Should kiters be banned from poley speed-strips ?

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Mark _australia
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8 Feb 2009 8:00pm
kitecrazzzy said...

you guys can't steer/swerve at 35 knots???


Are you serious?

No of course we can't.

FWIW, I doubt a kiter can move much on a speed run at that kinda speed.

Even if we could steer and avoid a collision most of the time then would you still wanna kite straight across the speed run??????
If so, how about you stand on the highway and I will throw a windsurf board at you as I drive past at 70kph. We'll do that 10 times in an afternoon. You will know it is coming but you wanna take the risk you can duck?

windwarning
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8 Feb 2009 10:56pm
should have signs with windsurf only zones on em or kiters get a fine .
fozzy
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8 Feb 2009 11:03pm
windwarning said...

should have signs with windsurf only zones on em or kiters get a fine .


So should the same apply in return. There seems to be so much hate from the WS community against kiters I really don't get it. Surprising as I windsurfed for 8 years before taking up kiting and never saw it amongst the WSurfers that I mixed with.

The point here though windwarning, is at my regular spot 4 windsurfers have suddenly decided to start windsurfing bang in the middle of all of the kiters. Now I figure we'll just work around each other. Based on your theory though, this is OUR area and the windsurfers should cop a fine. Or is yours a case of do as I say not as I do.

decrepit
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8 Feb 2009 10:03pm
Fozzy,

Not far from Novara is a nice little wave, windsurfers and kiters have been sharing this for a while now, amongst the locals there's no more friction between kiters and windsurfers as there is between windsurfers & windsurfers or kiters & kiters. The friction arises more when visitors of either discipline arrive and don't follow common courtesy.
We can get along because we're all doing a similar thing.
But with speed sailing, it's different, windsurfers are going about 130/140 degrees, mixing this with others going at 90degrees who aren't aware of the consequent collision course, and don't watch out for it, is very dangerous.
It's almost as dangerous if the "others" are windsurfers, but they are usually easier to steer around, they aren't boosting for a start, (a speed run doesn't have any ramps), and they only take up 2meters or so, not up to 50metres.

I don't think banning is in anybody's interests, it should be easy enough to negotiate a safe working understanding, where everybody gets a slice of the cake.
It's just a few of the other places in WA that windsurfers used to speed sail at are now almost unusable because of the influx of kiters, that's why there can be such an emotional response.

This is not helped by a lot of kiters attitude (especially some of the young ones), that windsurfing is out of date, only good for old fogies (true in my case) and not deserving of any respect or consideration.
windwarning
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9 Feb 2009 12:13am
fozzy dude,we were here before the kitesurfers. we were windsurfing when they were in nappies. some of us our parents windsurfed out grand parents, great great grand parents windsurfed. we own it you cant take the beach from us. our name is writing on it.

you guys stole st kilda and its now called kite beach thats naughty i say.
fozzy
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8 Feb 2009 11:52pm
Decrepit, I take your point and I agree with what your saying in relation to speed strips. I would like to think that the kiters concerned would have the sense to give a little room but I guess there are going to be ignorant people regardless of the sport.

My remarks were more of a general nature as opposed to referring specifically to speed strips. (I realise this was the title of the thread but it seems to have digressed slightly anyway) I don't venture across to the WS Forum very often but when I do and there are comments on kiters, there is rarely anything positive to say. I guess as I have done both sports I have a good understanding of each and don't find it particularly difficult to make it work, regardless of who's on the water.

Perhaps it's all just friendly rivalry but it reads as more. I think those that have the most to say against the others are generally the most ignorant, whether they be windsurfers commenting on kiters or vice versa.

Anyway, I'll take my cue before I'm told and head back to the boardie over wetsuit wearing crew. Stay cool.
Pointman
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8 Feb 2009 10:31pm
fozzy said...

windwarning said...

should have signs with windsurf only zones on em or kiters get a fine .


So should the same apply in return. There seems to be so much hate from the WS community against kiters I really don't get it. Surprising as I windsurfed for 8 years before taking up kiting and never saw it amongst the WSurfers that I mixed with.



It's got nothing to do with hate. It's got a lot to do with courtesy, respect and safety (for both kiters & windsurfers...noone is going to come out too flash in a high speed collision ).

