0llie said..
m.facebook.com/groups/566833633334697/permalink/26172315869026455/?mibextid=Nif5oz

Seems a good buy, hope to see more deals in 2024

Interesting vent above the heads compartment. Looks like it might be just slipped on for harbour use. Can't see it in the sailing shots.

There are a lot of good deals about already and I should imagine the second hand market for yachts will continue to fall on the same lines as collector cars!

Not a boat, but this boom and main from a Bene 43 looks like good value. Probably worth it just for the boom !

www.facebook.com/groups/566833633334697/posts/26142643345327041

That's lot of boat for the money! I went motoring on one once to check on the propeller performance. It seemed like big boat. My old boss in the navy was part of the team responsible for buying the navy boats.

Bananabender said..
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/swarbrick-s111/305198
Could be interesting for the right person .

Yes, your spot on... Nice sleek boat..
Great cruising the Whitsunday's, but not too far offshore.. Well spotted..Cheers

JonE said..
OK panel, what do you think of this: mail.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/adams-radford-adams-radford-12-2m/277704

Nice interior, good safety spec, all the safety ** to go coastal racing. Why has it got the "money pit" vibe.

That screams money pit to me as well. That lifting keel. Eek.

I like the look of this one which is in a similar category . There was one of these that did a lot of the offshore racing out of Sydney I really like them.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/j-boats-j-35-cruiser-racer-performance-yacht/304993

BeamReach said..

Bananabender said..
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/swarbrick-s111/305198
Could be interesting for the right person .

Yes, your spot on... Nice sleek boat..
Great cruising the Whitsunday's, but not too far offshore.. Well spotted..Cheers

Galatea delivered back from clipper Cup in the early 80s with a cyclone along the way

Jarkan 10.5 in pretty good shape

www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/bonny-hills/sail-boats/yacht-jarkan-10-5-centre-cockpit-/1320346852

p3p4p5 said..
Mike Pococks design for a clean simple boat philosophy always appealed to me. There was an extensive writeup in Yachting monthly many moons ago. I am not sure if if this was Mike Pocock's boat or a sistership.

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/mike-pocock-design-blackjack/217382

Basically he wanted a simple, stable, fast easy handling yacht for 2 with a full shower stall with minimal clutter and weight. All good common sense concepts when he proposed his ideas for a simple low maintenance boat.

Nice boat even though it's a little expensive for most people. It is always a little annoying that people who spend all this money on boats can't spend a few bucks on a decent camera! For an expensive yacht ad, those photos are extremely poor.

lydia said..

BeamReach said..

Bananabender said..
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/swarbrick-s111/305198
Could be interesting for the right person .

Yes, your spot on... Nice sleek boat..
Great cruising the Whitsunday's, but not too far offshore.. Well spotted..Cheers

Galatea delivered back from clipper Cup in the early 80s with a cyclone along the way

Did the '93 Melbourne to Hobart on an S111. One of only a handful to finish the race that year. Great boat offshore, not just a Whitsundays cruiser

JonE said..
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/farr-1104/305823

This looks pretty turn-key as they say...

Late build date for that model. Strange to have a fixed prop. No pics of engine or deck.

lydia said..
Rumbeat is also for sale and has 115AVS for last Westcoaster

Now that is turn-key - cat 2 ready!

Ramona said..

JonE said..
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/farr-1104/305823

This looks pretty turn-key as they say...

Nice boat. Not sure about the cast iron keel. The 1104 seems to have several variations of everything! After sailing the local 37 I would certainly buy one. Some good reading here.
www.sailnet.com/threads/farr-1104-as-a-cruising-liveaboard.332330/

I really should try and sail an ior boat in a blow because this stuff is exactly why I don't want one, but it may all be outweighed by the ability to have a hot shower and a cooked meal for under 50K :)

From the article:

so maybe some other bad IOR traits are missing too. IOR and wet is one such trait. This is because the rule favored boats that were narrow forward. This one looks pretty narrow. Pounding in head seas is another. Many IOR boats have flat sections forward of the keel which pound when they get hit by waves, because designers were trying to fool the rule. IOR boats tend also to be beamy, because they need crew weight out on the rail to keep them flat. The beamy midsections tend to make them "squirrely" downwind, as the immersed hull shape gets weird.

Most of the criticism of IOR boats in breeze are from dickheads who have never done it.
Having sailed most types of boats, in a different thread i think I posted my favourite boat as for heavy air.

Funnily enough a Farr 1104 has over of the best cockpits for adverse conditions but that was 1981!

and it must be remembered that the IOR rule slowed boats down so you had to press really hard in breeze downhill and things would get very loose but you learnt a lot and newer boats are a doodle.

Or as explained to me once, at the bottom of a big waves just shut your eyes and steer the keel back under the tip of the rig!

That part still works.

It is pity offshore keel boat racing is now such a cluster **** and populated by ****wits.

Ramona said..

p3p4p5 said..
Mike Pococks design for a clean simple boat philosophy always appealed to me. There was an extensive writeup in Yachting monthly many moons ago. I am not sure if if this was Mike Pocock's boat or a sistership.

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/mike-pocock-design-blackjack/217382

Basically he wanted a simple, stable, fast easy handling yacht for 2 with a full shower stall with minimal clutter and weight. All good common sense concepts when he proposed his ideas for a simple low maintenance boat.

Nice boat even though it's a little expensive for most people. It is always a little annoying that people who spend all this money on boats can't spend a few bucks on a decent camera! For an expensive yacht ad, those photos are extremely poor.

Yep, people selling something for this price with such crap photos are always trying to be deceptive or are trying to hide something. The worst listings are those that show a picture of a sister ship. Its incredible how stupid people can be, especially brokers who try and play their games of tricks. It is on the expensive side for sure

JonE said..

I really should try and sail an ior boat in a blow because this stuff is exactly why I don't want one, but it may all be outweighed by the ability to have a hot shower and a cooked meal for under 50K :)

From the article:

so maybe some other bad IOR traits are missing too. IOR and wet is one such trait. This is because the rule favored boats that were narrow forward. This one looks pretty narrow. Pounding in head seas is another. Many IOR boats have flat sections forward of the keel which pound when they get hit by waves, because designers were trying to fool the rule. IOR boats tend also to be beamy, because they need crew weight out on the rail to keep them flat. The beamy midsections tend to make them "squirrely" downwind, as the immersed hull shape gets weird.

One thing that the post you quoted ignores is basic geometry. Some IOR boats were flat forward to maximise the forward depth measurements - but a shape that is flat when measured when the boat is upright becomes angled when the boat is heeled when sailing upwind.

If one looks at modern non-IOR boats one sees that they are no skinnier than IOR boats, generally. Compare the Farr 1104 with the Farr Beneteau 36.7 (not an IOR boat) or the current Benny 36. The 1104 is 11.92 ft beam; the 36.7 is 11.33ft wide; the current 36 is 12'6". A Catalina 375 is 13ft in beam. The J/35, just 6" shorter overall than the 1104, is 11.8ft in beam. The J/112 is 11.8. The Pogo 36 is 13.1 beam. So the 1104 is fairly standard in beam.

The guy who wrote the post you quoted claimed that the late IOR boats had tiny mains. That's rubbish. By the late IOR era, fractional rigs with large mains (larger than those of many IMS/IRC boats in proportion) were almost universal.

The IOR boats of the 1104's era were designed for long offshore events, not for hanging around marinas. Arguably that's their major problems - the interiors were designed for seagoing rather than for sitting at anchor.