I guess that would have to be part of the consideration when chosing the location and timing. Not that familiar with Qld's conditions in November. I wouldnt be suprised to see the different disciplines splitting at some stage.

Don't know about running multiple qualification rounds of 20km races, would work for surfing and BOP though.

The SUP community needs to develop an attitude of gratitude, and give constructive thanks to the people that are trying to grow this sport.

"knowing that every step forward is a step toward achieving something bigger and better than our current situation"

Thank you to all the people that are working hard to develop this sport!

JonesySUP said...
The SUP community needs to develop an attitude of gratitude, and give constructive thanks to the people that are trying to grow this sport.

"knowing that every step forward is a step toward achieving something bigger and better than our current situation"

Thank you to all the people that are working hard to develop this sport!

this a sup forum to discuss relative sup topics. the 12'6 v 14' distance debate is intertwined with any race atm. i'm impressed with the thought that has go into some replies. it shows people care.

you are confusing discussion of classes etc as criticism of sa.

then the time comes i'm sure sa will get many thanks.

Just for clarity,

The racing can be done at anytime of the year and the Elite BOP racers love big conditions so why cant the event date be changed to July / August to get more contestable surfing conditions?

Come on Angi, we know what you girls really think - size DOES matter.

I have been following this Topic since it started as I am interested in how people see competetion as a necessary part of being involved with the ocean. Of course there will always be people who have a competitive nature and others who would rather not compete or are just "average". What is interesting to me is the regular queries on how to grow the sport and get more people involved. Many thoughts have been put forward.
There is a regular thread that I notice arising in this and other similar forums. In this topic I note, in several places, where "elite" and "seeded" competitors are mentioned. This very thing is off putting to a lot of people. There are very few people who will become "elite" or "seeded". If these people are so good, why do they go in towards the final rounds. If they are that good they should be starting in the first rounds and making their way to the finals just like an "unseeded" or "non elite" paddler would have to do. This would give the lower ranked paddler something to aspire to and a more even spread of competition. Who knows Johnny NoName may even beat one of these guys or girls. This is just my opinion of course, but after being involved in lots of sports over many years one thing that sticks out is that a newcomer or base level competitor doesn't want to feel inferior or an underachiever.
If you want to "grow" something then the best thing to do is make it accessible to all, welcome all, affordable to all, fun for all, equitable to all and definitely never pack up and be going home before everyone has finished, as has happened in the past. Prices, if offered, should be spread through the field so as to encourage all participants.
ET.

Hey Woody,

I believe the point being made is not that she is being disqualified but that there is no Junior Competition in Australia for boys or girls at this time there for they compete in Open Womens and Open Mens Comps.

If they compete in Open division it doesn't provide a junior ranking.

Sean we will change that in Vicco, there is specific focus being put into juniors for surfing and racing and SUP Vic is fully behind the junior development program.

This summer there will be plenty of juniors rocking sup.

Phill

in the last two years it seemed that boards sizes were all settled -14' ocean, 12'6 'bop'.

brands and the sup public knew where things were going and planned for the future.


now in the third year the isa, sa and lobby groups have decided 12'6 is now 'it'.

in that time unlimited- dead, 14' now appears to be on the culling list too


its hard for me to get my head around all this.


does this mean manufacturers will drop their 14' boards too and eventually only produce 12'6 boards


jenny craig will do well whether you need to or not


still should be a event. love it if they opened up the racing.

Hi Guys

I know that the time of the event has more to do with the ISA worlds being in April and Surfing Australia wanting to have their Nationals closer to this event as it is the selection event for the Australian Team.

It is a shame that you can only attend the nationals by making the State team, but it makes sense given the nature of the event.

As far as the board length goes. From what I understand, the 12'6 has been choosen as the elite divsion length for male and female because this is what ISA wants. As Angie has pointed out it is much easier to transport 12'6 around the country and the world - especially to Peru. We struggle in Perth to fill our 12'6 events as most paddlers are on 14'. This is the same in most States except Queensland as far as I know. There is no conspiracy involved, just practicality in terms of selecting 12'6 as the elite board. (The Doctor Race had a 12'6 and 14' division and the big names brought over 14' and there was only one 12'6 entered!)

It should be an awesome event. Fantastic that we now have a stand alone Nationla event after one year! Well done to Surfing Australia for making the committment to SUP.

Goochi said...
Hi Guys

I know that the time of the event has more to do with the ISA worlds being in April and Surfing Australia wanting to have their Nationals closer to this event as it is the selection event for the Australian Team.

It is a shame that you can only attend the nationals by making the State team, but it makes sense given the nature of the event.

As far as the board length goes. From what I understand, the 12'6 has been choosen as the elite divsion length for male and female because this is what ISA wants. As Angie has pointed out it is much easier to transport 12'6 around the country and the world - especially to Peru. We struggle in Perth to fill our 12'6 events as most paddlers are on 14'. This is the same in most States except Queensland as far as I know. There is no conspiracy involved, just practicality in terms of selecting 12'6 as the elite board. (The Doctor Race had a 12'6 and 14' division and the big names brought over 14' and there was only one 12'6 entered!)

It should be an awesome event. Fantastic that we now have a stand alone Nationla event after one year! Well done to Surfing Australia for making the committment to SUP.

its hard to imagine but there are a 'lot' of the the minority in qld paddling 14'ers too

It will be interesting to see if the Marathon course is designed to suit 12'6" boards.

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Goochi said...
Hi Guys

I know that the time of the event has more to do with the ISA worlds being in April and Surfing Australia wanting to have their Nationals closer to this event as it is the selection event for the Australian Team.

It is a shame that you can only attend the nationals by making the State team, but it makes sense given the nature of the event.

As far as the board length goes. From what I understand, the 12'6 has been choosen as the elite divsion length for male and female because this is what ISA wants. As Angie has pointed out it is much easier to transport 12'6 around the country and the world - especially to Peru. We struggle in Perth to fill our 12'6 events as most paddlers are on 14'. This is the same in most States except Queensland as far as I know. There is no conspiracy involved, just practicality in terms of selecting 12'6 as the elite board. (The Doctor Race had a 12'6 and 14' division and the big names brought over 14' and there was only one 12'6 entered!)

It should be an awesome event. Fantastic that we now have a stand alone Nationla event after one year! Well done to Surfing Australia for making the committment to SUP.

its hard to imagine but there are a 'lot' of the the minority in qld paddling 14'ers too

How about starting a 14' club mate? I'll come along since I don't own a 12'6 at the moment

that's crazy, but good

Just keeping the dream alive mate

OG SUP said...

Goochi is saying that in WA they struggle to fill the ISA Class 12'6 at Club races and the Doctor (only 1 entry) as do other states according to the jungle drums and most people paddle 14s non ISA Class as is the case in Vicco.

I think you will find the reason for all the elite guys paddling 14's at the Dr is because that is where the prize money was. Put the prize money in the 12'6 and the paddlers would follow.

And yes I was the one on the 12'6 and finished about 17th in the field.

surf4fun said...

OG SUP said...

Goochi is saying that in WA they struggle to fill the ISA Class 12'6 at Club races and the Doctor (only 1 entry) as do other states according to the jungle drums and most people paddle 14s non ISA Class as is the case in Vicco.

I think you will find the reason for all the elite guys paddling 14's at the Dr is because that is where the prize money was. Put the prize money in the 12'6 and the paddlers would follow.

And yes I was the one on the 12'6 and finished about 17th in the field.

17th on a 12'6 but really 1st in ISA Class so you won the Elite race. I think.

Really 17th is an awesome effort stoked for you