BenKirk said..

Mark _australia said..

I think it is sad if anyone does NOT know the rules. You don't do away with the rules due to ignorance.

I think it is irresponsible if anyone does NOT know the rules.

I agree

evlPanda said..

Macroscien said..
There was time yesterday when official patrol boat stop and stood for almost an hour in the middle of our busy at the time WS KS spot carefully observing what everybody is doing (at Train G.C).

There's a 40 knot speed limit in the general Broadwater, where you were.

...I have to admit I might very well frame this speeding fine if I received it. Especially if it were a good photo.

What about offending vessel confiscation for hooning Are you happy with that also



In such case I will be happy to buy the lot on the police auction ( don't need to experiment with my own gear)


Just watch for the yellow mark post at the end of the speed run. I will not accept two pieces board

evlPanda said..

Macroscien said..
There was time yesterday when official patrol boat stop and stood for almost an hour in the middle of our busy at the time WS KS spot carefully observing what everybody is doing (at Train G.C).

There's a 40 knot speed limit in the general Broadwater, where you were.

...I have to admit I might very well frame this speeding fine if I received it. Especially if it were a good photo.

watch your mail box

Carantoc said..

I don't know - but I think it is more like 4 knot speed limit on the Broadwater.

I assume it is probably a simple typo from evlPanda, but then Macroscien accepts the 40 knots and even photoshops a 43 knots and 40 knots onto a speeding ticket.

I know it is the Gold Coast and all that, but I would have to question a 40 knot limit before I started photoshoping speed tickets for comic effect.


I think I might be getting the idea where an 8m2 in 25 knots comes from.







(2.5 knots, not 25 knots)

Carantoc said..

I don't know - but I think it is more like 4 knot speed limit on the Broadwater.

I assume it is probably a simple typo from evlPanda, but then Macroscien accepts the 40 knots and even photoshops a 43 knots and 40 knots onto a speeding ticket.

I know it is the Gold Coast and all that, but I would have to question a 40 knot limit before I started photoshoping speed tickets for comic effect.


I think I might be getting the idea where an 8m2 in 25 knots comes from.







(2.5 knots, not 25 knots)

Actually Macro is correct, and not a Panda typo, and where it isn't 40 knts it is 6knts in regulated areas, and although I would love to smash the 40 I doubt whether I will ever get an infrigement.

Beaglebuddy said..
Common problem when WSer tries to pass a KSer by sneeking past downwind and the KSer decides to boost, he's suddenly chucked DW into the WSer who can't see him at this point.

Overtaking vessel has to keep clear. So the overtaking windsurfer must keep clear. But that does not account for jumps as sailboats didn't do that years ago, so it falls back to avoiding collisions even if you have right of way.

We all look before we turn (don't we ) so they need to look before boosting. Done.

Do they, however......?

At Kanaha Maui which is the busiest spot the kiters are all segregated DW of the WSers for good reason.
???

Ahh..... if only it were true, how nice and safe that would be. Reality does not agree.

Macroscien said..

evlPanda said..

Macroscien said..
There was time yesterday when official patrol boat stop and stood for almost an hour in the middle of our busy at the time WS KS spot carefully observing what everybody is doing (at Train G.C).

There's a 40 knot speed limit in the general Broadwater, where you were.

...I have to admit I might very well frame this speeding fine if I received it. Especially if it were a good photo.

watch your mail box

Gotta catch me first.

The following is copied directly from the Kitesurfing entry in Wikipedia

Kite High Rule - A kiter who is upwind (closest to the wind) must keep their kite high to avoid their lines crossing those of downwind kiters. Similarly, the downwind kiter must keep their kite low to avoid their lines crossing upwind kites. This applies regardless of whether kiters are on the same, or opposing courses.

