shane450 said..
My opinion on La vagabond giving Greta a ride , it was a master stroke for their business , I am glad they made it safely , I look forward to the episodes , they have been a little boring since the little one came along/ they switched to a Cat IMO so I have not been watching them

Not just a good business move. They accepted another experienced sailor into the crew, used weather info well and correctly plotted their way round some heavy weather for a good voyage. Climate Change is happening and to say that nothing we do will change it is wrong. We can make our homes and Australia more climate resistant. Plant shade trees in suburbs to reduce temperature and power use peaks. Drip feed gardens rather than spray. Cover irrigation channels to reduce evaporation loss. Change local government planning guidelines to limit foreshore development and ensure the public aren't paying out future litigation as increased rates. Solar power and heating. The list goes on. We're here because we are sailors. I don't mind that we have differing religious and social views, or that these do impact on opinions on wider issues. Keep it friendly, and try and spend as much time on your boat as possible:)

Yes it is hard to believe. Not sure what that photo is supposed to show. Melted ice water! Does ice melt like that? Very little snow on the mountains yet we are supposed to believe those dogs are walking on melted ice water! Is it any wonder no one believes scientists.

Funny. I take it you did read the article though?

A scientist even made a bad pun, oh, he's lost all credibility :) :) ha ha

OMG - Oceans Melting Greenland

On a serious note though measuring the distance between two satellites to an accuracy of a human hair is cooler tech than I have ever worked on, colour me jealous.

Ramona said..

SandS said..
Its hard to believe isn't it ?

www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-30/melting-greenland-glaciers-weighed-by-australian-scientists/11630970

Yes it is hard to believe. Not sure what that photo is supposed to show. Melted ice water! Does ice melt like that? Very little snow on the mountains yet we are supposed to believe those dogs are walking on melted ice water! Is it any wonder no one believes scientists.

Ummmm.....maybe the snow melted just like the ice is melting.....?

hoop said..
Cisco still thinks.

Yes he does whereas the same cannot be said of you.

Why do you keep following me around. Is your life that boring?

Bushdog said..
We can make our homes and Australia more climate resistant.

We certainly can and should have started doing so about 35 years ago.

I have mentioned this in previous threads but nobody seems interested. The CSIRO ran a pilot program near 40 years ago in Canberra the paremeters of which were to build a stand alone suburban home with all the mod cons and run it for a year OFF THE ELECTRICITY GRID.

It was featured in an ABC documentary which I watched. How I wish I could have recorded it as it would open a lot of eyes up.

There was a back up generator in the garage set to automatically start if the battery banks became too low. The program was a resounding success and the generator did not start during the whole time.

Nearly 40 years ago the CSIRO proved that virtually every stand alone home in Australia had no need to be on the electricity grid. Why was nothing done???? What happened to the data???? Why can I not find a reference to it on the CSIRO web site???? Why cannot the ABC find anything about it in their archives.

I smell a rat shaped like this $s.

Far too many vested interests for any truly neutral research on both sides, the way I look at it and any research is to follow the money and there you will usually find the truth.

SandS said..


I,m certain a lot of people believe what scientists tell us ! Why shouldn't I believe hundreds of scientists all saying the same thing .

I find it incredible that so many seemingly clever people , refuse to accept scientific data and projections .

It's how they happen to get that data and/or projections that really matter.

An example of what I mean, a study that is according to many doctors the gold standard, which basically proclaims the benefit of statins. The study found that by taking statins there was a 50% reduction in heart attacks etc. Now only if you read through the raw data do you find that the placebo group had far more high risk patients than the treatment group, hence the result. Basically a study designed to get the outcome they wanted.
Any study can be designed to get the outcome they seek, it's only if you delve deeper into the raw data do you find the dodgy science going on.
I had this very discussion with my doctor at the time, lets just say he wasn't impressed and now has changed his whole outlook on medical studies and even how he practices medicine.
That study is considered by the majority of doctors as proof that statins work and worth giving to their patients.

That's why a high percentage of research is tainted by vested interests so is garbage science.

They are all like that, thousands of medical studies all with dodgy science, I have spent thousands of hours going through them, so I know first hand how bad the science is, climate science is no different, the way they are funded leads to way too many vested interests getting involved.