Notwithstanding the humorous tone of the Slave's original post, which was unquestionably well written and quite witty, there is a serious issue here. The rise of speedsailing means that there is going to be more and more locations where windsurfers going broad and fast can potentially come into contact with kiters sailing across the breeze. In Perth now I can think of at least four locations in the Metro area where this is potentially a a serious issue.

I for one have no problem sharing the waterways with kiters if they display some respect and awareness of other water users. The first two kiters during my Woodies sesh exemplified this cooperation. I do have an issue with kiters who think it is perfectly OK to launch into a massive boost without stopping to look around and see if they are likely to infringe on anyone else's space on the water.

A little courtesy and consideration....is that so much to ask??

elmo
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8 Feb 2009 10:37pm
Peoples one and all

Waveslave in his usual unique way has once again raised a valid question in response to a thread which I posted on the Kite forum about and indecent and a location and I for one laud him for it, well done mate

In answer to your question WS I personally Do Not want to see kiting banned anywhere.

I sail with kiters and windsurfers, a lot of my mates kitesurf and I've been know to have a blast when a bunch of the Perth Riffraff kiting crew come down for a play and I end up being the only Poley out, It doesn't stop the buzz.

I have yet to see a patch of water or a wave with my name on, that being said, I haven't seen anyone else's name on them either.

My thread was designed to point out that the area which we speed sail in Novara is hazardous for Kiting, sh1t in all honesty it's F'ken hazardous for windsurfers as well as Hardies near catastrophic accident of Friday demonstrated.

The other point I wanted to put across was the lack of attention and total ignorance of some people to other sailing around them.

I Screamed out at the top of my lungs (my throat was sore 2 days later) a fowl mouthed diatribe at a kiter to get his attention to avoid a collision whilst doing what I could to avoid it, thankful he heard me and finally realized there was someone else out there on the water with him and thus managed to avoid a collision.

Now I'll be brutally honest here, I've blown the sh1T out of more windsurfers than I have Kiters (haven't I Hardie) when they have decided to charge direction rapidly on a run which then require extreme evasive tactics to avoid a collision.

So back to the original post, Polies and teabaggers should be able to share the water, what it takes is a mutual respect and understanding of what the other can and can't do.

Speed sailing What is it?
Speed sailing in reality is (semi) controlled lunacy

In relation to speed sailing most people both windsurfers and kiters think they know what it is involved with speed sailing, the reality is they have no idea what is truly speed sailing.

Most people think that speed sailing is simply blasting back and forth fast, it's not.

You start out by finding the flattest water on the windiest day and then go as fast as you can.

Great good job, now go back to your car pack up your gear and rig a much bigger sail a slalom sail. Put away that wave board , get a fast freeride or slalom board, put a pointer on it.

Go out again and go as fast as you can

Great good job, but you are still going square to the wind, you'll never go fast like that.

Start bearing away, wow you are going faster now cool still not fast enough though.

Start bearing away even more, damn the sails running out of grunt.
Back to the car, Rig an even bigger sail.

Woo hoo we're going quick now but the fins offering to much drag, back to the car put a smaller one on the board.

Now start bearing of the wind even more, oh that's interesting having the wind come over your rear shoulder rather than straight behind you.

Wow we're now going down wind over the back of chop with a small fin skipping from chop to chop.

We want to go quicker still, time for the speed board, time for some absorbent undies.

You fire this puppy up and let it fly it feels like you are sliding on ice, flying down wind, skipping over chop with a f'ken big sail and a skinny little board designed for going fast in a straight line praying that you don't cavitate the tiny fin under your feet whilst trying to hang onto a sail which is trying all the time to launch you as far away from it as possible.

You see the gust of death coming for you just down the run, do you stand up or do you go, you've taken that big can of HTFU before you've gone out, you lean back into the harness even more, you trim the board flat and you point further down wind and with a big grin on your face (Huey hates to see fear) you wait for the acceleration.

The gust is worst than you thought when it hit's, Oh Blessed mother of acceleration "I'm gonna die" you hang on a grit you teeth some more, and on occasion clench your freckle a bit tighter.
You come out the back of the run heart running a million miles an hour, you've survived.
You've done it!!! a new personal best it's taken you over 6 months to do it, a YYYYYyeeeeeehhhhhhhaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh escapes your mouth

The next run you will do it all again and try to go even faster

Unfortunately good speed sailing days where all the planets of wind, tides and availability align are rare, True PB days only happen 2 maybe 3 times a year.

