Jessica Watson Young Sailor, good or bad idea???

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thommo 000
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20 Oct 2009 7:33pm
garyk said...

thommo 000 said...

and if he falls off once...put the bike away,


She hit a ship once...


i just said that
oliver
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20 Oct 2009 8:25pm
Her parents are irresponsible for encouraging her to do it and they need to be held personally accountable for any rescue attempt. I'm really tired of half arsed people attempting "record-breaking" stunts and expecting tax payers to bail them out of the mess that they find themselves in down the track.

If she makes it - hooray, I hope she makes a million dollars on book deals and tv appearances.

if she dies trying - I hope her parents are jailed
thommo 000
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20 Oct 2009 8:35pm
oliver said...

I'm really tired of half arsed people attempting "record-breaking" stunts and expecting tax payers to bail them out of the mess that they find themselves in down the track.


^^^^^^

i`d rather fork out for her than the other boat people

oliver
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20 Oct 2009 8:39pm
thommo 000 said...

i`d rather fork out for her than the other boat people


I'd rather spend my taxpayer dollars building more detention centres to process refos than spending money supporting the pipe dreams of rich aussies.
thommo 000
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20 Oct 2009 8:41pm

oliver said...

I'm really tired of half arsed people




^^^^^^
do you know her that well? o.k.

WindySimon
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20 Oct 2009 8:42pm
oliver said...

Her parents are irresponsible for encouraging her to do it and they need to be held personally accountable for any rescue attempt. I'm really tired of half arsed people attempting "record-breaking" stunts and expecting tax payers to bail them out of the mess that they find themselves in down the track.

If she makes it - hooray, I hope she makes a million dollars on book deals and tv appearances.

if she dies trying - I hope her parents are jailed



Dear Oliver and others,

That is a pretty ****ed view on life and her choices. Firstly its none of your business and secondly its none of your business.

Do you enjoy the comfort and convenience of the motor car? the modern aeroplane? Football? Boats?

Think about it semi logically before jumping off on another pot of grouch!

The girl has an aspiration that is not all that unsafe and despite the fact that i dont find her attractive i say hats off to her and her attempt. If she dies or hits another ship i wouldnt laugh at her i'd still take my hat off to her for having a go.

Modern ideals are ****ed and its people like you that create the stupid "Safety" rules that we all have to abide by nowdays. Whats wrong with common sense? If she has thought about the consequences and learnt about all the things that can help her if things go wrong then whats wrong with her having a sail?

Do you ever drive more than 2 hours straight or drink then drive? If so your a bloody idiot and if you scratch anyones car and make the insurance company pay out some money you should be hung in public.. ****ed mentality really isnt it?

You enjoy the car and aeroplane yes? Would you have told the wright brothers and henry ford that they were bloody idiots when they tried things out knowing that they could die doing so?

My whole point here is not to **** can you but only that your view on this particular topic is narrow minded and makes you and others like you a hypocrite...

Now i'm not perfect either but i'd like to pay with tax dollars to help rescue a girl who's having a go rather than paying in tax dollars to pay for people who dont work or paying for people who get fat sitting on the couch doing the right thing and end up consuming hospital resources...

Think outside the square me thinks...
oliver
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20 Oct 2009 8:50pm
WindySimon said...

[That is a pretty ****ed view on life and her choices. Firstly its none of your business and secondly its none of your business.


Firstly and Secondly this is my opinion, which I was encouraged to comment on. If you don't like the idea of other peoples opinions I suggest you work on regime change in our country rather than telling me and others what we should think!

j murray
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20 Oct 2009 11:22pm
Oliver, spend money building housing for the refugees, Ill make a small wager with you That within six months Christmas island welcoming camps will be burnt to the ground by some rabble among the needy. Do we really need another powerful ethnic religious group to take up refurbishing in aussie. As their opposition will already be here somewhere, waiting to rekindle centuries old fighting.
All people are welcome here, to start anew, but leave their baggage behind and come naked.
oliver
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20 Oct 2009 8:59pm
j murray said...

