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eppo
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12 Mar 2015 7:50am
no spark it's called EVOLUTION...didnt you know...




Brien
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12 Mar 2015 11:36pm
Is there anyone who can ride unhooked down the line decently who goes back to riding hooked in because they actually like it better?
sir ROWDY
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12 Mar 2015 8:37pm
Brien said..
Is there anyone who can ride unhooked down the line decently who goes back to riding hooked in because they actually like it better?


Haven't heard of one so far .
sir ROWDY
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12 Mar 2015 8:40pm
eppo said..
no spark it's called EVOLUTION...didnt you know...






I assume you're taking the piss Eppo.
But it kind of doesn't really add up, because whether you remember or not Felix was actually a big advocate of riding waves with twin-tips and boots and then later on was one of the last riders to loose the straps... So in a way your piss take is actually a piss take inside a piss take... I call it Pissception.
Capt.Gumby
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12 Mar 2015 10:49pm
sir ROWDY said..

Dave Whettingsteel said..
I ride with straps and love them but the video Austin posted got me thinking... I totally rate him as a brave and gusty wave rider, and him riding unhooked, how far the bar moved away from his body as he was doing turns sort of showed how if you disconnect the power transmission train it changes how you ride. I'm pretty crap, but I can see how it would enhance your style.
So it's not the act of unhooking that matters, but how it mighty enhance your experience that matters.
Still reckon that op video was unreal but. However he did it!



Agreed. Also agree it was a pretty cool video.

Un-hooked (and un-strapped) is all about pushing yourself and pushing the boundaries of what people think is possible.
Logic would tell you that putting straps on your skateboard would be the easiest way to get it off the ground, likewise that taking a helicopter to the top of a mountain would be a far easier way to get there than climbing it... but it's usually not the easiest way that's the most for filling, progressive or enjoyable way to do something.


100% agree with pushing yourself unstrapped, couldn't care what people think is possible... we ride in two inch slop (and that really is talking it up) but the constant challenge of striving to improve is where I am enjoying the sport and being strapped to the board really limits that.

My 2 cents
Brien
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12 Mar 2015 11:49pm
sir ROWDY said...
Brien said..
Is there anyone who can ride unhooked down the line decently who goes back to riding hooked in because they actually like it better?


Haven't heard of one so far .


Question answered.
Jedibrad
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13 Mar 2015 7:10am
Felix is a legend but has more powered style

And the two hands on the bar with arms stretched above your head mid bottom turn…. is not "freed up"

I don't know…. maybe if our ideas of the direction of progression differs then there's no use discussing it??
sir ROWDY
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13 Mar 2015 5:09am
Jedibrad said..
Felix is a legend but has more powered style

And the two hands on the bar with arms stretched above your head mid bottom turn…. is not "freed up"

I don't know…. maybe if our ideas of the direction of progression differs then there's no use discussing it??


I'm quite obviously not referring to Felix as a benchmark (or the style he has)...

I agree, two hands on the bar looks crook, I try not to do that ever... (not like you don't see tons of photos of people in mags hooked-in bogging off the top doing the same thing .)

You can have your own ideas, you don't need to be inline with my thinking.
I will say however that i think it's narrow minded to think just because you don't see people doing something well all the time, that it's not progressive. If you had never seen what people do wake-style kiting now you would think the exact same thing if you saw someone doing the first crappy looking raleys or similar.
eppo
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13 Mar 2015 7:34am
sir ROWDY said..


Jedibrad said..
Felix is a legend but has more powered style

And the two hands on the bar with arms stretched above your head mid bottom turn…. is not "freed up"

I don't know…. maybe if our ideas of the direction of progression differs then there's no use discussing it??






You can have your own ideas, you don't need to be inline with my thinking.
I will say however that i think it's narrow minded to think just because you don't see people doing something well all the time, that it's not progressive.





I most definetly give up...
terminal
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13 Mar 2015 6:00pm
So what is the definition of progression?

Maybe a hydrogen filled balloon/kite, unhooked, strapless, riding in a cross-on steady wind with a perfect peeling wave and you can wave the bar about with slack lines and ride the wave like a surfer until the wave ends and you have a kite available to get you back to the line-up without paddling?