What you generally see is the speed sailors training, honing the skills, reactions and equipment for those few special days when they can exceed what they have previously done.

Speed gear is designed for one thing, Going fast in a straight line, not going around corners, not dealing with chop, and mostly for not being easy to slow down, this gear wants to go fast and it doesn't give a F**k if you don't want to.

With speed gear you can't be half pregnant it's not forgiving you ride it like it's meant to be ridden or you don't ride it all, because if you don't it will bite you. That said it's pretty special when they light up for you.

Speed sailing (both kiting and windsurfing) is only done by dedicated obsessive loonies.
We go out on the windiest day with the biggest sails, the smallest boars and fins we can hang onto, if we can't hang onto the sail quite often weight jackets come out to help hang onto the power which we need to go faster.
We go out with the knowledge that we could have a big of and that of is very likely to injure us, but still we do it and push it harder.

Every other sailor out there be they Kiter or Windsurfer, wave rider freestyler or freerider will generally sail within their limitations and rig for the conditions.
If the wave is to big, they'll chicken gybe or if then conditions look beyond their capabilities. This is not belittling these disciplines far from it it is showing respect for common sense of these sailors.

Speed sailing however is about exceeding personal limitations and forever pushing your boundaries, it's not easy, it's generally not comfortable (I've shat myself figuratively speaking on quite a few runs) it's very personal as you are constantly racing yourself, but when you do it right it's immensely rewarding.


As speed sailors we do try to keep out of trouble as the speeds we travel when things go wrong it hurts a lot both physically and financially.
Due to the nature of the gear which we sail with we can't react quickly and we cover a lot of distance in a short amount of time.

Nobody owns any particular patch of water.

And Wavey

In regards to your solution, when you want to let go of your gear and bail when you are traveling in excess of 30knots I'll take my hat of to you.

However what you have then is gear still whistling down the course traveling at +30knots which is now without anyone controlling it.

In regards to my issue which you've taken the piss out of (which is fair enough)

I tried pointing my gear up wind as much as I could I managed to wash of 3knots of speed when the guy started pointing further up wind, I started bellowing 50-100m away from him and finished my sentence after I passed him (you can see what I shouted).

It's not like they didn't know where were sailing as we were there long before they turned up and the lines we were taking.

Sailing at 45º to the flow of speed sailing is either lunacy, ignorance either way it's an accident waiting to happen.

Oh well that's my lot on the subject

Good winds to everyone

Have fun out there and play nicely
elmo
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8 Feb 2009 11:01pm
Just as a side note regarding speeds

Most people(unless they use GPS) who think they sail at +30 knots haven't.

Out in the open water to go 30+ there are only a small few who can achieve this it's f'ken hard to do.

In chop 30+ is achievable but still very hard to do.

Flat water Chop less than 12" 30's possible, mid 30's you have to work for, mid to high 30"s is very hard work.

40+ is just F'ken hard and something most of us will never achieve (but that doesn't stop us trying).

GPS tells no lies, speedsailing is fun but hard graft.

http://gpsteamchallenge.com.au/rankings/individual
Bender
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8 Feb 2009 11:04pm
Well put Elmo
Now i understand why i like scaring the clackers out of myself and keep wanting more.

I could not have put it into words any better.
pierrec45
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9 Feb 2009 3:41am
> we own it you cant take the beach from us. our name is writing on it

This is soooo retard. Either you're joking, or you're a kiter that is secretly trying to make windsurfers sound like mental midgets. Which is it?
windwarning
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9 Feb 2009 8:58am
pierrec45 said...

> we own it you cant take the beach from us. our name is writing on it

This is soooo retard. Either you're joking, or you're a kiter that is secretly trying to make windsurfers sound like mental midgets. Which is it?



look my friend you look like a old timer you should be able to understand. windsurfers do own the beach we have rights before kiters read the rules my friend. kiters haha there all like techno kids age 18 who were in nappies while we were windsurfing hahaha
NotWal
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9 Feb 2009 2:55pm
windwarning said...

pierrec45 said...

