2010 wave sailing nationals???????

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nebbian
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14 Mar 2009 4:20pm
If it's at spot x, parking might be a bit of an issue...
dan berry
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14 Mar 2009 5:58pm
stehsegler said...

dan berry said...
In a way Ide love to go just to find out where the spot actually is, no one would ever tell me[}:)]


Well, if you'd stop calling me fat I'd tell you were it is...

RE the issue of none Australian sailors entering the comp... I remember Volwater entering the '95 Nats... I think he came 2nd in the pro category but wasn't eligible to claim the prize because... you guessed he isn't actually Australian. Non the less it did seem to elevate the level of competition.

However, I do think it's rather lame that a number of people from the WA contingent always seems get very focal about holding the comp in WA but then cansorry't be asked to show up when the comp is held somewhere else.




Sorry, your not that fat.
I stand corrected though. I remember a few times when non Australians
Have entered the event but not held an official result in the titles. As far as
location goes maybe kotp could post a map?
Do you still need a 4wd to get in there?





stehsegler
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WA
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14 Mar 2009 10:15pm
well... given that Spot X is probably the worst kept secret on the west coast here we go... it's basically a kilometer or so South from Corronation. You will need to pass through private land to get there which could proof a problem if you actually want to hold a comp there...

4WD or rental car... either will do fine...

On a different note, you see this is the problem with people holding on so tightly to their oh so secret sailing locations. Once the big bad corporations move in to build a ship loading facility you have f..k all chance to claim a social impact as few people have seen your oh so secret spot let alone have sailed there.
westhammer
westhammer
WA
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14 Mar 2009 11:15pm
So wot ya sayin stegs???? are you gonna rumble in the jungle for a chance to get involved in a world known brake that is under invation by the chinese ,for a fkn once in a life time opportunity and have your say stegs???
asdmuzak
asdmuzak
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15 Mar 2009 5:46am
Look, Getting into the spot will not be an issue, we've got it covered, as for Euro's in the Ozzie titles, No way.

The Ozzie titles are meant to be for amateurs not pro's , and not Euro's.

The whole point if i remember correctly is that it is a chance for amateur's to be able to get to that next level.

The whole Voltwater issue at the last WA Oz Nationals was a farce in our opinion Glenn ALexander was the real Ozzyy title holder as 1) Voltwater was a ****ing Euro and 2) Mc Kercher was still on the Pro tour, that **** didnt add up.

So thats why we raised the amateur angle.


If were gonna have pro's lets invite the best sailor in the world, Jason Polakow.

Again we are trying to get it in gero and thats where the gero crew are at.

im up for opinions and the like and its Australia's comp not just the WA crew.

Anyway im just one cat saying my **** hope noone goes into cardiac arrest.

Virgins.
nutbag
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15 Mar 2009 6:28am
asdmuzak said...


The Ozzie titles are meant to be for amateurs not pro's


Incorrect.
The Aussie titles are open to ALL Aussies.
Thats why they're called the aussie titles, not the "Aussie titles for sailors who aren't that good".

Sure we all mutter under our breath about how nice it would be if no one good turns up so we can have a half-arsed shot at glory, but if you want the real picture, then as many aussie sailors as possible should turn up. That includes Polakow, McKercher, etc.

Look at other sports. Grant Hackett and Ian Thorpe always turned up to their State titles. Imagine being some promising young 16 year old who busted their arse to get to the state titles (which actually means something in some sports!) and then one of those 2 big freaks stands on the blocks next to you.
It becomes a race for 3rd place (Thorpe/Hackett 1st, daylight 2nd), but its all legit.

Personally I'd love to see the likes of Polakow and co turn up, just to see them sail if nothing else. I'd rather have a crack at it and know I'm #100 than have just 2 average sailors turn up and call myself #1.

