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jp747
jp747
1553 posts
1553 posts
8 Apr 2008 10:33pm
heads up display (hud) on main panel of sail where bearing, wind direction(apparent,prevailing), speed, course heading and gps are standard...all materials u.v. resistant no stretch and half the weight..some sort of flap or vent electronically or manuallly done to let go of the wild gusts, titanium masts, kevlar boards.....
MavericK040
MavericK040
WA
583 posts
WA, 583 posts
8 Apr 2008 10:42pm
we already have kevlar boards!

nobody
nobody
NSW
437 posts
NSW, 437 posts
9 Apr 2008 12:55am
Less monofilm in sails.
More Dacron sails.
More longboards and SUP.
Less kiteboard gear. (Restricted by then)
Less high wind gear. (I had a look on BOM last year and it showed winds have been getting lighter on average since the '80s. Global warming?)
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
8 Apr 2008 11:03pm
jp747 said...

heads up display (hud) on main panel of sail where bearing, wind direction(apparent,prevailing), speed, course heading and gps are standard...all materials u.v. resistant no stretch and half the weight..some sort of flap or vent electronically or manuallly done to let go of the wild gusts, titanium masts, kevlar boards.....


It's always a bit depressing to look back and see how little is acomplished in 10 years in almost every field except computers.
Back in 1969 I watched Armstrong step out onto the moon on live tv broadcast. I thought that having got that far then we would be having holidays in space within 20 years.
Here we are nearly 40 years later, and we haven't even gone back to the moon.
And holidays in space are still as far off now as they were then. Maybe even further off.

So jp747, in answer to your question i confidently predict that in 10 years time you will be sailing the same old same old, which will be sold to you as the very latest gee wizz you beaut never before technology at a correspondingly high price.
elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
8 Apr 2008 11:03pm
all this years latest and greatest in the "can't give away racks"
TonyC
TonyC
WA
410 posts
WA, 410 posts
8 Apr 2008 11:06pm
Don't think there will be any major breakthroughs in materials finding their way into WS. But:
Foiling - following advancements in dinghy foiling mechanisms and new fins designs (like curved catamaran foils but in twin fin boxes) will be designed to adjust lift whilst sailing making WS foilers faster take the world sailing speed record.
More X-Ply (>90% in most sails), including coloured X-plys (between the sheets). No dacron at all in main body of sails,
Better dacron type materials and kevlar type reinforcements (eg like Loft Blades) in luff mast sleeves to control shape and bend (including slight release in gusts). Boom front mounted GPS units (double display in rubber protected covers or that swing to each side (pushed to windward side) (can do it now if anyone's willing to be creative with a plastic bracket).
Also refinements/advancements in mast construction and manufacture maybe along the lines of the Tushingham ceramic sidewalled masts with more fore-aft bend rather than sideways - improve accelleration and twist in breeze without as much sideways pressure spill as now.
Better manufacturing processes to keep board prices continuing to fall in real terms as they are now, but also in mast, boom and sail manufacture to reduce their prices on an ongoing basis like has happened with boards over the years.

And the ultimate outcome:
A continuing resurgence in windsurfing due to continually improving kit (SUP's/Light Wind Wave, Longboards, Foilers) and the public realisation of how much easier it is to start out; PLUS the massive reduction in Kiters due to bans and result of growing realisation by public that most are tossers - hence cool aspect totally shot for kiting.
dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
9 Apr 2008 1:32am
nobody said...
Less high wind gear. (I had a look on BOM last year and it showed winds have been getting lighter on average since the '80s. Global warming?)



Well thats a depressing outlook, just when i've taken up the sport and getting to the stage when I'm stoked when its blowing decently, I hear that all the good wind blew just before/when I was born.

Bring on the kevlar boards/ awesome composite masts etc., just drop the prices a bit hey!

My outlook: Plug and Play windsurfing gear. 3 Piece setup - Board (with integrated mast plate and mast extension), Mast/Boom (boom part of mast, folds down to enable easy carrying, maybe telescopic mast to reduce mast quiver), and Sail.

This would revolutionise freeride.

Also, sometime in the future - boards that change volume, enabling a one board quiver covering the from 60L wave board to about 150L freeride areas (their outlines etc aren't too different to so volume changes maybe possible if new tech develops), but prob still need a wally or formula.

