Datawiz said..

Bananabender said..

saintpeter said..
+1 Allan.
And yes, I'm out of the naughty corner, and have been sitting back watching which side you are all on. Very interesting. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked! Yes, MB, this is a sailing forum; and no I will not be silent about the most important matter to ever confront the modern world.
If any of you have watched Greta's first major speech in Sweden, you would not be blaming her current handlers. Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!

Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please

With respect BB, the topic title is "Greta Thunberg hitches a ride with La Vagabond" which was accepted by the moderator, and has attracted a large number of contributions.
Given that it's entirely optional for members to read or submit contributions, I can't see why the topic should be moved to another forum.

regards,
Allan

I was referring to what saintpeter was planning
"Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!"

Datawiz said..

Bananabender said..

saintpeter said..
+1 Allan.
And yes, I'm out of the naughty corner, and have been sitting back watching which side you are all on. Very interesting. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked! Yes, MB, this is a sailing forum; and no I will not be silent about the most important matter to ever confront the modern world.
If any of you have watched Greta's first major speech in Sweden, you would not be blaming her current handlers. Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!

Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please

With respect BB, the topic title is "Greta Thunberg hitches a ride with La Vagabond" which was accepted by the moderator, and has attracted a large number of contributions.
Given that it's entirely optional for members to read or submit contributions, I can't see why the topic should be moved to another forum.

regards,
Allan

On your argument why don't we start a thread on Morrison versus Albanese. Or Brexit. Or Trump. All have some sort of impacts on us. These might gets lots of posts too.
Take your political agendas elsewhere. This is a sailing forum. Get it back to sailing.

Wander66 said..

southace said..
I personally love big jet planes, tonight at sunset I spotted these guys doing some cool heading changes and the black stuff that falls over all the rich mans nicely polished boats creates even more employment from them.??

Do you realise that these are chemtrails? They are released by the governments of first world to suppress sea levels in localised areas so that the impacts of climate change are hidden from the populace.

Not just the government. Commercial Airliners have been fitted with chem tanks for decades.

Bananabender said.....

Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please

Hey teacher leave my thread alone!

MorningBird said..

Datawiz said..

Bananabender said..

saintpeter said..
+1 Allan.
And yes, I'm out of the naughty corner, and have been sitting back watching which side you are all on. Very interesting. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked! Yes, MB, this is a sailing forum; and no I will not be silent about the most important matter to ever confront the modern world.
If any of you have watched Greta's first major speech in Sweden, you would not be blaming her current handlers. Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!

Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please

With respect BB, the topic title is "Greta Thunberg hitches a ride with La Vagabond" which was accepted by the moderator, and has attracted a large number of contributions.
Given that it's entirely optional for members to read or submit contributions, I can't see why the topic should be moved to another forum.

regards,
Allan

On your argument why don't we start a thread on Morrison versus Albanese. Or Brexit. Or Trump. All have some sort of impacts on us. These might gets lots of posts too.
Take your political agendas elsewhere. This is a sailing forum. Get it back to sailing.

With respect MB, the topic was initiated by Guitz and within its thread, I have no political agenda.
I am however, a strong protagonist of science and scientific method which, by experiment, measurement and observation, seeks to establish facts.
Using those facts, it is the function of science to arrive at logical conclusions, make predictions and refute beliefs based on fallacies.

It is my commitment to science that motivates and guides my posts in this thread.
regards,Allan

Datawiz said..

MorningBird said..

Datawiz said..

Bananabender said..

saintpeter said..
+1 Allan.
And yes, I'm out of the naughty corner, and have been sitting back watching which side you are all on. Very interesting. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked! Yes, MB, this is a sailing forum; and no I will not be silent about the most important matter to ever confront the modern world.
If any of you have watched Greta's first major speech in Sweden, you would not be blaming her current handlers. Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!

Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please

With respect BB, the topic title is "Greta Thunberg hitches a ride with La Vagabond" which was accepted by the moderator, and has attracted a large number of contributions.
Given that it's entirely optional for members to read or submit contributions, I can't see why the topic should be moved to another forum.

regards,
Allan

On your argument why don't we start a thread on Morrison versus Albanese. Or Brexit. Or Trump. All have some sort of impacts on us. These might gets lots of posts too.
Take your political agendas elsewhere. This is a sailing forum. Get it back to sailing.

With respect MB, the topic was initiated by Guitz and within its thread, I have no political agenda.
I am however, a strong protagonist of science and scientific method which, by experiment, measurement and observation, seeks to establish facts.
Using those facts, it is the function of science to arrive at logical conclusions, make predictions and refute beliefs based on fallacies.

It is my commitment to science that motivates and guides my posts in this thread.
regards,Allan

I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.

MorningBird said..

Datawiz said..

MorningBird said..

Datawiz said..

