[b]CJW said...
Yeah, they won freestyle world championships.....>_>

Yep. Bjorn the first one, Albeau in 2001, Pritchard in 2002. (Josh stone in 1999, 2000)

barn said...

174 said...

[b]CJW said...
Yeah, they won freestyle world championships.....>_>

Yep. Bjorn the first one, Albeau in 2001, Pritchard in 2002. (Josh stone in 1999, 2000)

lol

heh, yeah *not sure if serious*. Well their 2002 grade freestyle was still better freestyle than 99% of us ten years on . unfortunately

FormulaNova said...

Jezstrt said...

Does barn sail, I thought he was just sponsored to bag Neil Pryde on the forums..

Nah, he's an Ezzy team rider, with Kevin Pritchard.

He bags them out, just to seem impartial.

I'm flattered that my witticisms appear deserving of sponsorship! haha

Alas, it's all just freelance fun.. Nothing like a ruse to pass the time while waiting for my epoxy disasters to cure..

As an observation, Ezzy sailors don't get anywhere near as upset as Pryde Hards, who have yet to develop such thick skin from years of abuse..

Neilpryde = Nickelback

Ezzy = ummm Lionel Richie?

barn said...

FormulaNova said...

Jezstrt said...

Does barn sail, I thought he was just sponsored to bag Neil Pryde on the forums..

Nah, he's an Ezzy team rider, with Kevin Pritchard.

He bags them out, just to seem impartial.

I'm flattered that my witticisms appear deserving of sponsorship! haha

Alas, it's all just freelance fun.. Nothing like a ruse to pass the time while waiting for my epoxy disasters to cure..

As an observation, Ezzy sailors don't get anywhere near as upset as Pryde Hards, who have yet to develop such thick skin from years of abuse..

Neilpryde = Nickelback

Ezzy = ummm Lionel Richie?

Hey - Lionel Richie? Woo hoo! I am trendy again!

Seriously though, a lot of people go in for how pretty a sail looks, and nothing more. How many people do you know that try a sail before they actually buy it?


From what I have seen, people look at a sail, and then commit. How else can you explain people upgrading their quiver each year, assuming that the new sails are better.

Me, I am trying an Ezzy again. I rigged, for the first time, an Infinity on the RDM it is meant for, and was surprised at how much better it was than when I rigged it on another brands SDM.

Of course, even if it sails badly, I will come up with some justification...

evlPanda said...

FormulaNova said...

Seriously though, a lot of people go in for how pretty a sail looks, and nothing more. How many people do you know that try a sail before they actually buy it?

From what I have seen, people look at a sail, and then commit. How else can you explain people upgrading their quiver each year, assuming that the new sails are better.

So why do people still buy Pryde? They look like a homeless dog's breakfast regurgitated and eaten again for breakfast these days.

Simple they've been in the industry from the day dot, developed some good inovations and have stayed in the industry unlike other brands which have fallen to the wayside......in saying that they are pricing themselves out of the market.

barn said...
An example of R&D was Kauli and the Boxer at Naish.. They let him loose and he built what he wanted, not what the accountants told him they could sell... You don't need a million dollar R&D operation to build good stuff, you just need ideas and the skills to apply them..

Yup... and not one but Kauli could actually sail with it. I am sorry but the Boxer was the biggest turd of a sail on the market.

When making such big, instant changes to a sail layout you're bound to miss the mark on many fronts. Point was they did it, with probably two guys and an email address for the prototype factory in China..

So while the Gen 1 Boxer may not have been amazing, it was still a notable sail, and farking cool.. The later ones before he left were better..

So to compare the 1st Boxer with the current Fly2 is unfair, you'd be best comparing the last Boxer to the first Fly.

But even this wouldn't be fair because the Fly was aimed at a different market, it would have been dumbed down so the the punter could sail it in a straight line..

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Another example then, the Skinny mast, you don't need a massive R&D budget to develop a RDM... Yet, how many years after everybody went to skinnys did it take for Pryde to even build one? And they still don't make Skinny specific sails...

And they don't even put the weights of their sails on the website.

barn said...
And they don't even put the weights of their sails on the website.

neither does simmer and a few others.

aus301 said...

stehsegler said...

barn said...
And they don't even put the weights of their sails on the website.

neither does simmer and a few others.

hhahahaaa... Thats the sort of argument I have with my 3yr old. "Son why didn't you do what I asked", "Johnny didn't" Still don't make it right.

well... the reason why they don't tell you the weight is mostly because of variations in production. If someone announces something like our sails weigh 3.43 kgs I would very much doubt the actual weight is accurate down to 30 grams. I am guessing the tolerance could be as much as 5% maybe even higher. Especially the new printing technique applied to sails must have big variations.

Perhaps it's a legal issue... I know in some markets like the US making statements on your web site mean you actually have to honour them in the product you sell.

Speaking of printing technique. I want to see a manufacturer release a custom range where I can print my own designs. How awesome would that be.

aus301 said...
Tolerance of 5% on 3.43kg is only 17grams.

Hmmm... is that the argument you have with your kid

If you sail a Pryde you have got a heavier sail already

Biggest move of the season though might be the fast breaking news that Carantoc will be moving from Mrs Macs to Four N'Twenty for 2012

OH GOD I would NEVER want to put sail weights on a website!

I think last year at Point-7 we got the factory to weigh our sails then wrote in a "blog post" only that our new race sails would be 1kg lighter ... turns out the guys in Sri Lanka measured wrong and they ranged from about 250-750g lighter. Literally got FLAMED all over our website for about 3 months with people calling us LIARS... hahaha. It's too complicated to be accurate because you are trusting the guys at the factory to weigh your sails, not you yourself. They might even be using cheap scales that aren't accurate!

The only way to really be accurate is to wait till the first production run gets in to stock at your head office and WEIGH THEM YOURSELF. But everyone wants the weights 3 months before production finishes to make a decision before they pre-order...arggghh.

That being said, we still took the risk and listed weights of our custom race sails - point-7.com/

stehsegler said...
Speaking of printing technique. I want to see a manufacturer release a custom range where I can print my own designs. How awesome would that be.

PS, we'll have a custom wave sail available next year ... unfortunately no custom graphics but you can have custom sail numbers screen printed on. They will be between 1kg and 6kg lighter than any sail on the market (+/- 80%)

5% of 3.43Kg is 171.5g not 17g

3430g x 0.05= 171



wieght is not everything! is 1/2 a kilo really worth sacrificing durability, especially when some wave sails from the big name brands are nearly a grand.
give me something that will take a beating! mind you i do eat sh!t a lot.

How huch paint do they put on the prydes-
2 coats of undercoat,3 coats of colour then 2 coats of sealer /gloss?
I can't believe you think the printed graphics add significant weight.

Pryde simply uses thicker/heavier materials because they don't want warranty claims.Sails being returned cost them money and their shareholders want profit.
Wasn't JP using black tinted fibreglass which the customers just presumed was carbon?do they still?

Gaastra's new freestyle sail ,the PURE ,has lots of printed graphics. The pink on them fades very quickly and has nearly dissapeared after a couple of months.Does this mean that it gets significantly lighter and performs better with age?