> we own it you cant take the beach from us. our name is writing on it

This is soooo retard. Either you're joking, or you're a kiter that is secretly trying to make windsurfers sound like mental midgets. Which is it?



look my friend you look like a old timer you should be able to understand. windsurfers do own the beach we have rights before kiters read the rules my friend. kiters haha there all like techno kids age 18 who were in nappies while we were windsurfing hahaha


Nope. Kiters, windsurfers, we're all people and we have equal rights. We just have to get along.
airush geoff
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9 Feb 2009 2:09pm
NotWal said...

windwarning said...

pierrec45 said...

> we own it you cant take the beach from us. our name is writing on it

This is soooo retard. Either you're joking, or you're a kiter that is secretly trying to make windsurfers sound like mental midgets. Which is it?



look my friend you look like a old timer you should be able to understand. windsurfers do own the beach we have rights before kiters read the rules my friend. kiters haha there all like techno kids age 18 who were in nappies while we were windsurfing hahaha


Nope. Kiters, windsurfers, we're all people and we have equal rights. We just have to get along.



Well said Notwal- more of this attitude from both sides will see everyone happy
ka43
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9 Feb 2009 4:12pm
Elmo for PM
FlickySpinny
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9 Feb 2009 2:39pm
Windwarning = armchair wannabe windsurfer and troll.

Ignore him, he's just trying to cause trouble.
hardie
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9 Feb 2009 2:47pm
Brilliant Elmo.........Your post says it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no time to react in many circumstances, so precaution and prevention is the best cure. Let us loonies do our thing safely, and we'll help you guyz out where ever we can (That's both windsurfers who aspire to be loonies or windsurfers that windsurf near speedsailors, and kiters) cause it is all about SAFETY!!!!!!!!!


One of the thingz that wasn't mentioned by Elmo is when you are on one of those mad runs, and you see someone 200 mtetres up ahead across your line, you have to start bailing out then, and the person can't understand why they're getting abused??? Cause even when a speedsailor is 200 metres away (200 mts is travelled in less than 10secs at speed), when you cross their line, it's run over, it's TOO UNSAFE TO CONTINUE!!! So you abandon the run.
Miss Jessie
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9 Feb 2009 4:54pm
haha....
I should come read the Windsurfing thread more often! Hey i'm a kiter and i've never herd us refered to as Teabaggers... tho it rings a bell- haha I love it!!
But onto the topic-
I cant remember a thread of kiters abusing windsurfers, I'm sure there's been one but not that I can remember (is there a shorter version of windsurfer? or is it just polies?)
Anyway I used to kite at south cott groin with the local WS's there and they were aws blokes used to launch and land me and give me a wave out on the water. Spose they were not speed sailing tho, (elmo your one addicted bugger-dont you get bored of just going fast??) So yeah I used to just kited a few metres below there tack and everything worked.
But that said there was a WS'r out at woodies one day who stayed in shallow in front of where everyone lands and launches there kites and the learners take off-and boy he was in everyones way!
But I've also had kiters boost infront of me and into my kite length!
Anyway the point is yep there are some D*** out there in both sports-how do we re-educate them to look outside their little field of vision and make it safer for everyone?
mkseven
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9 Feb 2009 4:06pm
We developed a method for dealing with this at Wello... High Speed Chicken. The theory is your more than likely fatter and pointy boards coming fast towards you is more scary than someone dangling on a bit of rope.

It doesn't always work tho- my courage deserted me a few weeks ago and I abandoned ship. Upon chasing down kiter and speaking my rather annoyed state of mind, I turned around and realised it was a chick
Waiting4wind
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9 Feb 2009 5:18pm
I have had incidents with Boats and Jet skis who will under estimate your rate of approach when you're doing 30 + kts. They'll see you coming across their path and accelerate to get out of your way and then realise they aren't going to make it, then panic.

I've been chatting to some of our local sailors and we are planing to put up some notices regarding safe sailing and etiquette, for sailors and non sailors. eg. right of way rules, leaving sails unattended on windy days and general considerations for sailors, kiters and other beach users. Helping people to be aware is the only solution.