Bananabender said..

saintpeter said..
+1 Allan.
And yes, I'm out of the naughty corner, and have been sitting back watching which side you are all on. Very interesting. Frankly, I'm a bit shocked! Yes, MB, this is a sailing forum; and no I will not be silent about the most important matter to ever confront the modern world.
If any of you have watched Greta's first major speech in Sweden, you would not be blaming her current handlers. Sure, now there is a bit of theatre, but that's nothing compared to what I'm planning!

Well take it to the heavy weather forum. Please

With respect BB, the topic title is "Greta Thunberg hitches a ride with La Vagabond" which was accepted by the moderator, and has attracted a large number of contributions.
Given that it's entirely optional for members to read or submit contributions, I can't see why the topic should be moved to another forum.

regards,
Allan

On your argument why don't we start a thread on Morrison versus Albanese. Or Brexit. Or Trump. All have some sort of impacts on us. These might gets lots of posts too.
Take your political agendas elsewhere. This is a sailing forum. Get it back to sailing.

With respect MB, the topic was initiated by Guitz and within its thread, I have no political agenda.
I am however, a strong protagonist of science and scientific method which, by experiment, measurement and observation, seeks to establish facts.
Using those facts, it is the function of science to arrive at logical conclusions, make predictions and refute beliefs based on fallacies.

It is my commitment to science that motivates and guides my posts in this thread.
regards,Allan

I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.

I also consider myself logical , recently I have made this a pet project of mine to research everything I can on Human affected climate change , the science is without a doubt settled , now the issue is , and where without a doubt the science is not settled , is how severe the consequences will be if we don t make change

China/India is where Greta should really be lecturing , of coarse we know how that would end!


I am now without a doubt a Human affected climate change believer , however I am often embarrassed at the behavior of my fellow believers in online debates , debates around the dinner table or face to face are always more positive .

saintpeter said..

MorningBird said..

Datawiz said..

I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.

Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.

Science that is based on manipulated data is not "settled".

cisco said..

saintpeter said..

MorningBird said..

Datawiz said..

I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.

Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.

Science that is based on manipulated data is not "settled".

Let's dumb it down for you then ..take a look at this first graph and some of the corresponding pages from nasa
climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

lemodular said..

cisco said..

saintpeter said..

MorningBird said..

Datawiz said..

I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.

Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.

Science that is based on manipulated data is not "settled".

Let's dumb it down for you then ..take a look at this first graph and some of the corresponding pages from nasa
climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

How about you get off your high horse and have a respectful debate

My favourite is the Greta only gets up the nose of old white men , total piffle , I was at a table of peeps the other night and most of the ladies found her style distasteful as well

edit , personally I find having Greta as the poster child for the movement a little distasteful , I hope the young lady comes through it all happy and healthy

saintpeter said..

And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.

It is a shame you feel that way Saint Peter.

This thread was started with a SAILING interest in mind and has generally been debated with the respect to others that the Sailing forum is good for. It is a contentious issue and was always going to end in heated and diverse opinions.

No-one has flagged the thread and it has not broken any of the Seabreeze rules. It would be nice to see it come back on track in regards to Vagabond and leave the other bickering to the pages and pages of the same topic in the General or HW forum.

But then again, this is just my opinion.....

cisco said..

saintpeter said..

MorningBird said..

Datawiz said..

I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.

Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.

Science that is based on manipulated data is not "settled".

With respect Cisco, perhaps you could offer an example of "manipulated' data.
To be fair, since the reference material used to support the theory of Anthropogenic Climate Change is contained in the 2019 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) "Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5?C", it is only right that you choose examples from that report to demonstrate that the data has been manipulated.


Here's a link to that document
www.ipcc.ch/sr15/download/

regards,
Allan

Its hard to believe isn't it ?

www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-30/melting-greenland-glaciers-weighed-by-australian-scientists/11630970

saintpeter said..

MorningBird said..

Datawiz said..

I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.

Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.

Bat...ball...flounce... etc etc

Datawiz said..

cisco said..

saintpeter said..

MorningBird said..

Datawiz said..

I am also a devotee of rational and logical thinking. At least we can agree the science isn't settled.

Oh yes it is, MB. That's the whole point - it is settled. It's only the deniers that are not settled.
And that's me done. Mod's - I'm out of here - you won't here any more from me.

Science that is based on manipulated data is not "settled".

With respect Cisco, perhaps you could offer an example of "manipulated' data.
To be fair, since the reference material used to support the theory of Anthropogenic Climate Change is contained in the 2019 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) "Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5?C", it is only right that you choose examples from that report to demonstrate that the data has been manipulated.


Here's a link to that document
www.ipcc.ch/sr15/download/

regards,
Allan

Allan , there is actually quite a lot of debate around some of the Data and it has muddied the water unfortunately for many I can understand how some become cynical , some of the reports out there are more like an opinion piece rather than fact based robust science , not referring to your linked report above .

I am confident the most cynical understand we must make a change , the elephant in the room is how do we get China and India down the rabbit hole with us .