Did you forget the newest breed, being wider as you said, are mostly all tri and some quads?
And refined with big rears. Narrow hips,
widepoint forwards!
Not wide hips, or centered WPoints.

Hi seabreezer

I'm curious what it is about thrusters that enable faster rockers. Looking at a quad at the moment and its pretty quick. Just not as sure footed as a thruster. Not ridden a lot of quad but they feel looser to me.

You just nailed it there Seabreezer, " so many ways to turn that look sick"
Not so much right or wrong, just how you want it to be

Thx. I ask due to genuine interest.

What was the largest EVO, the one primary discussed, not the newer IQ?
i had a Angulo Amigu, that was similar , maybe a year newer than the EVO , I had both, 80liters or thereabouts.
the Amigu was really kool, converted to tri fin .See google images , Angulo Amigu, it's the one leaning against the shed.
less said about the EVO the better, it was a pretty shade of blue.
i also had the Tabou DaCurve 79 liter, long and narrow, single. The Angulo worked for me much better than the others.
im a real world sailer, I put on pants on 1 leg at a time, the only quality I have with Matt Prichard is when I fall in as does he, we both get wet.
thread has morphed from big wave board to the plus minus of 3 4 or 5 fin boxes.
my ?2, what ever that is.
twins don't get mentioned .
3 fins, the character can be changed by size, to feel like a twin, a 2+1 which equals a single( long center, short sides)
moderating the fin size , lesser or more in the fin cluster will alter . Trailing tri fin, which has inboard fronts, compared to a tri fin thruster configuration, had some play, mine is ok, but the board itself is not a good example as a test bed.
4 fins, more complicated , size larger rear, larger front , same size all 4, alters the character ,the feel.
given the choice , as I've had with 2 customs, the tri fin is my weapon of choice.
a Brian Cartwright custom from MAUI, bred to sail in Hood River a tri, 83l, sweet ride, very very light.
I had a Flikka, FSW 99, 5 boxes, rode more a tri than quad, spent too much time playing with fins, I finally said quad or tri for that day.
OTOH, I've a NAISH Titan, Freeride that I reshaped the nose, tail , removed powerbox. Installed slotbox rears, and ProBx surf boxes for a quad, also moved straps and mast track. This a $50 swap meet board , approx 92l, unreal performance.
ride it quad only, twin a possibility.
the board which I compare most to is a Witchcraft Chakra 88l, tri fin.this generation l, looks odd sails wonderful.
I have no use for 5 boxes.
i feel I can make a quad feel like a twin, a tri , to some degree, you can't alter the board itself, just its personality traits.
photos available , and been posted before.

Forgot to mention, and this is for LeeD especially, the one foot off tail measurements are wider on the Starboards than on the Quatros , but if I was dropping into a Hookipa wave, I would choose the Starboard.
Rocker, vee, rail foil, blablabla
The times they are a changing.

I had a Starboard Evo 92 from 2005/2006 ish, same shape as the board in this picture. Was absolutely brilliant. I kept it as my go to board until the Quatro Cubes came out in 2013 ish.

LeeD said..
What about the hip where the front strap lies?
Or the centered WidePt making the hip outline curve even more drastic?
Causing great low speed short radius turns to help you ride your slow moving weak waves.
Specialized board for slow moving waves.

Ive sailed 4 starboard quads alot previously ... They would have wide point at mid , and hip curve .... They were pretty intuitive imo - way more intuitive in response to some other production boards I wont name ( that had less hip curve incidently / straighter sections of rail and that wavesailed pretty bad imo) ... I would be pretty happy having starby quads in my quiver ... There's some instances Ive found say riding mast hi waves - and slightly underpowered - in VERY SIDESHORE waves - the type of conditions where the wind in your sail disappears fast at your bottom turn entry ... where on a narrower tail you start losing speed quick (particulary on a point reef break - ie all the action is close and you cant gun DTL ) ... not so much of a problem in smaller waves as you can turn tight and quick to offset ... but on bigger say mast high faces - the board loses drive to claw back up - this is an area where say Wider squashtail and bit of hip width is really beneficial ... to keep driving back up a big wave with EASE and have enough speed and power to execute a powerful topturn ... And starboard quads were particularly good at this - keep plowing straight back up at that uphill lip ... As soon as the bend kinks a few degrees off this total sideshore - then you can generate apparant wind and get speed easy on narrower tails .. But again - the traits you list Lee'D can be very beneficial in big surf ... And I can see Margaret river DNA in the starboard quads - ie Very sideshore and often big surf ..