Is surfing the ultimate and a kite is a handicap that has to be minimised?
sir ROWDY
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13 Mar 2015 6:42pm
terminal said..
So what is the definition of progression?

Is surfing the ultimate and a kite is a handicap that has to be minimised?



What ever you want it to be really... I mean what's "advancing" an art-form? What is art?

I don't see how you're "minimising" the kite aspect any-more by un-hooking than staying hooked-in... if anything according to a few people in this thread it would be the opposite way around .
sir ROWDY
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13 Mar 2015 6:44pm
eppo said..

sir ROWDY said..



Jedibrad said..
Felix is a legend but has more powered style

And the two hands on the bar with arms stretched above your head mid bottom turn…. is not "freed up"

I don't know…. maybe if our ideas of the direction of progression differs then there's no use discussing it??







You can have your own ideas, you don't need to be inline with my thinking.
I will say however that i think it's narrow minded to think just because you don't see people doing something well all the time, that it's not progressive.






I most definetly give up...


Probably a good move, it will be just like staying hooked-in, take the easy path .
gcdave
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13 Mar 2015 7:20pm
terminal said...
So what is the definition of progression?


Not having to paddle
JBFletch
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13 Mar 2015 10:33pm
Regardless of what i think is better or worse and why or why not one should do it, the stupidest part is there are people getting defensive over the topic.

Hooked, unhooked, strapped, unstrapped, surfboard, twintip, skate or whatever other weird craft you choose to ride.

Blow the bloody thing up and go kiting.

If your unhappy about someone else's preferences, stay down the other end of the beach.... cos its all fun and we hate haters.
sir ROWDY
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14 Mar 2015 6:09am
JBFletch said..
Regardless of what i think is better or worse and why or why not one should do it, the stupidest part is there are people getting defensive over the topic. Hooked, unhooked, strapped, unstrapped, surfboard, twintip, skate or whatever other weird craft you choose to ride. Blow the bloody thing up and go kiting. If your unhappy about someone else's preferences, stay down the other end of the beach.... cos its all fun and we hate haters.




eppo
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14 Mar 2015 8:59am
sir ROWDY said..

eppo said..


sir ROWDY said..




Jedibrad said..
Felix is a legend but has more powered style

And the two hands on the bar with arms stretched above your head mid bottom turn…. is not "freed up"

I don't know…. maybe if our ideas of the direction of progression differs then there's no use discussing it??








You can have your own ideas, you don't need to be inline with my thinking.
I will say however that i think it's narrow minded to think just because you don't see people doing something well all the time, that it's not progressive.







I most definetly give up...



Probably a good move, it will be just like staying hooked-in, take the easy path .




But but Sir, he started it !!!
Dave Whettingsteel
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14 Mar 2015 10:29am
Haha.... school teachers....:)
eppo
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14 Mar 2015 1:21pm
Dave Whettingsteel said..
Haha.... school teachers....:)


We'd be brought in for mediation now and have to sit through a lecture on bullying...!

Then we would leave with confused looks on our faces and start at it again...
cauncy
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14 Mar 2015 3:53pm
JBFletch said...
Regardless of what i think is better or worse and why or why not one should do it, the stupidest part is there are people getting defensive over the topic.

Hooked, unhooked, strapped, unstrapped, surfboard, twintip, skate or whatever other weird craft you choose to ride.

Blow the bloody thing up and go kiting.

If your unhappy about someone else's preferences, stay down the other end of the beach.... cos its all fun and we hate haters.


After all ,We're all on the same team ,
JBFletch
JBFletch
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14 Mar 2015 6:10pm
cauncy said..




JBFletch said...
Regardless of what i think is better or worse and why or why not one should do it, the stupidest part is there are people getting defensive over the topic.

Hooked, unhooked, strapped, unstrapped, surfboard, twintip, skate or whatever other weird craft you choose to ride.

Blow the bloody thing up and go kiting.