I attended the last Mambo Classic event in Merimbula and I was surprised how well everyone was behaved on the water. Even in an onshore breeze with about 80 kiters and as many sailboards on the water, it was like Pitt St (very busy), but it all worked. Everyone stayed aware of the traffic and made an effort to work with the flow. It was proof that all parties can co-exist.
snides8
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9 Feb 2009 5:32pm
i recon no one hates kites being on a speed course more than i do..how ever there are long established rules or collision regs that should/must be applied here before we let emotion run away with things.

there are some basic rules to the road/waterway that should be remembered.
listed below are some of those in no particular order in my own words..

the first 1(most common) is the port/starboard rule- this is clear cut,the vessel that is on starboard has right of way over the vessel that is on port..i.e if your right hand is forward on the boom,or the wind is coming over your right shoulder you are on starboard tack and thus have right of way and shouldnt alter course unless a collision is iminent.(if you have to alter couse then you do so to starboard)

another rule iss overtaking boat must stay clear for example in the case of a speeding windsufer on starboard tack running deep off the wind say at hardies who happens to see a kite sailing on the same tack but at a different angle the windsurfer must stay clear of the kite either sailing to windward or to leeward of the slower kite.

vessel to windward must stay clear of the vessel to leeward if they are both going the same way,ie on the same tack-similar case as above
the vessel to leeward has right of way.

so you can see when a windsurfer is sailing a speed course and its a starboard course and the other vessel is on the course(also on starboard) you dont have many rights at all.
of couse these are just the basic rules that should only be required if common sense fails.
this is my take on things and is my opinion only...
i still hate the barrrsturds!
NotWal
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9 Feb 2009 7:43pm
There's a fundamental problem with the starboard rule. That is it is opposite to the road traffic convention. The road traffic convention i.e. pass by the left, will be the default resort of the newby. There is no way to know if an imminent collider knows the colregs and if he doesn't he will most likely do the opposite.

What this means is there are no practical collision avoidance procedures apart from giving every other water user lots of room.
Pointman
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9 Feb 2009 6:45pm
Snides there's another important rule you forgot to mention...a vessel in transition (tacking, gybing or boosting ) must ensure that they can do so without impinging on another vessels path or trajectory. In this instance the vessel in transition (which is on neither port nor starboard) must give way, or ensure that they make that transition without interfering with others!
snides8
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9 Feb 2009 7:09pm
Pointman said...

Snides there's another important rule you forgot to mention...a vessel in transition (tacking, gybing or boosting ) must ensure that they can do so without impinging on another vessels path or trajectory. In this instance the vessel in transition (which is on neither port nor starboard) must give way, or ensure that they make that transition without interfering with others!


yep i agree pointman unless that craft is manouvering due to a hazard i.e tacking to clear rocks etc.....(i know you are specificaly talking about boosting and agree 100per cent)anyway there are lots of other rules as well also concerning power craft etc
i certantly dont know them all and never will all i wanted to do was point out in most cases 'we' dont have too many options if kiters choose to sail our speed courses other than that of polite diplomacy.
how you go banning them is an interesting 1, imo it will never happen..

and,heaven forbid if i am wrong, then beware it can work both ways

NotWal
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9 Feb 2009 8:21pm
elmo said...

Speed sailing What is it?
Speed sailing in reality is (semi) controlled lunacy

In relation to speed sailing most people both windsurfers and kiters think they know what it is involved with speed sailing, the reality is they have no idea what is truly speed sailing.

Most people think that speed sailing is simply blasting back and forth fast, it's not.

You start out by finding the flattest water on the windiest day and then go as fast as you can.

Great good job, now go back to your car pack up your gear and rig a much bigger sail a slalom sail. Put away that wave board , get a fast freeride or slalom board, put a pointer on it.

Go out again and go as fast as you can

Great good job, but you are still going square to the wind, you'll never go fast like that.

Start bearing away, wow you are going faster now cool still not fast enough though.

Start bearing away even more, damn the sails running out of grunt.
Back to the car, Rig an even bigger sail.

Woo hoo we're going quick now but the fins offering to much drag, back to the car put a smaller one on the board.

Now start bearing of the wind even more, oh that's interesting having the wind come over your rear shoulder rather than straight behind you.

Wow we're now going down wind over the back of chop with a small fin skipping from chop to chop.

We want to go quicker still, time for the speed board, time for some absorbent undies.

You fire this puppy up and let it fly it feels like you are sliding on ice, flying down wind, skipping over chop with a f'ken big sail and a skinny little board designed for going fast in a straight line praying that you don't cavitate the tiny fin under your feet whilst trying to hang onto a sail which is trying all the time to launch you as far away from it as possible.

