southace said..

Chris249 said..
That depends on the individual, surely. I'm not in the market for a Dunc 37 but I find Emma to be much more attractive than the usual D37 and many of us prefer an aft cockpit boat with the flush foredeck to a centre cockpit one with a long cabin trunk and narrower sidedecks.

After rebuilding from keel to mast tip a dunc 37 and living and cruising for 7 years I would have to disagree that the non raised decks are more attractive and practical. The raised deck version was designed for cruising in mind and many circumnavigated. There are only a few dunc 37 around that took the 35 deck and cabin arangment and I think that was prior to the raised deck so most of them are pre 80s

I didn't say the Emma type deck was more attractive - I said that I find it more attractive. That's a personal aesthetic judgement and if you prefer the look of the standard deck that's great - to my eye I prefer the other one.

Similarly, I tend to prefer a different style of deck layout as a practical matter for my type of sailing and style of sailing. I specifically said that it was a personal choice. That doesn't mean that any other deck is inferior, it's just what I like. As you said, the raised deck version was for cruising (although I thought it was the first version???) and I'm not a specialist cruiser so I don't want a specialist cruising boat. If you do, that's great, but it's just down to personal choice and desires.

It's the same as the fact that some people like a station wagon and some prefer a sportscar, some like white wine and some like beer, and some like a trendy inner-city flat and some like a house in the suburbs - different strokes for different folks. Your boat looks very nice but it wouldn't be my personal choice just as you wouldn't choose mine.

Bundeenabuoy said..
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/peterson-46-sloop/236695

How many crew to sail this?

Reading the ad, they seem to think only one.
Until you get to docking that is, it would be interesting being solo with that amount of windage.
No bow thruster I assume?

Jolene said..

MagicCarpet2 said..

Hi Ramona,

Quick question. As my boat has a sugar scoop stern (Hunter 356) and is accessed through the centre is it possible offset mount a windvane ? Or would it need to be on a hinged system to swing sideways to allow access.

The Aries No 5 would possibly be a fair choice of windvane for a sugar scoop. The original ones have 4 struts that connect to a transom with a ball and socket arrangement.
The wind vane can be removed in less than a few minutes with no tools or just the working mechanism can be removed leaving the struts and mount platform,, again with no tools and less than a minute.

Thanks Jolene. Food for thought.

psychomub said..
They don't get much more interesting than this:

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/port-macquarie/sail-boats/police-car-yacht/1225894762?edited=true

What could you do?

$500k+ to get back into full race trim and competitive? Plus experienced crew to drive her.

$200k+ to make her a reasonable club racer?

$100k+ to make her a basic cruiser.



A big, expensive hole in the water whichever way you look at it... It's a shame, but that's reality.

Much depends on what you intend to do for an interior. Police Car is a very similar build to my mates Cole 42 which came with a basic interior. He did a fair amount of alloy welding to return her back to her race set up. Stripped the hull and left her in bare alloy. stripped the spars and left them bare and polished. Bought new working sails in a cruising laminate[8 grand]. All new halyards and reefing lines back to the cockpit. Kept the existing winches etc. Not counting the costs of slipping and antifouling which we all have to do he has spent about 10 grand. He has however spent a lot of hours and has the skills to do everything. His boat has an alloy lead filled keel. I would be curious what Police car's keel set up is.


I should add that after reading the blog on Police car where it states the front panels suffered from stretch after being driven hard in heavy seas she is unlikely to be a candidate for being left in bare alloy.

It's funny people think they can increase the sail area on Swanson believing it will preform better, when Ron Swanson was a mathematician ?

jbear said..
It's funny people think they can increase the sail area on Swanson believing it will preform better, when Ron Swanson was a mathematician ?

No, just on the 28, as the high freeboard area is large compared to the sail area.

psychomub said..

jbear said..
It's funny people think they can increase the sail area on Swanson believing it will preform better, when Ron Swanson was a mathematician ?

Surely light weather performance will improve with more sail area.

Or if the optimum sail area was mathematically reduced to perform better under a particularly set of rules.

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jbear said..
It's funny people think they can increase the sail area on Swanson believing it will preform better, when Ron Swanson was a mathematician ?

I think you'll find he was a boatbuilder who was good at maths, not a professional mathematician. But the boats of his time were developed largely around the RORC rating rule and winning races in strong winds with old-style sails, which were hard to keep flat in strong winds. That sort of factor meant that most designers, and especially Australian designers, put much smaller rigs on their boats than we use today now that we have different rules and different sailcloth and rigs. Just about all Australian boats of Ron's time were under-rigged compared to modern boats and to overseas boats of their time, and they often suffered because of it in light winds.

jbear said..
The Swanson 28 isn't a motorsailer never was. It was a request from a guy who approached Swansons and wanted a small compact, roomy cruising yacht similar design to the 42 and that is what it is. The idea they are slow is laughable? sail them like any full keel yacht and they sail well. No, they won't point as high as a fin keel, but they weren't designed too.
Yachts a buyers guide has a little bit about Swansons - www.boatsales.com.auional

The owner of the one for sale in caringbah has done a truck load of NM in his yet the engine only has 600 hrs on it, hardly indicative of a motorsailer. The existing engine was in it when he purchased it in Queensland years ago.

I have pulled both Magic Carpet and a Swanson 28 off sandbars and I know what they are like!

what is the big deal with running backstays on a cruising yacht?
My Swanson 38 has them and its never been a problem.

jbear said..
what is the big deal with running backstays on a cruising yacht?
My Swanson 38 has them and its never been a problem.

I'm putting check stays in mine soon with a new inner stay. I can't see the problem.
I'm anticipating some heavy weather sailing in my future.

Ramona said..

SandS said..


just read the ad ....... this boat has just moved into first place as bargain of the month !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great pocket cruiser for someone !!

No. Magic Carpets old Swanson 32 that just sold on Ebay for 6 grand with a mooring is the the bargain. Swanson 28's are motor sailers with a lot of wetted area. They are meant to have the engine ticking over when the wind is light.

Just noticed Magic Carpet still on Yacht hub and reduced to $10K !

MagicCarpet2 said..

Ramona said..

SandS said..


just read the ad ....... this boat has just moved into first place as bargain of the month !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great pocket cruiser for someone !!

No. Magic Carpets old Swanson 32 that just sold on Ebay for 6 grand with a mooring is the the bargain. Swanson 28's are motor sailers with a lot of wetted area. They are meant to have the engine ticking over when the wind is light.

Just noticed Magic Carpet still on Yacht hub and reduced to $10K !

Thats because he just discovered the engine had seized.

UncleBob said..

Ramona said..
Police Car ad has some good new photos.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/port-macquarie/sail-boats/police-car-yacht/1225894762

Better pics but still needs $100,000 to make her a cruiser, probably $200,000 to return her to a competitive boat so not cheap.

Nobody would should have to spend more than $50k on her to turn her into a hot shot cruiser/club racer.

Internally she just needs a good galley with fridge, a good shower/head, a good double berth with nav station for the permanent crew and fill the rest of the boat up with pipe berths and sail storage and the racing crew.

Imagine the fast ocean passages you could do with a Greyhound like that.