If your unhappy about someone else's preferences, stay down the other end of the beach.... cos its all fun and we hate haters.






After all ,We're all on the same team ,





Yeah we are!

Even the unhooking crew are welcome!


gcdave
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14 Mar 2015 6:19pm
^^ what ever works to slay dragons really

There's merit in unhooking,but in mush the only stoke im finding is in micro moments. Makes it hard to feel like there's any progression
sir ROWDY
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14 Mar 2015 6:30pm
Are we?
gcdave
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14 Mar 2015 6:36pm
sir ROWDY said...
Are we?


No,but a pat on the back is a good placebo
PRAWNDOG
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14 Mar 2015 6:57pm
I really enjoyed unhooking down the line on my back hand, but then learnt to ride switch and havn't felt the need to unhook since. After reading this entertaining thread i think it's time to start unhooking whilst riding down the line switch, must be the closest thing to surfng ??
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
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14 Mar 2015 7:36pm
PRAWNDOG said..
I really enjoyed unhooking down the line on my back hand, but then learnt to ride switch and havn't felt the need to unhook since. After reading this entertaining thread i think it's time to start unhooking whilst riding down the line switch, must be the closest thing to surfng ??



Closest thing to surfing would be riding backhand. No-one can surf properly switch.

Seriously though, switch is fun but you will find un-hooking (if un-strapped) on your switch is a whole level harder than staying hooked-in. I give it a blast every now and again, but I also like pushing my self on my backhand as it's totally different to what you do on your natural side.
PRAWNDOG
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14 Mar 2015 7:57pm
No straps of course, wouldn't want anyone thinking I was cheating
terminal
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15 Mar 2015 2:20am
sir ROWDY said..


PRAWNDOG said..
I really enjoyed unhooking down the line on my back hand, but then learnt to ride switch and havn't felt the need to unhook since. After reading this entertaining thread i think it's time to start unhooking whilst riding down the line switch, must be the closest thing to surfng ??





Closest thing to surfing would be riding backhand. No-one can surf properly switch.

Seriously though, switch is fun but you will find un-hooking (if un-strapped) on your switch is a whole level harder than staying hooked-in. I give it a blast every now and again, but I also like pushing my self on my backhand as it's totally different to what you do on your natural side.



That's another thing that puzzles me.
Can surfers surf properly on their natural side?
Do they do relatively better in competitions on their natural side?
If so, that would suggest to me that front hand surfing is better than backhand surfing.
Then learning to ride switch would be progression even if it was more difficult to do properly than backhand.
KBwhokbs
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15 Mar 2015 2:33am
Unhooked, no straps?

Does this mean I take the pedals off my bike and select the biggest gear.

Strange analogy I know but it seems to fit.


sir ROWDY
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15 Mar 2015 3:22am
terminal said..


sir ROWDY said..




PRAWNDOG said..
I really enjoyed unhooking down the line on my back hand, but then learnt to ride switch and havn't felt the need to unhook since. After reading this entertaining thread i think it's time to start unhooking whilst riding down the line switch, must be the closest thing to surfng ??







Closest thing to surfing would be riding backhand. No-one can surf properly switch.

Seriously though, switch is fun but you will find un-hooking (if un-strapped) on your switch is a whole level harder than staying hooked-in. I give it a blast every now and again, but I also like pushing my self on my backhand as it's totally different to what you do on your natural side.





That's another thing that puzzles me.
Can surfers surf properly on their natural side?
Do they do relatively better in competitions on their natural side?
If so, that would suggest to me that front hand surfing is better than backhand surfing.
Then learning to ride switch would be progression even if it was more difficult to do properly than backhand.



Perhaps true in a way. But I don't think that riding switch on a kite = surfing switch stance... Riding backhand on a kite well (doing airs etc.) has it's own unique problems.
sir ROWDY
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15 Mar 2015 3:24am
KBwhokbs said..
Unhooked, no straps?

Does this mean I take the pedals off my bike and select the biggest gear.

Strange analogy I know but it seems to fit.




Funny you mention it actually, because in park BMX it's considered lame to have brakes... so it's not really far off.
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