In my own opinion, I would think the ideal spectrum for a taka 3 is between 4.5 and 5.0. I would go Elite in 5.7 and 4.2 and probably 5 battens below 4.2, the extra weight is not that dramatic and had some stability and wind range.
Larger than 5.7, a lot of tissue to stabilise so I would go with the zeta also, I'm 72Kg, so bigger sailors might move that spectrum a bit. ;-) hovever, ezzy make similar power sail, I would not switch model as easy in some other brand.

NordRoi said..
In my own opinion, I would think the ideal spectrum for a taka 3 is between 4.5 and 5.0. I would go Elite in 5.7 and 4.2 and probably 5 battens below 4.2, the extra weight is not that dramatic and had some stability and wind range.
Larger than 5.7, a lot of tissue to stabilise so I would go with the zeta also, I'm 72Kg, so bigger sailors might move that spectrum a bit. ;-) hovever, ezzy make similar power sail, I would not switch model as easy in some other brand.

All good thoughts, you did read the OP has chosen the Legacy ..? Their is more to the sail difference than weight and number of battens.

there is certainly some merit for 5 B Tiger, having better range and stability. my 6.1 Elite I felt as good as the Panther LTD, which morphed into the Tiger, my quiver then consisted of a 5.9, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2 and 6.5. These were very different sails. The 5.9 6.0 remain.6.5 replaced with a 7.0.

My sails would probably vary from what I have , if I didn't have a closely spaced quiver. I would desire more range, as in the Tiger.
maybe...

ChinookRandD,

The funny thing is, I was going to get the 5.3 Taka2 sail, but my shop was sold out of the ones that were on sale, so my next choice was the 5.2 Legacy. Since Klamath Lake is the main place I sail, I now think the Legacy is the better choice. The Legacy in the 5.2 is like the Tiger, but without the bells and whistles, and less expensive.

He may be right about the Taka, though I have heard good things about the new Taka3. You almost can't go wrong with newer sails these days. Like I said, to me it's all about differences in feel. For instance that constant, steady pull that is a trademark Ezzy is not my cup of tea. Sure I appreciate the decent wind range but I like a much looser more pivotal feel. It's really great if you can try things first, but not always possible. That's why it's good when you can read between the lines of peoples opinions & get a sense of how a sail will feel in your hands. It's always helpful when sailors describe how a sail pulls & give an idea of the wind range compared to others rather than make judgments based on pre-concieved notions of batten count etc ...

Magic Ride said..
ChinookRandD,

The funny thing is, I was going to get the 5.3 Taka2 sail, but my shop was sold out of the ones that were on sale, so my next choice was the 5.2 Legacy. Since Klamath Lake is the main place I sail, I now think the Legacy is the better choice. The Legacy in the 5.2 is like the Tiger, but without the bells and whistles, and less expensive.

Perhaps something to be said if the Taka was sold out, reference its performance in The US NW.

CHINOOK R n D, the KS 3 has some of the best positive reviews I have seen of late.
The first generation Taka IMO , is a very good sail.

your remark on discounting a sail , because it has X number of battens is true, and I wonder if the impression is based on a actual ride or what seems logical.

Yes, David said the the initial designs of both Elite and Taka, have taught him quite a bit, so that knowledge goes into,thefurther development of those sails.

regards battens the HSM, SO, had if I remember had 6 b, I wonder how it would feel back to back with a KS3?

Just received my Ezzy 5.2 Legacy sail. This is my first brand new Ezzy sail and I'm stoked!!! Yes the mast pad and tack pulley is built into the sail now. It also looks like they beefed the sail up with higher quality fabric for 2016.

Hey notwal,

Can we be any more crankier! The Legacy is still the cheaper sail of the bunch. You should know that products always gets better over time. That's just life. Come on now!!

I would put your trust in David Ezzy. He makes great products, and he is known for his attention to detail, and where he sees an improvement necessary, he will tackle it. Heck, adding the mast tack pulley just made downhauling a Legacy that much easier. Who is gonna complain about that. Oh I forgot, you are! And the mast pad now. Hey I'm grateful!