Oliver, spend money building housing for the refugees, Ill make a small wager with you That within six months Christmas island welcoming camps will be burnt to the ground by some rabble among the needy. Do we really need another powerful ethnic religious group to take up refurbishing in aussie. As their opposition will already be here somewhere, waiting to rekindle centuries old fighting.
All people are welcome here, to start anew, but leave their baggage behind and come naked.


Being a betting man I'm not going to bet with you. The refo issue is beyond me. I'm simply making a comment that I would rather spend my tax dollars to process people in need rather than stupid rich australians with half arsed goals of getting their name in a book and appearing on 60 minutes with their "amazing story"
thommo 000
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20 Oct 2009 9:06pm
j murray said...h

All people are welcome here, to start anew, but leave their baggage behind and come naked.


although this has nothing to do with jess, murray has nailed it,this is seriously,something we have to look at
oliver
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20 Oct 2009 9:14pm
thommo 000 said...

j murray said...h

All people are welcome here, to start anew, but leave their baggage behind and come naked.


although this has nothing to do with jess, murray has nailed it,i looked into it a few days ago and......this is seriously,something we have to look at


What ever you are on thommo 000 can I have some.

Seriously, what is the point of doing this round the world thing. It's been done before, her aim is to be the youngest - so fricken what. If she is successful it will be a long drawn out story on 60 minutes, a book and then forgotten, until some retarded rich family will encourage their 10year old with hip hop ability to try it - the whole concept won't make the world a better place to live in.
thommo 000
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20 Oct 2009 9:37pm
sure i don`t mind sharing,...of cause it`s been done before so should we stop at that? and what gives you the right to tell her she`s retarded, and how do you know she`s doing it for fame and fortune.
oliver
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20 Oct 2009 9:49pm
thommo 000 said...

what gives you the right to tell her she`s retarded, and how do you know she`s doing it for fame and fortune.



Jesicca is just a kid with ambitions, who is probably a bit of an attention seeker (page 1 post 2). I don't think she has anything to answer for. There is nothing retarded about her at all.

I think her Mum and Dad are irresponsible for encouraging her and supporting her to go with it and should pay the full penalty if something goes wrong. They are the retards.
hoop
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20 Oct 2009 11:16pm
I reckon you're a bunch of sooks. There's a 16year old girl who's willing to take on the southern ocean while you all sit on your arses complaining about rescue fees and, what if something bad happens?
Isn't the whole idea of a challenge or an adventure taking risks and accepting the outcomes?
Jessica Watson is making you look like a bunch of raging nancy boys.
thommo 000
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21 Oct 2009 12:58am


oliver said...

thommo 000 said...

what gives you the right to tell her she`s retarded, and how do you know she`s doing it for fame and fortune.



Jesicca is just a kid with ambitions, who is probably a bit of an attention seeker (page 1 post 2). I don't think she has anything to answer for. There is nothing retarded about her at all.






thats what i like to hear, not that other bull****
evlPanda
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21 Oct 2009 10:50am
I don't understand why you'd want to sail around non-stop, you'd miss everything. If I were her parents I'd be encouraging her to stop as many places as she could.


aaah... the record, of course.
shark
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21 Oct 2009 8:05am
hoop said...

I reckon you're a bunch of sooks. There's a 16year old girl who's willing to take on the southern ocean while you all sit on your arses complaining about rescue fees and, what if something bad happens?
Isn't the whole idea of a challenge or an adventure taking risks and accepting the outcomes?
Jessica Watson is making you look like a bunch of raging nancy boys.


problem is that if/when she does it, there will be a 15/14/13....year old after that.
Guinness should stop verifying this type of record as they have done with others.

As I have said before-would you accept a 13 year old setting a record such as drive or fly solo Melbourne to Brisbane? Stupid isnt it but why should us seafarers have to accept the risk?

I reckon she has a bloody good chance of succeeding, its those following that I would be more and more concerned about
firiebob
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21 Oct 2009 10:51am
hoop said...

I reckon you're a bunch of sooks. There's a 16year old girl who's willing to take on the southern ocean while you all sit on your arses complaining about rescue fees and, what if something bad happens?
Isn't the whole idea of a challenge or an adventure taking risks and accepting the outcomes?
Jessica Watson is making you look like a bunch of raging nancy boys.


