the last few posts beg the question, are SUP and LBer's new to the sport or are they simply progressing to these options as the years advance? I get the whole "surf everything" mantra and understand how age can also dictate what craft you ride but surely an experienced "water person" can control these things plus has an awareness of surf etiquette.Learning to surf will always cause some issues to other water users but we need to be aware of the damage a larger bit of fibreglass will do to others, seems from some of the stories on this thread that this is not the case and that's not good enough. Not sure SB's are the one's that need to look at themselves.

Having spent years battling long boarders to get a wave on a short board at certain spots and now seeing SUP's added to the mix and grabbing everything they can I understand the frustrations.

But the reality is most short board riders are just as greedy.

I also have to do battle with the
"always have to be the inside surfer"
"just had one but didnt make it and because I didnt make it I want the next one surfer"
"I think I am better than you so I should get all the waves surfer"

Seriously when was the last time you passed a wave up to a stranger on the outside of you and told him it was his/her turn.

When you are paddling past someone after having got a wave do you take a mental note that even though you want to be deaper its that persons turn and give them the nod on the next wave.

Called a learner you didnt know into a wave ?

The reality is surfing sadly is a reflection of the worst of human behaviour which is greed and wanting as much as possible. LB's and SUP's are just getting more because they can.

Just like the better shortboarder who can sit deaper at a reef break generally will grab as many as they can because they can!

Remember the saying about people in glass houses ...

^^^
Likewise for me on Sunday...

Chatting to a couple of guys (who I did not know) who were clearly not getting as many waves and I just sat back a few times and said "yours - paddle!"...

To repay the favour those same blokes did not even lay flat when they saw me position for the set waves...

What goes around comes around.

Did get dropped in by a booger tho' - kid must have been about 12yo... let it be, but would have given him the word if he had even looked like doing it again.

GPA said...

^^^
Likewise for me on Sunday...

Chatting to a couple of guys (who I did not know) who were clearly not getting as many waves and I just sat back a few times and said "yours - paddle!"...

To repay the favour those same blokes did not even lay flat when they saw me position for the set waves...

What goes around comes around.

Did get dropped in by a booger tho' - kid must have been about 12yo... let it be, but would have given him the word if he had even looked like doing it again.

And when has there ever been agro when we have surfed together? Never, never seen it and never will I wouldnt think. GPA the bucket thrower

i thought goat boats went out in the 80's,SUP are a hazard-go to the river instead ****s

CMC said...

What do you guys do when you see someone on a SUP ripping harder than you do on your shortboard?

What would happen if you swapped boards and while you struggled to even stand to paddle the guy blew you out of the water on your own board?

What then huh? What then?

I will tell you when it happens.

It would happen to you every day around here.

Point is there are some bull**** generalizations written here. Only a kook would stick their head in the sand and think a shortboard is the appropriate board for every condition. Only a kook would think that everyone that rides a SUP is a kook. Plenty guys rip on short, longboard and SUP.

Then you get the 'I'd rather climb a rock' or something. Like that rationalizes the fact that if the waves arent good there's better things to do than go to the ocean... I'd argue that any time in the water on whatever you like makes the time when the waves are good even better. Don't let your ego and opinion of your own ability or whatever get in the way of enjoying yourself no matter what the equipment. If riding a bodyboard is fun for you do it..

LateStarter said...

CMC said...

What do you guys do when you see someone on a SUP ripping harder than you do on your shortboard?

How thick are you guys that you think this is a 'My board is better than your board' debate?

Because the argument here from 99% of posters is that all SUP riders are Kooks..... How thick are you to not have read that?

The point is that there are kooks on every craft. Many longboards are heavier, longer and have longer leashes than SUP, they would do more damage to more people and have been for years. But you can control them eh?

I'm in the mood for an argument anyway so keep 'em coming, you can be my afternoons entertainment.

LateStarter said...

CMC said...
I'm in the mood for an argument anyway so keep 'em coming, you can be my afternoons entertainment.

Hahaha.