If you're not as good as someone else, accept it. Don't find reasons as to why they should be denied entry. Especially in a sport as small as windsurfing.

my 2 cents

dan berry
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15 Mar 2009 8:45am
there is actually a mandate that dictates all the rules and such for the nationals, and Ive never seen anything about pros or amateurs. If you look at the past winners youll find a large chunk are pros. I dont know why youde be concerned.
dan berry
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15 Mar 2009 8:48am
forgot to ask, is someone/ assoc actually organising this or is it a hyperthetical?
qwerty
qwerty
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15 Mar 2009 10:57am
dan berry said...

forgot to ask, is someone/ assoc actually organising this or is it a hyperthetical?


For an event that doesn't exist yet, its certainly generated a lot of publicity. Big tick for the marketing crew so far.

As for the pros, the best marketing tool any windsurfing comp can have is to have a pro attending. Who would want to discourage this?
If I knew these guys personally, I would have already been on the phone to them.
Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
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15 Mar 2009 9:05am
"just some info here, at the m/river event a great location and we had great conds
Just read the write up.
There were more euros in the comp than AUSTRALIANS WTF
It took a lot of time from john g to get this comp happening and the locals ie WA wave sailors don’t even turn up???"

Spot 1 - unfortunately the margs comp (and the nationals) happened at the same time as the Starboard and Severne photo and video shoots were being held over here in epic conditions. A large core of the WA contingent is involved with these and this had a real impact on the ability for these crew to attend those events - bit of a bugger really.. but the boys would have been at these events if not for this scheduling clash.

It certainly wasnt due to lack of interest.
dan berry
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15 Mar 2009 9:29am
qwerty said...

dan berry said...

forgot to ask, is someone/ assoc actually organising this or is it a hyperthetical?


For an event that doesn't exist yet, its certainly generated a lot of publicity. Big tick for the marketing crew so far.

As for the pros, the best marketing tool any windsurfing comp can have is to have a pro attending. Who would want to discourage this?
If I knew these guys personally, I would have already been on the phone to them.


this particular debate (how to get pros to the nationals) was going on when i went to my first nat titles in 92. Basically the reasons are the same, if you are professional, as in you make your living from the sport, why would you attend if there was no financial benefit from doing so. Thats just the nuts and bolts of the problem. If they arent getting paid in prize money or sponsors arent paying them to go, they might as well stay at home.
Im a landscaper by trade, I wouldnt fly to WA to dig a hole for free, so why would we expect them to do so. Thats just life I guess

peto
peto
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15 Mar 2009 11:43am
I know it's very early days, but is there any chance some dates could be locked in? I know the month of January is mentioned. Something specific would help with getting off work etc...

It would be great to see pros at this comp and enter it. To say 'no' to Pros sailing in it is stupid and very negaitve towards our minimal sport.
dan berry
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15 Mar 2009 9:52am
you goin over peto?
peto
peto
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15 Mar 2009 11:56am
Possibly. I really need to know the dates first up. If all good dates/money i would say definately. I think MA is keen aswell. You?
dan berry
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15 Mar 2009 10:00am
Nah, comps are gay.
peto
peto
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15 Mar 2009 12:06pm
Well....
dan berry
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WA
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15 Mar 2009 10:12am
Yea probably want to go. We have little baby now so probably have To go alone
Haven't been to wa in years so looking foward to going over provided the
" global economic crisis" doesn't swallow us up. How the season been up
Your way?
nobbie
nobbie
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15 Mar 2009 11:37am
dan berry said...

Nah, comps are gay.


That would make you very gay then.
dan berry
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15 Mar 2009 12:57pm
I'll take that as a compliment nob
qwerty
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15 Mar 2009 3:30pm
dan berry said...

qwerty said...

dan berry said...

forgot to ask, is someone/ assoc actually organising this or is it a hyperthetical?


For an event that doesn't exist yet, its certainly generated a lot of publicity. Big tick for the marketing crew so far.