+ 1
doggie
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21 Oct 2009 11:27am
firiebob said...

hoop said...

I reckon you're a bunch of sooks. There's a 16year old girl who's willing to take on the southern ocean while you all sit on your arses complaining about rescue fees and, what if something bad happens?
Isn't the whole idea of a challenge or an adventure taking risks and accepting the outcomes?
Jessica Watson is making you look like a bunch of raging nancy boys.


+ 1


All I can say is we will see. Just wait for the public outcry when she dosnt make it. You wont here a pip from me -1...................
greenleader
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21 Oct 2009 2:14pm
just a question or two.

1. do international sailors have to pay an insurance policy that covers their rescue/liability?

2. does anyone think that it would discourage open sea sailing if, like road users, yachtmen had to pay such insurance?
Paradox
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21 Oct 2009 2:35pm
hoop said...

I reckon you're a bunch of sooks. There's a 16year old girl who's willing to take on the southern ocean while you all sit on your arses complaining about rescue fees and, what if something bad happens?
Isn't the whole idea of a challenge or an adventure taking risks and accepting the outcomes?
Jessica Watson is making you look like a bunch of raging nancy boys.


I don't disagree with your sentiment, however the issue is a bit larger than a 16yr old taking on a daunting challenge, that aspect is great and good on her.

The issue is whether or not there is negligence in letting her go without adequate preparation or experience. She is going now rather than after doing some pretty essential lead ups to gain experience - solely to get her name in lights. Doing the prep will take too long....and no record. Correct me if I am wrong, but she has no real solo ocean experience?? That just sounds wrong to me.

I think it is great she wants to sail solo around the world, go for it. But forget the record and the sponsors and the book rights and train properly first.

I hope she makes it, or at least gets back safely, but damn it's risky......all for that 5mins of fame.
doggie
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21 Oct 2009 2:51pm
Paradox said...

hoop said...

I reckon you're a bunch of sooks. There's a 16year old girl who's willing to take on the southern ocean while you all sit on your arses complaining about rescue fees and, what if something bad happens?
Isn't the whole idea of a challenge or an adventure taking risks and accepting the outcomes?
Jessica Watson is making you look like a bunch of raging nancy boys.


I don't disagree with your sentiment, however the issue is a bit larger than a 16yr old taking on a daunting challenge, that aspect is great and good on her.

The issue is whether or not there is negligence in letting her go without adequate preparation or experience. She is going now rather than after doing some pretty essential lead ups to gain experience - solely to get her name in lights. Doing the prep will take too long....and no record. Correct me if I am wrong, but she has no real solo ocean experience?? That just sounds wrong to me.

I think it is great she wants to sail solo around the world, go for it. But forget the record and the sponsors and the book rights and train properly first.

I hope she makes it, or at least gets back safely, but damn it's risky......all for that 5mins of fame.


Smartest thing anyone had said on the topic so far.
hoop
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21 Oct 2009 10:24pm
Yes it's risky. It would be booring if it wasn't.
Who cares about public outcry. Who cares about liability.
Why can't someone do something a bit on the edge these days without people crapping on about repercussions .
Doggie, you're into surfing aren't you ? If you're out at some remote break and it's 8 foot plus, there's a good chance you could stuff up pretty bad and need to be rescued.
Surfers are always pushing the limits of survival ,going bigger ,deeper and more remote. They also take some pretty young crew along with them and encourage them to get amongst it.
If you're happy living your life in front of your computer ,that's fine. Just don't bag out people who live the real thing.
crusher
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22 Oct 2009 4:56am
Just Heard about a bloke who was injured surfing shipstern bluff (remote location in Tassie) had to be rescued by helicopter.

Just got me thinking where do you draw the line ? Should the taxpayer be looking after every one out there who puts themeselves in risky situations?

What about the cost of smoking and other drugs to the taxpayer?

Im not commenting on Jessica, but find the related issues interesting.
evlPanda
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22 Oct 2009 11:40am
greenleader said...

just a question or two.

