waveslave said..

KiteDesigner said..

Click bar does fix a number of issues, ease of use and safety fun for some people.

Short armed people can now reach power and quickly depower the bar instantly without trying to stretch out and fumble for a strap or fight against a unfriendly below bar depower

Impared people with loss of strength in the arms (I know of 1 with only 30% strength) can power depower the kite much easier. As there is little pull on side lines.

For some this bar is a game changer and fixes. Major issues they had with other bars.

But for me the bar fixes nothing. If I had the cash I would buy it as it's an excellent bar. For now i will stick with a simpler affordable setup, I like having 3 bars. I don't have or want to spend 3000 on 3 bars.

Quit saying 'power' and 'depower' when referring to that peppergrinder lever-action.

It's called trimming. ok

You should know that being a kite designer and all.

DEPOWER
verb~

To adjust or alter (a sail) so that the wind no longer fills it.

Seems legit to me.

As for shops, I want to be able to go in and check out the stuff and not have to dig through a pile of bags and junk to see what it all is. Preferably the details of the new stuff should be on display so I can see how it all works.

I want to talk to someone who actually knows about the gear. At the very least they should have read the web site. Even better they should have taken the gear out for a good testing session and have first hand knowledge.

I want to talk to somebody who understands kiting. I don't want to talk to the windsurfing guy. I really don't want to talk to the freestyle dude about freestyle boards and freestyle kites when I want higher performance, surf and hydrofoil gear.

I want two kinds of discounts. One that is proportional to the amount of money that I am going to spend in a transaction (i.e. buy lots, get a bigger discount), also a smaller discount on occasional purchases to show that they want to establish a relationship and earn my ongoing business. In return I will be a loyal customer, buy the odd thing at full price, refer people to them, and buy shedloads of really expensive stuff from time to time.

I definitely want demos. I definitely want assistance with repairs when necessary.

I want them to take seriously their responsibility to support the products they have sold as they are required to by Australian consumer law. Don't even think about saying "We have to refer it to the manufacturer." or "That's out of warranty, or not covered by warranty."

eppo said...

Kitesurf retail is like any retail. Same same. I think some of you guys are deluded to be totally honest.

Dude must been talkin about this sir eppo........,.. lol

This clutter bar feels, after reading all this, a bit like an ex girlfriend already. Excitement gone before I even got to know her well, she looked sexy, yet she was simple and clean. It just did not click in the long run. Perhaps sand got into the transmission. Time to look for a new game changer.

All this whining about the poor industry. You don't have to sell it you know

In all seriousness. Good products and good service will always sell. Relax

eppo said...
We playing the contextual semantic game now...

anyhow you grumpy bastards are alright by me. I get it, middle age makes us all miserable pricks.

My Message is pretty clear.

these retailers you all lump into the poor category are real people, trying to make their way in this crazy world just like you and me. they have their faults just like you and me.

Oh eppo, you need to have a re-read old man. In regards to the "same same" quote; it was clear you were comparing kitesurfing retail to other retail at this point. Strangely enough, so was I. Thought this was clear. But it's all so difficult when there are issues with listening. It's why I likened you to the industry in general. You only hear what you want and already know everything.

Yes, the poor shops. I understand they are doing it tough. Margins are tight and sales are down. Hence why it's ever more important to step back for a moment and listen to customers who might offer advice or raise concerns with their operations. Instead immediately throwing them in the uneducated dickhead realm (which is likely to the contrary). Disregard and return to wanking over pros, industry execs, groupies and hangers on. Ultimately it's the local market/customers which will see them through. I'm not trying to say the industry is full of badies. Some may have lost their way however. Like you said, everyone has their faults. I agree whole heartedly. We usually try to do something about don't we? In the world of business and commerce it's wise to resolve them quickly.

I also like what Kraut implies. Look, no ones forcing these guys to be in the industry btw. It's their risk to operate in such a way in this crrrraaaazy world.

North is trying to bring cellphone zombies onto the water--people riding around looking at their hands, ignoring what's going on around them. Neat.

Factory said..

eppo said...
We playing the contextual semantic game now...

anyhow you grumpy bastards are alright by me. I get it, middle age makes us all miserable pricks.

My Message is pretty clear.

these retailers you all lump into the poor category are real people, trying to make their way in this crazy world just like you and me. they have their faults just like you and me.

Oh eppo, you need to have a re-read old man. In regards to the "same same" quote; it was clear you were comparing kitesurfing retail to other retail at this point. Strangely enough, so was I. Thought this was clear. But it's all so difficult when there are issues with listening. It's why I likened you to the industry in general. You only hear what you want and already know everything.

Yes, the poor shops. I understand they are doing it tough. Margins are tight and sales are down. Hence why it's ever more important to step back for a moment and listen to customers who might offer advice or raise concerns with their operations. Instead immediately throwing them in the uneducated dickhead realm (which is likely to the contrary). Disregard and return to wanking over pros, industry execs, groupies and hangers on. Ultimately it's the local market/customers which will see them through. I'm not trying to say the industry is full of badies. Some may have lost their way however. Like you said, everyone has their faults. I agree whole heartedly. We usually try to do something about don't we? In the world of business and commerce it's wise to resolve them quickly.

I also like what Kraut implies. Look, no ones forcing these guys to be in the industry btw. It's their risk to operate in such a way in this crrrraaaazy world.

Well I can't argue with your main message, well put forward argument. I agree. A more grass roots local focus, focussing on their main market, guys like us is so much needed. Dont worry, those big brand clips make me cringe, and one wonders if they have done a cost benefit analyses on the validity of them.

But pros, industry execs etc are not your local simple retailer.

......yet if a retailer is no good, the market will sink them And the company for that matter. They don't need us to bang on about how to do it right, what would we know? Ever run a kite shop yourself? Tthe majority of us have never run an international kite company either...

yu say Im not listening becuase I already know everything. Yet It's you who is advising how a retail kite shop and a kite company should operate.

So tell me, who thinks he fckn knows everything??

Or... Piros just shorten your throw (using the cleat) so you can reach it. Or don't and buy a new bar. We all want to know how it works after a year or so. Lol.

Piros, I would like to hear your feedback on using this when foiling.
I find I'm at the stage where foiling with 2 hands on bar is very awkward. And even reaching the non bar hand towards bar is unbalancing.

RAL INN said...
Piros, I would like to hear your feedback on using this when foiling.
I find I'm at the stage where foiling with 2 hands on bar is very awkward. And even reaching the non bar hand towards bar is unbalancing.

You'll get past that too

Piros said...

Kamikuza said...
How can you not reach the strap?

Powered up its out of reach.

Must be that new elasticized depower rope I've been hearing so much about...

Why did you take a photo of someone taking a turd in the dunes?

You are showing Seaway wind speed . At the pin completely different story ask Jack. FMD you blokes carry on with some Sh!t.