Jessica Watson Young Sailor, good or bad idea???

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rochelle
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6 Oct 2009 12:41pm
i say good luck to her .. just hope she doesn't run into any trouble ... and hopefully if she does (i hope she doesn't) she will remember what she knows and not panic to much.

Like i said Good luck to her ... it's great she's doing it and showing young people can do things too and i hope she's safe all the way
shark
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6 Oct 2009 12:24pm
rochelle said...

i say good luck to her .. just hope she doesn't run into any trouble ... and hopefully if she does (i hope she doesn't) she will remember what she knows and not panic to much.

Like i said Good luck to her ... it's great she's doing it and showing young people can do things too and i hope she's safe all the way


its not her that us mariners worry about, its us.
We are at sea using safe manning levels etc but she isnt. As well as being a solo AND inexperienced ocean sailor.
Would you be happy if younger people were allowed on the road on the basis that "other people will see her and get out of the way". Im not talking about rescues either. What if my vessel sinks or one of my crew goes overboard in a collision? We have have families also who would like us to come home.
king of the point
king of the point
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6 Oct 2009 2:31pm
Good luck ......dont let the negitive bastards stop you.

Ps watch out for those ships ........you got approx 20min from the time you see them on the horison to the time of impact.
Gotta get a strong light onto the sail


OH on that note .........Whales....... there are heaps of them out there doing there thing on the beat and march on the WEST COAST .

anyway all the best ..........
Wannabe
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6 Oct 2009 6:00pm
Wannabe said...

So she is off to Sydney again... and waddya know, as of 10:48pm AEST today her AIS tracking is turned off again...???

www.marinetraffic.com/
aprs.fi/?call=503351200&dt=1254268800&mt=m&z=12&timerange=172800


Holy **** how stupid can you get. She turned it back on about 6mi out of Sydney Harbour...
garyk
garyk
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6 Oct 2009 10:17pm
She is making a BIG MISTAKE!!!!

This is just a stunt and gives most people the wrong impression on what yachting is all about.

She's going to be doing it hard not only in the southern ocean but north to the equator as well. Her route is NE after fiji to the line islands thats to windward
and against the current which can run at a rate of knots.

I think if she really had the right experence for this stunt and listened to people who have actually done it, there's no way she would do it.

Her parants need a good kick up the ass for leading her in this direction, I think they have medication for such disorders GO GET SOME BEFORE YOU LOSE YOUR DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!!

She needs to stop listening to all the ****heads egging her on that haven't done it and listen to the ones who have and will tell her not to be stupid dont do it.

It's not the sea that could kill her its her.

fly guy
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6 Oct 2009 11:35pm
give the girl a break
I sailed around the world with my father when I was 13 on a 40ft Adams. Though I wasnt alone, by the time I was 16 I was running that yacht on the blue water like the old boy wasnt on board.
Im sure her father wouldnt let her go out there if he didnt think she was up to it.
Seeing her in interviews she seems like she knows what shes on about

my 2 cents worth
cisco
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6 Oct 2009 11:55pm
It is better to have tried and failed than not to have tried at all for fear of failure.
greenleader
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7 Oct 2009 12:15am
or.... It is better to have sailed and died than not to have sailed at all for fear of dying.



elbeau
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6 Oct 2009 11:05pm
“A ship is safe in harbor, but that's not what ships are for.” William Shedd.
Gestalt
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7 Oct 2009 7:43am
the eagle..... fly's higher than the kite.
Sailhack
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7 Oct 2009 10:00am
Gestalt said...

the eagle..... fly's higher than the kite.


That reminds me of toilet grafiti in the urinal of my old trade school...(circa 1990)

"How can you fly like an eagle...when you're led by turkeys"
nick0
nick0
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7 Oct 2009 10:27am
after watching a couple of her videos and blogs i noticed ......NO MUSCLE the boats topsides stick 3 feet of the water .... she may be harnesed and in a lifejacked but if she goes over while boat is under kite and traveling at 10knots pluss she would have the strengh to pull her self back up ........ for seconders the boat is a piece of **** ... she will fail .. and i will laugh .. stupid girl after the attention
mkseven
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7 Oct 2009 2:00pm
nickO personally I noticed someone that doesn't look at ease on a boat. She obviously has some ability to sail as she has done but for the potential situations she will see she should know her way around that boat blindfolded.
rochelle
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7 Oct 2009 2:10pm
shark said...

rochelle said...

i say good luck to her .. just hope she doesn't run into any trouble ... and hopefully if she does (i hope she doesn't) she will remember what she knows and not panic to much.