1. do international sailors have to pay an insurance policy that covers their rescue/liability?

2. does anyone think that it would discourage open sea sailing if, like road users, yachtmen had to pay such insurance?


Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure for 80%+ of her journey she'll be way beyond rescue. Rescue is not even an option. She might get lucky with a passing ship if she requires help, she has a mystical connection with tankers, but it would take many days to reach her otherwise.
doggie
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22 Oct 2009 8:46am
hoop said...

Yes it's risky. It would be booring if it wasn't.
Who cares about public outcry. Who cares about liability.
Why can't someone do something a bit on the edge these days without people crapping on about repercussions .
Doggie, you're into surfing aren't you ? If you're out at some remote break and it's 8 foot plus, there's a good chance you could stuff up pretty bad and need to be rescued.
Surfers are always pushing the limits of survival ,going bigger ,deeper and more remote. They also take some pretty young crew along with them and encourage them to get amongst it.
If you're happy living your life in front of your computer ,that's fine. Just don't bag out people who live the real thing.


That is true Hoop, prob dont take risks like I did in my younger days tho. But you could say the same for guys that go drtbike riding and all extreem stuff but the cost of rescue locally would be alot less than an open ocean sea rescue. Bullimore was a very experienced sailor and look at what happened to him! Imo its not a good idea but hey if she makes it she is in the book!
My life in front of a computer only exists at work, I dont watch Tv or have a pc at home. And I didnt bag anyone I just had my opinion.
hoop
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22 Oct 2009 9:03am
Sorry Doggie. The computer comment wasn't aimed at you. That was for all the doubters.
I was just using surfing as a comparison.

king of the point
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22 Oct 2009 9:08am
Knowlegde and experience = equalls= power............. well may be if its used correctly.

FUNNY but to much and or a lack of experience and knowledge can lead to hesitation , sceptisism,and self doubt.

Age is the bizare one ..........what is age ............is it a barrier, a symbol indicating ones knowledge ,a ruling or judged determination of ones experience on life

18 you are deemed an Adult by law Law our tribal Oz LAW ...................RESPONSIBLE FOR ONES SELF.

Great there is a loop hole that allows her to depart

I believe

Lots of rules are for fools and the wise will interperate ...............

She has the backing, experience and knowlege and determination but as all water people on this forum know she will need lots of good fortune from nature , human activity and with her equipment

So whos kidds are up next and at what age ? ...........if she makes it? and if she dose not ?

I say
Cheek your yatch club mirror dingy fleet hope your not missing one.
Then on the other hand give them a tourch and some food a cast more of them off.








shark
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22 Oct 2009 11:55am
greenleader said...

just a question or two.

1. do international sailors have to pay an insurance policy that covers their rescue/liability?

2. does anyone think that it would discourage open sea sailing if, like road users, yachtmen had to pay such insurance?


!/ No not on "their" rescue, but they do for their vessel if they want it.

2/ Do you as a road user pay insurance to be rescued? other than taxes, I dont think so. On the other hand if you want your car "rescued", yes.
And if you dont have cover and leave your car (or yatch) "parked" (broken down, damaged abandoned etc) in a place where its a hazard then you are liable for the cost if authorities need to "rescue" (tow, salvage etc)

Does anyone suggest that taxpayers should only be liable for "little" rescues?
Its a basic premise of civilised life that SOS comes before all else.
Its just tough **** that Australia (NZ, Sth Africa, Sth America etc) have a large area of ocean to be responsible for.
Hiko
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22 Oct 2009 11:59am
As a sailor who built his own yacht and sailed offshore on quite a few voyages
I have some small idea of what Jessica is taking on
I think the dangerous bit is the solo part
Seamanship requires a lookout to be kept at all times and as solo sailors cannot do that then that is very dangerous
I know the ocean is a big place but I have been amazed at the number of times
I have have had to alter course to avoid a collision when alerted by a family member of a threatening ship
On one occasion we nearly sailed into a large fishing vessel adrift with no lights
The mental toughness of doing this alone is something not to be taken lightly either I hope she copes with it all but I wouldnt want my daughter to be doing it
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