As for the pros, the best marketing tool any windsurfing comp can have is to have a pro attending. Who would want to discourage this?
If I knew these guys personally, I would have already been on the phone to them.


this particular debate (how to get pros to the nationals) was going on when i went to my first nat titles in 92. Basically the reasons are the same, if you are professional, as in you make your living from the sport, why would you attend if there was no financial benefit from doing so. Thats just the nuts and bolts of the problem. If they arent getting paid in prize money or sponsors arent paying them to go, they might as well stay at home.
Im a landscaper by trade, I wouldnt fly to WA to dig a hole for free, so why would we expect them to do so. Thats just life I guess




Totally agree Dan. I meant more along the lines of the pros choosing to go, especially if they live where the comp is being held. When that happens, its good exposure for no effort. Would be strange if anyone thought that as a bad thing.
dan berry
dan berry
WA
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15 Mar 2009 2:58pm
I know what you mean. I thought you weretalking about overseas pros
attending. But from memory they do generally show up
if it's handy to them, Eg scotty attended lancelin and peter
Allen attended Queensland, past that I can't think of any other
true professionals in Australia ecluding grubby.
But as ballbag said " it is the autralian wavesailing titles",
not the Australian amateur wavesailian titles. The more and
the better the merrier I reckon.
aus301
aus301
QLD
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15 Mar 2009 4:26pm
dan berry said...

peter Allen attended Queensland


Peter Allen??? Really, and did we all go to rio???

hang on isn't he dead??

dan berry
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WA
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15 Mar 2009 3:46pm
steve allen, i said steve allen, peters' his uncle.
nobbie
nobbie
WA
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15 Mar 2009 4:14pm
peter allen? I was only kidding about you being gay but now im not so sure.
Ben Severne
Ben Severne
WA
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15 Mar 2009 6:42pm
Isn't the idea of the Australian Wavesailing Titles being an amateur event just down to the fact that it doesn't have prize money??

Pretty ridiculous if you're not gonna have 'pros'. The definition of a 'pro windsurfer' is pretty loose at best.
Krusty
Krusty
NSW
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15 Mar 2009 11:18pm
Definately Pro sailors should be allowed to enter and win! It would be awesome to see a final between australias best professional sailors, could you imagine a better final. As for Euros or other nationalities if they turn up and want to compete then they should be allowed too, however if they arent or are allowed to take a title then they should be informed from the start, not at the end if an Aussie sailor gets beaten (this happened at queensland a couple of years ago which wasnt very fair).

Geraldton has my vote as the 2010 nationals destination, we were toying with the idea of having it in NSW if no-one else was keen to run it, but WA/Geraldton is a much better option, there would definately be a strong east coast contingent heading over
TerryNorth
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WA
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15 Mar 2009 9:45pm
Well I would say if you are a legal Aussie citizen, you get to compete. If you're not and you live here and want to compete in the nationals you basically have 10 months (or there abouts) to find some aussie skank / nob head and get married.

Amature, Pro, Call girl, Lapdancer...... Whatever you want to call yourself, who gives a toss in my opinion. Surely australian citizen is all that matters if it's going to be the Australian Titiles. If it's open to all countries, then we should rename it the Australian Open Wavesailing Titiles.



asdmuzak
asdmuzak
SA
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15 Mar 2009 11:22pm
Easy,
Have a Pro, Open and Euro Division, and then lets have a division of who can scruff the stinkiest Gero Scrag that can be, and bring her to the beach to let the boys decide.

asdmuzak
asdmuzak
SA
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15 Mar 2009 11:26pm
The Geraldton Windsurfing Club is all for this event as is the Chapman Valley Shire, as is the local shops and other various organisation in Geraldton.

Myself, King of the Point and the above mentioned are the driving force to get this going.

Lets just get something locked in so we can begin the boring **** of actually getting dates and the like locked in.


asdmuzak
asdmuzak
SA
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15 Mar 2009 11:32pm
This is the whole idea of a forum, so that the whole scene can decide what they want.

Keep this **** going.

If its in Gero it will go off.

Especially when you end up in the **** nightclubs fighting with the blacks like i was last night only to be dragged out by the bouncers and have another punch on in the car park..

**** you gotta love geraldton, sick sailing sicker nightlife.

Everyone's welcome.
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