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climber
climber
NSW
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NSW, 1125 posts
11 Sep 2013 1:01pm
sausage said..

NZ just won race 5. USA tactically f#@ked up the downwind gybe into leg 2 and handed NZ the lead . 5 more wins for NZ and I'm going to Auckland to watch the next AC.


Now that a damm good idea
echunda
echunda
VIC
765 posts
VIC, 765 posts
11 Sep 2013 1:17pm
climber said..

sausage said..

NZ just won race 5. USA tactically f#@ked up the downwind gybe into leg 2 and handed NZ the lead . 5 more wins for NZ and I'm going to Auckland to watch the next AC.


Now that a damm good idea



Yep. We'll be doing the same.
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
11 Sep 2013 3:07pm
Race 5 Highlights up now.
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
12 Sep 2013 9:34pm
Just a reminder that Race 6 & 7 starting at 6am AEST tomorrow morning.
ThePhil
ThePhil
WA
1322 posts
WA, 1322 posts
12 Sep 2013 8:12pm
Awesome, do they change the mainsail size or just the jib? Looks like big job to change.
LeStef
LeStef
ACT
514 posts
ACT, 514 posts
12 Sep 2013 10:25pm
ThePhil said..

Awesome, do they change the mainsail size or just the jib? Looks like big job to change.


It is no sail, more like a 2 part wing that they can orient depending of wind and direction.
They can go almost twice the wind speed...
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
12 Sep 2013 11:51pm
LeStef said..

They can go almost twice the wind speed...


And some....the other day they were doing 42 knots in 12 knots of wind from memory ! Madness.
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
13 Sep 2013 7:50am
R6 & NZ too dominant on the upwind leg again. Looking like it could be all over for Oracle now.

Oracle changed tacticians too (Slingsby in for the San Fran sailor) but Leg 3 is killing them.

Edit - apologies it was Ben Ainslie who was nominated tactician
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
13 Sep 2013 5:57am
sausage said..

R6 & NZ too dominant on the upwind leg again. Looking like it could be all over for Oracle now.

Oracle changed tacticians too (Slingsby in for the San Fran sailor) but Leg 3 is killing them.


Thanks Sausage, my live stream's got a blockage.
ploppy
ploppy
QLD
167 posts
QLD, 167 posts
13 Sep 2013 8:50am
Fantastic stuff from NZ, but would love to see the Yanks win a few,
but only because i want to see more of these cats in action.
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
13 Sep 2013 9:26am
ploppy said...
Fantastic stuff from NZ, but would love to see the Yanks win a few,
but only because i want to see more of these cats in action.


Yeah, it's so one sided atm. Oracle must be feeling like the Wallabies vying for the bledisloe cup - no amount of pre game (race) talk or team changes make a lick of difference out on the paddock.

Better book those tickets for Auckland.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
13 Sep 2013 10:33am
I too would love to see more racing ploppy but I just want us to get over the line first I still hold my breath every time they round the 3rd marker hoping like hell that they will not bury the nose again and cause some serious damage

This is a great place for catching up and it even does some live streaming



The live blog here is great when the racing is on......but very one sided as you might expect

stuff.co.nz/sport

sausage
sausage
QLD
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QLD, 4874 posts
13 Sep 2013 1:11pm
I just couldn't resist........

www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Classifieds/MyAdvertPreview.aspx?id=acinm
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
15 Sep 2013 7:48am
That was amazing - somehow that boat did not flip over!!!! I was very impressed with Oracles upwind speed and tacking......its definitely game on now.
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
15 Sep 2013 7:54am
Ted the Kiwi said...
That was amazing - somehow that boat did not flip over!!!! I was very impressed with Oracles upwind speed and tacking......its definitely game on now.


That was just incredible. USA seem to have found something on the upwind. Bring on R9.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
15 Sep 2013 8:34am
Dam that wind!!!! It was just starting to get interesting - at least we were in the lead so that should restore some confidence.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
15 Sep 2013 9:45am
evlPanda said..

I'm hoping the next technological innovation is a canting rig. It's probably the main reason windsurfing held the speed record for so long; being able to lean into the breeze.

You'd think it should be possible. Have the mast stays adjustable via some sort of co-ordinated winch system that took up on one side as it let out on the other. Then you'd end up with something a little like the sail rocket.

Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
15 Sep 2013 8:04am
Just watched race 8.That was so close to a capsize! It ain't over till it's over. NZ's second boat is apparently not flash. The US have an equivalent spare.
Macroscien
Macroscien
QLD
6809 posts
QLD, 6809 posts
15 Sep 2013 10:34am


Can we have any discount if buy two same time ?
If you can supply the another one (NZ) I have perfect spot here on GC for every Sunday racing along Broadwater.
With this advantage over San Francisco that spectators could sit closer and on both sides of the channel.
Macroscien
Macroscien
QLD
6809 posts
QLD, 6809 posts
15 Sep 2013 10:40am
Ian K said..

Just watched race 8.That was so close to a capsize! It ain't over till it's over. NZ's second boat is apparently not flash. The US have an equivalent spare.


If the culprit was hydraulics failure that prevent sails from flipping or exhausted crew, forgetting to crank hydraulic pumps ?



That is reminder what I said earlier about needs for modification of the concept of using exclusively human muscle to power control system ( or at storage in air compressed form)
longwinded
longwinded
WA
347 posts
WA, 347 posts
15 Sep 2013 12:21pm
Macroscien said...
Ian K said..

Just watched race 8.That was so close to a capsize! It ain't over till it's over. NZ's second boat is apparently not flash. The US have an equivalent spare.


If the culprit was hydraulics failure that prevent sails from flipping or exhausted crew, forgetting to crank hydraulic pumps ?



That is reminder what I said earlier about needs for modification of the concept of using exclusively human muscle to power control system ( or at storage in air compressed form)



You could put a spring on a tour de france bicycle that winds up when the rider goes downhill and releases going uphill to assist the rider but it is not in the spirit of the competition. The human element is just as important as the technology.
T 11
T 11
TAS
811 posts
TAS, 811 posts
15 Sep 2013 4:37pm
What do they do to the boats in the dock after racing they can't exactly drop the main can they?
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
15 Sep 2013 9:11pm
Not sure I can face watching it again live tom....think I will go for an early surf and log on after for the result. I found this morning far too stressful !! !!
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
15 Sep 2013 9:22pm
longwinded said..


Macroscien said...

Ian K said..

Just watched race 8.That was so close to a capsize! It ain't over till it's over. NZ's second boat is apparently not flash. The US have an equivalent spare.



If the culprit was hydraulics failure that prevent sails from flipping or exhausted crew, forgetting to crank hydraulic pumps ?



That is reminder what I said earlier about needs for modification of the concept of using exclusively human muscle to power control system ( or at storage in air compressed form)




You could put a spring on a tour de france bicycle that winds up when the rider goes downhill and releases going uphill to assist the rider but it is not in the spirit of the competition. The human element is just as important as the technology.


Well it's against the current rules, but nothing fundamentally wrong with regenerative braking being applied to human power? Tour de France riders don't use brakes much, so the weight of the device would negate them. America's cups are run on wind and hamburger power. There's already a bit of power accumulation allowed. Sails and fins flex in the gusts to give a bit back in the lulls, there's shock cord and springs, a small amount in the hydraulics. It's only the rule book that draws an arbitrary line. Maybe allowing 10 seconds of hydraulic accumulation rather than what looks like 1 second at the moment would help for sudden safety manoeuvres but still have the crew work hard upwind. Why don't they pedal the grinders? Against the rules?
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
16 Sep 2013 7:46am
R9 Well it's not over till it's over.... clever start tactics by USA and they were never matched. I wonder if the near capsiize in R8 is affecting the Kiwis mentally
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
16 Sep 2013 8:30am
Lets hope not - the start to this race was insane - lets hope we can hang on for a change.......their boat has found lots of additional speed somehow.....
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
16 Sep 2013 8:43am
I feel sick watching this.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
16 Sep 2013 8:49am
WOW what a race. That was epic. Who said that Cats can not match race!!!!!
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
16 Sep 2013 8:52am
Two to go Ted....
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
16 Sep 2013 8:58am
Thats a kit of finger nails for me to bite into.......still a long way to go. But its better to have to win 2 than the amount Oracle need but I not feeling overly confident - not by a long shot. I remember when your lot was down 3-1 and came back!!!
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