You see the gust of death coming for you just down the run, do you stand up or do you go, you've taken that big can of HTFU before you've gone out, you lean back into the harness even more, you trim the board flat and you point further down wind and with a big grin on your face (Huey hates to see fear) you wait for the acceleration.

The gust is worst than you thought when it hit's, Oh Blessed mother of acceleration "I'm gonna die" you hang on a grit you teeth some more, and on occasion clench your freckle a bit tighter.
You come out the back of the run heart running a million miles an hour, you've survived.
You've done it!!! a new personal best it's taken you over 6 months to do it, a YYYYYyeeeeeehhhhhhhaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh escapes your mouth

The next run you will do it all again and try to go even faster

Unfortunately good speed sailing days where all the planets of wind, tides and availability align are rare, True PB days only happen 2 maybe 3 times a year.

What you generally see is the speed sailors training, honing the skills, reactions and equipment for those few special days when they can exceed what they have previously done.

Speed gear is designed for one thing, Going fast in a straight line, not going around corners, not dealing with chop, and mostly for not being easy to slow down, this gear wants to go fast and it doesn't give a F**k if you don't want to.

With speed gear you can't be half pregnant it's not forgiving you ride it like it's meant to be ridden or you don't ride it all, because if you don't it will bite you. That said it's pretty special when they light up for you.

Speed sailing (both kiting and windsurfing) is only done by dedicated obsessive loonies.
We go out on the windiest day with the biggest sails, the smallest boars and fins we can hang onto, if we can't hang onto the sail quite often weight jackets come out to help hang onto the power which we need to go faster.
We go out with the knowledge that we could have a big of and that of is very likely to injure us, but still we do it and push it harder.

Every other sailor out there be they Kiter or Windsurfer, wave rider freestyler or freerider will generally sail within their limitations and rig for the conditions.
If the wave is to big, they'll chicken gybe or if then conditions look beyond their capabilities. This is not belittling these disciplines far from it it is showing respect for common sense of these sailors.

Speed sailing however is about exceeding personal limitations and forever pushing your boundaries, it's not easy, it's generally not comfortable (I've shat myself figuratively speaking on quite a few runs) it's very personal as you are constantly racing yourself, but when you do it right it's immensely rewarding.

As speed sailors we do try to keep out of trouble as the speeds we travel when things go wrong it hurts a lot both physically and financially.
Due to the nature of the gear which we sail with we can't react quickly and we cover a lot of distance in a short amount of time.




What a gem.
KitingCasey
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9 Feb 2009 10:24pm
no, if poleys have 'zero' manoeuvrability in high winds then your the ones that shouldnt be out there period!
rscaife
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9 Feb 2009 9:49pm
It would seem like fairly common sense that kiters should stay out of speedzones the same way windsurfers should avoid kite areas. At pelican point the latter is no longer the case. The kiters have been squeezed into the no-kiting/wildlife zone. In addition to contending with beginner and speed windsurfers who occasionally also venture into this no-go zone, the kiters have to share the landing zone with cyclists and joggers who use the path installed by the backward thinking council (remember, however, these are the same clever people who installed 5 speed bumps and two miniature round-abouts on a 500 meter stretch of road along a cemetery-in case anyone was bothered or endangered by the cars driving by).
In other words, things are far from perfect, but lets just try to make it work by being tolerant and considerate of others.
nebbian
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9 Feb 2009 9:50pm
KitingCasey said...

no, if poleys have 'zero' manoeuvrability in high winds then your the ones that shouldnt be out there period!


This isn't about poleys vs kiters, this is about people not looking where they are going, and what's about to hit them.

If I followed the path of that kiter then I'm sure that Elmo would give me just as much abuse (and rightfully so!).

What is it with kiters who can't read?
MintoxGT
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9 Feb 2009 10:03pm
nebbian said...

KitingCasey said...

no, if poleys have 'zero' manoeuvrability in high winds then your the ones that shouldnt be out there period!


This isn't about poleys vs kiters, this is about people not looking where they are going, and what's about to hit them.

If I followed the path of that kiter then I'm sure that Elmo would give me just as much abuse (and rightfully so!).

What is it with kiters who can't read?


OMFG!
Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
10 Feb 2009 10:00am
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......elmo


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