Clearance Rule - A kiter while jumping must have a clear safety zone of at least 50m downwind because they will move downwind during the jump. A rider must also have a clear safety zone of 30m upwind to jump as his lines could touch the kite or the lines of another rider kiteboarding close by (see Kite High rule). It's important to also consider potential hazards downwind and crosswind of the rider such as people, buildings, trees and other fixed obstacles.

Kiters are also considered as sailing vessels – so some standard sailing rules apply such as:

Starboard Rule When kiters approach from opposite directions the kiter who has the wind on the starboard (right side, right leg/arm leads in direction of travel) has right of way. The kiter who has the wind on the port side (left side, left leg/arm are leads in direction of travel) shall keep out of the way of the other. In simple terms, this means "keep right" with the kiter coming in the opposite direction passing on the left.

This seams to cover all the bases. Its a pity they are not followed universally

I have on a couple of occasions been on starboard tack heading directly toward another sailor and have chosen to go downwind of them even though I have the right to go upwind. On at least one occasion I was subplaning and didn't feel I could safely get upwind enough to stay clear of the other sailor if they held their line.
If you are on starboard tack do you have to stay upwind, or do you have the right to choose your course?

Chris6791 said..

stehsegler said..

I thought the rule was kiters always go down wind of another water user due to their lines and if they go upwind they should keep at least 1 1/2 line lengths distance to who ever is down wind.

Not really, the same starboard rule applies but the Kiter upwind needs to fly his kite high to clear the sailor coming the other way. Kiter-Kiter or Kiter-Poley can safely pass within a few feet of each other if the starboard rule applies and upwind flies high and downwind flies low.

To pass within a few feet of each other you have to make an assumption that the person upwind is competent and completely in control. Unfortunately I have sailed with enough incompetent kiters that unless I know them or have been watching them I will stay out of striking distance downwind. Fortunately I don't sail where its crowded but if I was on port with a line of unknown kiters crossing me upwind it would be very hard to pick my way through the line upwind.
Alot of the kiters I have sailed with will also let me pass upwind on port if it is gonna be close for safety. But this can add to the confusion.

DunkO said..

Windxtasy said...
I have on a couple of occasions been on starboard tack heading directly toward another sailor and have chosen to go downwind of them even though I have the right to go upwind. On at least one occasion I was subplaning and didn't feel I could safely get upwind enough to stay clear of the other sailor if they held their line.
If you are on starboard tack do you have to stay upwind, or do you have the right to choose your course?

Neither, you maintain your coarse and the vessel on port alters theirs

Not completely correct. Yes, the default is that you maintain your course (Rule 17(a)(i)), but you are allowed to alter your course to avoid a collision "as soon it as it becomes apparent to her that the vessel required to keep out of the way is not taking appropriate action in compliance with these Rules". (Rule 17(a)(ii)). And 17(b) "When, from any cause, the vessel required to keep her course and speed finds herself so close that collision cannot be avoided by the action of the give-way vessel alone, she shall take such action as will best aid to avoid collision."

Rule 8 also says "(b) Any alteration of course and/or speed to avoid collision shall, if the circumstances of the case
admit, be large enough to be readily apparent to another vessel observing visually or by radar; a succession of small alterations of course and/or speed should be avoided."

If you have made a change of course well before there is a risk of collision, then the starboard rule doesn't even have to come into play.

What you have done is fine, as long as your change in direction is going to be readily apparent to the other sailor and is done in good time.

2 more rules to consider - any vessel must give way to a vessel - restricted in ability to manouver & a vessel constrained by drought .

modi said..

2 more rules to consider - any vessel must give way to a vessel - restricted in ability to manouver & a vessel constrained by drought .

I'm assuming it's cars that would have to give way..

evlPanda said..
I'd hate to be a beginner and reading this thread.If in doubt give way

Bad advice. If both bear away they hit. If both round up, they hit.
Beginners NEED to read this and simply realise there ARE rules and they should investigate.
Seems one particular sport does not believe in them and the beginners to intermediates are oblivious.