Maybe I'm dreaming, but at least it's wet dreams, not nightmares.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
9 Apr 2008 7:49am
What will change in 10 years? Nothing much. By then all the 90s boards will be gone so the latest and greatest will be the dedicated slalom board. Sails will evolve from year to year but you will still be able to see that a 2117 Sailworks Revo is the same type of sail as the 2007 Revo.

The average windsurfer will be about 50 years old and will have a reasonable amount of money to spend. I don't know if winds will be lighter. Windsurfers always whinged about the wind. We always believe we are living in a special time where its the hottest year, or the wettest month, or the driest drought. Fact is its been hot, wet, dry, cold, windy or whatever before and will be in the future. The climate always changes.

Perhaps there will be some huge breakthrough, like kiting was 10 years ago but it will have issues and many people will reject it. The fact is the original windsurfer design was so good because its so simple. Everything since then has been an evolution. The basics are still there because they are the best we have seen.

The biggest changes I have seen were clamp on booms, telescopic booms and bolt through fin boxes. We may see some similar stuff in 10 years. However the gear of today doesn't look radically different to the gear of 97. Sure boards have changed but boards always change so the manufacturers can sell new ones.





choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
9 Apr 2008 7:49am
Boards will have a magnetic bottom coating to make them more efficent,sails -ultra light a complete racing rig would come in at 3kg,wetsuits -chemical resistant to help protect against all the crap now found in the water.
DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
9 Apr 2008 8:22am
Perhaps the question should be - What improvements would you like to see in windsurfing gear over the next 10 years...... Kinda of a wish list in design.

Mobydisc said...

Sure boards have changed but boards always change so the manufacturers can sell new ones.



Every year board manufactures claim a quantum leap in design from last years model - yeah right[}:)]

as far as replying to the original question..
I agree with mobydisc - "not much really" - the best inventions were the simplest, like the clamp on boom (as already mentioned) - nothing ground breaking since then, except maybe the North ratsh!t extension - but too expensive and a little troublesome from what i've seen.
aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
9 Apr 2008 9:09am
I agree that one of the best changes to kit in the last 20 years is the clamp on boom. Also the reduction in weight of the gear with the introduction of low weight materials and advancements in construction.

Given the changes in the last 20 years there will be only minor changes in the next 10, maybe a move back to longer boards who knows, it all seems to go in circles. I sailed an 8ft board back in the late 80's, then went to 8"6 during the 90's, and now we are getting back down to 8ft and shorter.

The major push will continue to be toward making it easier to get into the sport and to progress, rather than advancements at the performance end.
555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
9 Apr 2008 7:22am
Single piece molded sails - like the americas cup boats use. With no crinkle prone UV sensitive mono.

Hollow core boards perhaps. (I saw a picture of one already!)

Foiling boards have some development to be done. Perhaps using some kind of digital feedback loop to control a variable pitch foil - the technology exists (model gliders have been doing it for a while).

Webbed masts - the current hollow tube bends in every direction. If a shear web was built inside the mast, it would stiffen the sideways deflection without impacting the forward and back deflection. Probably cheaper, and easier to manufacture than a ceramic layer.

Alternatively, global warming, and coastal development coupled with the rising cost of transport, and the continued unreasonable greed of the manufacturers will further cripple the industry. We'll be riding the same stuff, just with even less wind, and it'll cost a lot more so that the manufacturers/transport people can offset their Carbon emmissions.
Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
9 Apr 2008 10:18am
dism said...

nobody said...




Well thats a depressing outlook, just when i've taken up the sport and getting to the stage when I'm stoked when its blowing decently, I hear that all the good wind blew just before/when I was born.




thats hilarious..You should have been here an hour before....
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
9 Apr 2008 11:42am
Well there is an upside to global warming...in 10 years the sea level will have risen a metre...apparently... Think of all the new wave breaks and speed runs
nobody
nobody
NSW
437 posts
NSW, 437 posts
9 Apr 2008 11:46am
The only obvious changes to me over the last decade are wide/formula boards and step-tail longboards.
555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
9 Apr 2008 10:19am
nobody said...

The only obvious changes to me over the last decade are wide/formula boards and step-tail longboards.