I chose that example because that study is so highly thought of as true fact when it's just another dodgy bit of science.

I'm not against cleaning up the planet, clean energy etc but the scientific community is influenced by money (funding), so I place very little regard in these so called scientists predictions, like I said earlier follow the money

Bedford81 said..
They are all like that, thousands of medical studies all with dodgy science, I have spent thousands of hours going through them, so I know first hand how bad the science is, climate science is no different, the way they are funded leads to way too many vested interests getting involved.

i do agree that there are a lot of junk "scientific" studies published --- research papers have become the currency of academia and now millions of papers are churned out and published every year. however, while i get where you are coming from i disagree very much with your conclusions.

pharmaceutical studies are particularly bad, because the drug industry is huge and massively profitable. in this case the vested interests are clearly the drug companies, and most drug research is funded and/or carried out directly by the drug companies themselves.

if you are using drug company funded studies as an example, then in the case of the fossil fuel industry the big vested interests are clearly the fossil fuel companies that are protecting their profits by disputing the science. similarly, tobacco companies were the powerful and wealthy vested interests that fought tooth and nail against the science that suggested that tobacco smoking is a health hazard.

frankly, even if the correctness of the majority conclusions of climate scientists was only a 50/50 coin toss, then it still seems like madness to me to not act decisively. i have yet to read a cogent argument as to why we should continue to gamble upon the science being wrong. the fossil fuel companies obviously care about their massive profits, and some other people seem to care more about our short-term economic position than the future for generations to come.

Bedford81 said..
They are all like that, thousands of medical studies all with dodgy science, I have spent thousands of hours going through them, so I know first hand how bad the science is, climate science is no different, the way they are funded leads to way too many vested interests getting involved.

I chose that example because that study is so highly thought of as true fact when it's just another dodgy bit of science.

I'm not against cleaning up the planet, clean energy etc but the scientific community is influenced by money (funding), so I place very little regard in these so called scientists predictions, like I said earlier follow the money

As monkey says, fOllow the money and on one side you find the trillions of the vast fossil fuel industry, led by people such as the world's richest family. The fossil fuel industry is the side with the money.

Sure, there's bad science around but scientists also know that changing scientific paradigms is what makes their careers, not just following them

lemodular said..
More power to her .. what an awesome acknowledgement of her voice on an issue which so many don't want to even acknowledge is real

mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-12/thunberg-named-times-person-of-the-year/11790934

2 posts, both on this topic. Do you have any interest in sailing?

Hmmmm.

cisco said..
Hmmmm.

LOL - Tactic 101 - discredit the messenger and avoid any scrutiny of the evidence or the message.

Again, why are people (Hey Boomers) so threatened by a 16 year old girl? Yes, she has cut through, now time to cut her down!

hoop said..

Concepcion said..

cisco said..
Hmmmm.

LOL - Tactic 101 - discredit the messenger and avoid any scrutiny of the evidence or the message.

Again, why are people (Hey Boomers) so threatened by a 16 year old girl? Yes, she has cut through, now time to cut her down!

Well said Concepcion. The 16 year old girl threat is alive and well with the boomers.
Is Greta not allowed to purchase food now? Does anyone know what happened to the plastic she used?
Best to just cut her down out of 16 year old girl fear!

...I'm a boomer too...and I've got gutsy kids who challenge me everyday. As much as it may infuriate me at times, I'd much rather that then an obsequious drone that does what I tell them to.

Its reasonable to expect someone to practice what they preach. Especially if they are vocal. Flying yacht crew across the Atlantic and keeping that quiet because you say flying is bad then using a carbon fibre boat which is the worst worst polluting material to make a boat from (and keeping that very quiet) aren't exactly that. Plastic wrapped food is kind of unavoidable in a 2019 over populated World.

Previously my red neck friends and family were at least listening that global temperatures might be rising. Some even said maybe it is. They also listened that if warming was true it might cause things to change in the World. Like ice caps melting, deserts expanding and fish dying.

Bear in mind some of these friends dont know the difference between a planet and a star, some dont know why the tide goes out and in and some have never been out of their suburb. They prefer to watch the footy or cricket. Now they dont listen and Greta's stunt has given them enormous ammo