Nice one. That's pretty good actually.

CMC said...

LateStarter said...

CMC said...

What do you guys do when you see someone on a SUP ripping harder than you do on your shortboard?

How thick are you guys that you think this is a 'My board is better than your board' debate?

Because the argument here from 99% of posters is that all SUP riders are Kooks..... How thick are you to not have read that?

The point is that there are kooks on every craft. Many longboards are heavier, longer and have longer leashes than SUP, they would do more damage to more people and have been for years. But you can control them eh?

I'm in the mood for an argument anyway so keep 'em coming, you can be my afternoons entertainment.

Cmon then big boy lets have this out

The only person I have ever seen rip on a SUP and Im not saying there are other people who rip the same but dogman is the best and Im told he shreds on a SB as well.
I like to SB and I dont go out when the swell is too small.
I dont live close to the beach 15-20mins away so Im not that interested in transporting 8-12' boards to the beach.
I dont get excited by small waves, chest high is the minimum for me and double head these days is the max depending on conditions.
If its massive I will sit and take pics or video or what ever.
If its too small I fix a board go rockclimbing or go for a swim.

If I wanted a SUP I would have one by now.
If anything I would buy a midlength for when its marginal.

Logical?

CMC said...

It would happen to you every day around here.

Point is there are some bull**** generalizations written here. Only a kook would stick their head in the sand and think a shortboard is the appropriate board for every condition. Only a kook would think that everyone that rides a SUP is a kook. Plenty guys rip on short, longboard and SUP.

Then you get the 'I'd rather climb a rock' or something. Like that rationalizes the fact that if the waves arent good there's better things to do than go to the ocean... I'd argue that any time in the water on whatever you like makes the time when the waves are good even better. Don't let your ego and opinion of your own ability or whatever get in the way of enjoying yourself no matter what the equipment. If riding a bodyboard is fun for you do it..

I couldn't agree more,all this bagging sup and longboarders is childish.

CMC said...

doggie said...

If I wanted a SUP I would have one by now.
If anything I would buy a midlength for when its marginal.

Logical?

It's logical mate, and I am not trying to tell anyone they should ride a SUP either, especially if you can already surf. My point is not to generalize, I read a whole bunch of sweeping statements and if anything that gets me off side.

I don't care what you ride, I don't care if you ride a low volumed 6'2 when you should be on a 6'8. I don't care if you're on a surf ski, a McDonalds tray, Fun, long or Alaia or whatever. It's meant to be fun. I just think when people get this shortboard or nothing thing and everything else are kooks it drives me nuts.

And sure there are beginners on SUP's and yes they can be dangerous. I don't know the solution to that either, I just know that casting aspersions over everyone just because they ride or even just sometimes surf on a SUP is kind of dumb.

That's all my point is. Like it or hate it or whatever.

The guys in the SUP forum generally bring it on themselves, Ive only had a few little jokes in there recently and tbh dont go in as much as I used too.
There is kooks on everything that floats or whatever.
I think this year Ive missed one weekend when I didnt surf because of the conditions, I could of if I had a SUP or LB but I dont and actually welcomed the time to do other things that I dont do when Im surfing.

That's all my point is. Like it or hate it or whatever.

i find as i get older and more mature the manifest aggression i used to feel at people riding different sorts of surf craft has been absorbed by my acceptance of the true zen and soul i now get from my surfing journey ....

no discrimination..... i pretty well hate all other people in the water equally now !!

Prawnhead said...

i find as i get older and more mature the manifest aggression i used to feel at people riding different sorts of surf craft has been absorbed by my acceptance of the true zen and soul i now get from my surfing journey ....

no discrimination..... i pretty well hate all other people in the water equally now !!

In my experience the greedy wave hogs comes back to age not what they are riding. Quite often they are in their teens or early twenties with energy to burn and snake inside everyone else.

Or they sit inside at a point break (and this applies to SB ers) duck diving the ones that break further inside and take off deeper than anyone else wants to sit, no prob there except they keep paddling out and sitting there all day.