And carbon masts/booms, short boards, monofilm sails, clamp on booms, loose leaches, less flouro on wetsuits...
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
9 Apr 2008 12:36pm
The one thing I am hoping for is more colours. Boards seem to be more colourful than they were 10 years ago. My Tabou is very pretty with a big red star on a blue background and a red stripe going down the middle.

More colourful wetsuits are needed. Fact is black is boring and dangerous. Its the same colour as seals and sharks like eating them.

More colourful and interesting sails are needed. Clear monofilm is boring.

Hey 555,

carbon masts came out in the late 80s early 90s. Clamp on booms were popular 15 years ago or more. Monoflim sails were pretty common around 1990. Loose leaches were being used in early 90s race sails.

The big difference between gear of 1997 and 2007 are modern boards are shorter and wider. Sails are not radically different, perhaps they generally have squarer aspect ratios, rigging on shorter masts but nothing revolutionary besides the mega luffs on racing sails like the NP RS.

Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
9 Apr 2008 12:45pm
how about a Jetsons/back to the future style "hover windsurf board". Imagine, "windhoversurf "to work, to the shop,to the beach!! Big close out dumper wave coming right at you? activate hover mode and float over the top.
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
9 Apr 2008 1:06pm
How about collapsable, adustable volume boards and auto rigging systems with sails that adjust size and self tune while sailing.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
9 Apr 2008 1:32pm
Foils for low wind conditions
Nano-tech something for sure
Revhead
Revhead
ACT
372 posts
ACT, 372 posts
9 Apr 2008 1:33pm
I'd like to see a weather bureau which can forecast wind!
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
9 Apr 2008 1:48pm
Revhead said...

I'd like to see a weather bureau which can forecast wind!


Or create localized wind
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
9 Apr 2008 2:21pm
stribo said...

Revhead said...

I'd like to see a weather bureau which can forecast wind!


Or create localized wind


Ooh, a localised weather machine. Imagine that, a nice high on the beach (open for puns), a low 1Km offshore somewhere

Stribo for PM!
555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
9 Apr 2008 12:28pm
Mobydisc said...

T
carbon masts came out in the late 80s early 90s. Clamp on booms were popular 15 years ago or more. Monoflim sails were pretty common around 1990. Loose leaches were being used in early 90s race sails.


Errrr... ahem.. yeah.. For some reason I was thinking of the 80s..
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
9 Apr 2008 2:29pm
Totally synthetic windsurfing experience created by copying the engrams of Robby and Finian et al but you cant be bothered with them because they are competing with John Holme's engrams.
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
9 Apr 2008 12:30pm
I think stribo's new 'sphincter vent' might be in production in ten years.
I think he's still working on a small problem where it goes into the 'auto-vent' mode at random intervals, but when that's all sorted it will definitely blow the whole market sky high.
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
9 Apr 2008 2:42pm
evlPanda said...

stribo said...

Revhead said...

I'd like to see a weather bureau which can forecast wind!


Or create localized wind


Ooh, a localised weather machine. Imagine that, a nice high on the beach (open for puns), a low 1Km offshore somewhere

Stribo for PM!


The localized weather machine would be built in to the auto inflating self volume adjusting,self rigging,self tunning,sphincter vent enhanced wonder kit!!!

NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
9 Apr 2008 2:46pm
In 10 years global warming means MORE WIND and we'll be moaning about not having a deguster.

Colourful dacron sails will be the go. And less draggy sails. GPSs will be better. We'll be chasing 55 knots.
Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
9 Apr 2008 2:53pm
board shorts will be above the knee again !!
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
1492 posts
WA, 1492 posts
9 Apr 2008 1:05pm
Mobydisc said...

Sails will evolve from year to year but you will still be able to see that a 2117 Sailworks Revo is the same type of sail as the 2007 Revo.


what like a wave sail? we'll the colours still might be the same in 10 years, but they will be cool again..

They guys who still ride JP boards will still be think that Polokow only rides factory boards.

Sailboarders and Kiters will still not like each other (just like body boarders and surfers) but the world would have gone crazy with violence, so we now shoot the kites from the sky with our pocket sized rocket launchers, when they p*** us off.

But the best thing, we will be able to buy wind by the hour and strength.
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
1492 posts
WA, 1492 posts
9 Apr 2008 1:06pm
Richiefish said...

board shorts will be above the knee again !!


too late that happened this year..
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