Ive also sailed the starboard 77 quad - and have to say in smaller Half mast or less - sideshore conditions - was a dream - almost unbeatable performance - incredibly fun , reactive , intuitive , good arc varaibility and radical off the top in its response WITHOUT being random / unpredictable (again like some other brand production waveboards that I just do not like fullstop) ....

Squash tails and wider hips have their place ... all angles of wind (side-on , side , side off ) ... and below halfmast conditions they can rip ... ! (not just slow weak onshore waves as you assert ) Whats the big deal ? - in the surfboard world there's millions of boards designed to rip hard in below head and half etc ... and give ultra responsive performance ... then surfers switch to another model for bigger surf ...

Just maybe LeeD , if you had had a wider tailed waveboard - your sessions at PSC would have been WAAAAY more productive and fun ( ie add drive to the tail to offset the softer wave power) ,.... and you wouldn't have had to drive all those extra km's to P Abreojos and act like such a Hero .. just a thought ...

LeeD said..
You can't be so blind to miss my saying the Evo is a very good board for PSC.
The Evo is very good for PSC, a slow incoming soft, but fast peeling mushy wave.

So why didnt you save the km's , and take an Evo to PSC ? ...

I did miss you saying that - you were saying always onshore mushy wave ? .

And in answer to the question you NEVER had the knowledge or NOUS to answer - in 1999 , Mark Nelson made Nik Baker an experimental proto for the Punta San Carlos PWA event .... Everyone at the time was riding 255's .... Mark Nelson's proto was 235 ! compact design - wider tail , probably bit of extra v etc , Nik Baker finished 2nd place to JP in 1st ... I would argue that board , along with say starby fish - were the first true compact boards ... Then starboard were first to go volume production with a compact shape EVO quite a few years later ...

So what looks more like the evolutionary link here LeeD to current day ? ....
The extremely narrow pintail 75ltr x 54 cm x 248 ish - 2003 ish - pin nose ... , with 3 feet of pintail hanging out
or the evo 2005 ish , 235 ish x ?? 56.5 ish ... wider nose , backstrap rear , wider hips and rear of board

Ooooh - that goya looks a bit curvy in that hip area to me - that will not handle those epic waves of ... better get KT on the phone tell him to get that line to the dumpster quick

Seabreezer,
nice 3 photo , evolution.
i am not going to answer for lee, he seems quite capable to answer, ( notice I said nothin about content )
the Goya , or any equivalent newer board say 2015 onward I have not ridden. I'm getting old and sick, I have far too many boards already. I always felt both Quatro and Goya were mostly MAUI oriented designs, their larger FSW boards did compare well to others. The Quatro freestyle custom I had , was a far cry from my Skate, or my JP freestyle, both I still have 105 and JP 93.
i didn't like my EVO, 74, there I said it. Starboard has innovative stuff on occasion, they also do stupid things.
They dropped the Carve series, they did bring it back, the first quad fin boxes were a joke. The wood on most decks did not hold up, the Evil Twin , lasted but one yet, succeeded by the quad mentioned above,very good board as were its successors. I ve had a lot of Starboard, and Tabou boards. My current stuff is mostly custom boards,MOO Custom, NELSON, Brian Cartwright, Witchy, and my own creations.
from the Rocky Mountains , 7 degree F, with snow, self isolation due to covid19. Hope to sail sometime this year.
cheers.

Seabreezer....
Look at outline of 2020 JP Rad Wave.
Influenced by AUSSIE.

If your head hurts, STOP doing what makes it hurt.
OTOH, if you can't see that every company makes a WidePt. forward narrow hip wave board for real wave sailing, you're excused.
And phasing out those wide hip snappy tuning boards.

LeeD said..
If your head hurts, STOP doing what makes it hurt.
OTOH, if you can't see that every company makes a WidePt. forward narrow hip wave board for real wave sailing, you're excused.
And phasing out those wide hip snappy tuning boards.

Look away NOW Stehsegler !

Agreed ... best for real wavesailing .... duh

And rearward widepoint - more hipped -best for REAL WORLD wavesailing ...

You SOLE argument was Evo was a big mis-step and DNA had vanished / banned from windsurf design (pushing a bad product blah blah ) ... and doesnt affect anything these days ... then you concede wider tailed boards actually good for PSC !!! what !!! , and now your saying - oh , now Im talking solid wavesailing boards , ... - you talk a load of S%$t ... Here's another example of wide point back (evo DNA inspired) , hipped design (evo dna outlines ) for REAL WORLD WAVESAILING - windsurf mag test and say 'thoroughbred' wave board ... the tabou team make it look pretty good even at hookipa ... but a fkn idiot would know dacurve goes better there .... (pat yourself on the back LeeD ... )

So "real world waves" means mushy slow Aussie waves. And PSC, and SPID.