Magic Ride said..
I would put your trust in David Ezzy. He makes great products, and he is known for his attention to detail, and where he sees an improvement necessary, he will tackle it. Heck, adding the mast tack pulley just made downhauling a Legacy that much easier. Who is gonna complain about that. Oh I forgot, you are! And the mast pad now. Hey I'm grateful!

Easier than easy enough? You should take up kiting if that's your criterion.

Magic Ride said..
You're missing my point here, All I'm saying is that this is all about convenience. What does kiteboarding have to do with this? Windsurfing is much more attractive to me than kiting is. Still not on the same page with you on this. I mean look at it this way, windsurfing in the 1980s and windsurfing up to date. The equipment is so much user friendly. You can't deny that. So in other words, the Legacy just became a more user friendly sail.

He is attacking your physche with remarks to kiting.
His discussion about a pulley on a wave sail being a waste of money is pretty well unfounded, a fair number of sailors would find it extremely useful.
he obviously feels it's an needless feature that can be done without. Good for him, all that weight savings on his sails to gloat over.

according to David the tack strap s function is to tension the edge of the foot, it also tensions the lower leach, it also servers as a ruler, and yes holds the sail when rolled up.

few designers have over the years been as consistent in making most sailors happy, and for more than a year or 2, with the construction details.

Details would be fine. Explain what you mean by a "no frills" sail?

So what does a frills sail look like?

From what I'm hearing is, frill and no frill sails are very old school sails, or state of mind, however which way that's interpreted. Still waiting for Nutwal to give me the lowdown here.

You guys have lost the plot. You're not following. I previously said this:

I liked the idea of a no frills sail. "Gets better over time" is a value judgement that seems to be a substitute for abandoning the brief and joining the throng of more or less generic sails in the market place. To me "gets better over time" means performs better for longer without being repellently ugly or heavy while maintaining the no frills brief.

That pretty much eliminates all your kind suggestions.

Back to the critique:
A downhaul pulley is not more user friendly in a wave sail. It just isn't. It's not more convenient.
It's slightly less convenient to thread.
It's a little more expensive.
It raises the foot of the sail from the deck if you don't take extra design measures to counter that. And that involves cutting a piece out of the tack leaving the foot untensioned so now you need a tack strap to compensate.
It offers no real advantage.

With a cringle you lead through it twice. You only have to use 1 sheave in the extension pulley. It's quicker and simpler and it's not at all difficult.
I have an Ezzy 7.2 that I rig that way on a 460 and I'm just a skinny little girl who enjoys poetry, crochet and long walks on the beach.

The only time you need a pulley on a sail is when you need the additional mechanical advantage for sails with a lot of tension, typically race sails. As soon as you NEED more than 2x mechanical advantage a cringle doesn't work. Even then many race sails of the past just used a simple stainless rectangular dohicky with three tracks for the rope. It was very shallow and it was taped onto the tack with no tack cut outs to bugger up the foot tension, and they set close to the deck. They would still be adequate for all but the most highly tensioned sails and they would simplify the tack support.

Now to that otherwise unnecessary tack strap that gets in the way when stowing your downhaul line, that you have to wind around your extension because it's long enough to keep your sail rolled, that distorts the tack if you don't have a seat for a tack strap on your extension, that you forget to undo when derigging before releasing downhaul tension so you have to retension to undo. That one. It has a scale on it, whoopdy ****in doo. Now you can measure the umm.. err... length of your fin when you're rigging. There are better ways to keep a sail rolled than by using a long tack strap but since it's there it's probably cheaper than alternatives so I give it a grudging "no frills" pass but a "dweeberous" fail.

Foot pad no frills? It's moot. If you have a clip on pad it's unnecessary but no one seems to use those these days so if you can't get those then it's functional.

Arguably decoration does not fit the "no frills" brief but sails can look dead boring without a bit of colour. Just keep it simple and minimal.