Like i said Good luck to her ... it's great she's doing it and showing young people can do things too and i hope she's safe all the way


its not her that us mariners worry about, its us.
We are at sea using safe manning levels etc but she isnt. As well as being a solo AND inexperienced ocean sailor.
Would you be happy if younger people were allowed on the road on the basis that "other people will see her and get out of the way". Im not talking about rescues either. What if my vessel sinks or one of my crew goes overboard in a collision? We have have families also who would like us to come home.


I understand what u mean shark but at the end of the day ... she's doing what she wants to do and i just hope she stays safe ... keeps herself out of trouble and doesn't cause any body else any trouble on her travels. No i wouldn't want younger drivers on the road with that basis. i wouldn't want your vessel to sink either or any harm to come to you,your crew or families but what i say on sea breeze wont affect anything jessica watson does... so i just give her my luck really. I'm only 18 myself but i wouldn't let my child go solo on the water even if they were 20 years old lol. it's not safe. not really got much else to say but reply or email me if you want to talk further shark.
evlPanda
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7 Oct 2009 4:27pm
^ It's a trap.

Wannabe said...

Wannabe said...

So she is off to Sydney again... and waddya know, as of 10:48pm AEST today her AIS tracking is turned off again...???

www.marinetraffic.com/
aprs.fi/?call=503351200&dt=1254268800&mt=m&z=12&timerange=172800


Holy **** how stupid can you get. She turned it back on about 6mi out of Sydney Harbour...


I'm confused. Says she is sailing Shearwater.

In a NE and outgoing tide, just doesn't work. Silly Jessica.
cisco
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7 Oct 2009 4:08pm
nick0 said...

after watching a couple of her videos and blogs i noticed ......NO MUSCLE the boats topsides stick 3 feet of the water .... she may be harnesed and in a lifejacked but if she goes over while boat is under kite and traveling at 10knots pluss she would have the strengh to pull her self back up ........ for seconders the boat is a piece of **** ... she will fail .. and i will laugh .. stupid girl after the attention


Maybe you should join her on the expedition nick0. You could teach her how to sail and how to manage risk and she could teach you English, etiquette and public relations.

In the process the two you could set a brand new world record as, "The Youngest Pair of Singularly Egotistical Sailors to Circumnavigate without Killing Each Other".

Before you say things like this "for seconders the boat is a piece of ****", maybe you should Google S&S 34 Circumnavigations and read some things like this
http://gryph.com.au/Gryphweb.Nsf/Weben/Sparkman%20&%20Stephens
and this
www.tradeaboat.com.au/news-and-reviews/article/articleid/58540.aspx

It is always a good policy to ensure the brain is engaged before putting the mouth into gear.
cathyoz
cathyoz
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7 Oct 2009 6:38pm
??????
When you log to VMR you need to specified POB. number of people on board...
i find it strange she did not log into VMR when she left ..Did is it she forget or she did not want to report POB..was she really alone ??

by the way , she bost 10 000 miles experience..
well last year in november , when i met her, she had only to her sailing offshore :5 days cruise in vanuatu with 5 people onboard a 32 ts boats..
i find it hard to beleive she did 10 000 miles in 10 months......

just facts...


garyk
garyk
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7 Oct 2009 9:13pm
10 000 miles in 10 months

Maybe she has done 99.9% of that in dinghies and that has given her all the experience thats needed to sail safely non stop around the world single handed

shark
shark
WA
361 posts
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8 Oct 2009 12:39am
"she will fail .. and i will laugh"

Nicko-thats just a stupid comment from an idiot-or a troll more likely.


The S&S34 is probably the best production vessel available at a reasonable price for bluewater sailing.
While I wish her no harm, I do hope that should the worst occur, it doesnt involve anyone other than those who chose to participate in this.
But in my mind there is NO DOUBT that these records will be pursued until a tragedy occurs then Guinness and other agencies will refuse to record them.
Success will only promote someone else to try until the inevitable...
cathyoz
cathyoz
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8 Oct 2009 11:53am
a much more interresting bunch of people and adventures ..
transparentseavoyage.com
evlPanda
evlPanda
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8 Oct 2009 4:52pm
shark said...
But in my mind there is NO DOUBT that these records will be pursued until a tragedy occurs then Guinness and other agencies will refuse to record them.
Success will only promote someone else to try until the inevitable...


Guiness has some funny records (don't worry Guiness, I'll still drink you):


shark
shark
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8 Oct 2009 11:27pm
evlPanda said...

shark said...
But in my mind there is NO DOUBT that these records will be pursued until a tragedy occurs then Guinness and other agencies will refuse to record them.
Success will only promote someone else to try until the inevitable...


Guiness has some funny records (don't worry Guiness, I'll still drink you):





there are quite a few that they refuse to certify or verify
But I'll still drink you too!
Test pilot 1
Test pilot 1
WA
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9 Oct 2009 12:12am
I cant help thinking - all this publicity a youg female alone - middle of no where - what sort of protection from undesirables - cant call daddy - asking for trouble?
cisco
cisco
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9 Oct 2009 3:35am
Where she is going the most undesireables would be a greenpeace ship or the "Steve Irwin". Those ships make a habit of colliding with other vessels.
AquaPlow
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9 Oct 2009 2:01pm
Aha opinion ping pong - with out personal experience of the young lass - a lot of this is too pre-judged. There are 3 opinions presented in this thread I read and automatically respect - both side of the opinion divide.

I reckon most people's gut feeling is that she is under done on the preparation side - fatally?? Well some weather conditions out there will be fatal regardless - refer movie clips - but a lot of ok weather occurs through these areas which does not make a You Tube clip. I worked 3+ years at sea and mostly is was not really wild - but the few times which were were out there - (pre UTube!!).

Would I stop her if I had the emperor's thumb - no.

Why? - There is one of her trying in this country.

Since I heard of the trip - without trying to I have also heard of a kid fatally bashed to death in an "Accident" in a local school yard - and at least three kids younger than Jessica dead around a tree / lamppost - in car crashes - a suicide - etc.. this information is sourced locally - so on a national basis there would be more young deaths through a range of courses - most through far more shallow less prepared and thought out circumstances..

So if she wants to fly and it fails I as a parent would feel - better to happen trying than the all too common alternatives.

She is not guaranteed to fail - far from it. I will follow her endeavor with interest - I will not be totally gob smacked if she retires after 30+% of the journey - and would still give her the thumbs up for trying.

And on a totally different note - Blood_ H!!! the W/E and wind are coinciding - amazing - 4U2 I hope

2 cents
GreenPat
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9 Oct 2009 7:11pm
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26184985-5013404,00.html

In retrospect, some of the stuff I've done to date feels like it could have gone either way with the toss of a coin (50% chance). So if she's heading into this with an expert giving her 66% chance of survival, that seems like pretty good odds. Of course she knows the odds in advance, if I knew how potentially dangerous some of my actions were going to be before I did them, perhaps I would have done things differently.

Anyway, I'm going to get on my motorbike and go the 10km home now. Hopefully I survive the trip.
theDoctor
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9 Oct 2009 8:23pm
if you ride the bike anything like you ride the all terrian skatey... or if you still ride like you did on the ktm vid you posted.......

........ good luck
slalomfreak
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12 Oct 2009 12:26am
Her boats moored at the spit on Middle Harbour.Its tiny!
If she does manage to pull this off it would prove one thing i.e that what she is doing is just a game of chance and she has defied the odds and succeeded.
Does one have to be experienced to win at gambling?
No,just plain lucky.And yes it does happen.
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
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11 Oct 2009 10:56pm
slalomfreak said...

Her boats moored at the spit on Middle Harbour.Its tiny!
If she does manage to pull this off it would prove one thing i.e that what she is doing is just a game of chance and she has defied the odds and succeeded.
Does one have to be experienced to win at gambling?
No,just plain lucky.And yes it does happen.



An S&S34 is probably the best affordable vessel available. They have been used for this by many others. including Jesse Martin.

My problem is that the next and next to try it... younger and younger???
Where to draw the limit? 15?12?9??
Wannabe
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12 Oct 2009 2:13pm
cisco said...

Those ships make a habit of colliding with other vessels.


So does she...
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