Fred Reed describes how political correctness is causing huge injustices in America. If that kid who was shot in Florida had been Chinese or white then would there have been the huge raucus?

www.lewrockwell.com/2012/04/fred-reed/cops-race-reporters/

Mobydisc said...

Fred Reed describes how political correctness is causing huge injustices in America. If that kid who was shot in Florida had been Chinese or white then would there have been the huge raucus?

www.lewrockwell.com/2012/04/fred-reed/cops-race-reporters/

If a Hispanic guy shot an unarmed white kid I suspect he would have been charged for murder, not let off on 'self defence', so no, there probably wouldn't have been the same ruckus.

So do you really think it's ok to shoot a teenager just because he's black and wearing a hoody???

log man said...

Mobydisc said...

Fred Reed describes how political correctness is causing huge injustices in America. If that kid who was shot in Florida had been Chinese or white then would there have been the huge raucus?

www.lewrockwell.com/2012/04/fred-reed/cops-race-reporters/

Geez Moby you've got the best reading list.....Fred reed, Pat Buchanan......what's next ? Stormfront???

Logman,

I've read stuff from Marx and Engels, Rachael Carson, through to authors you probably consider to be loony right wingers. I think there is knowledge to be gained from reading widely. I don't believe the labels of left and right wing are accurate. The radical 'left' often isn't all that different to the radical 'right'.

Tell me before you bag off Pat Buchanan, have you actually read any of his writings and can you critically analyse what he has written? If you haven't you are better off keeping quiet. Can you also point out the factual errors in what Reed wrote? Seems a pretty accurate description of how journalism and the law works in America.

^^ I know what you meant

Andrew Bolt said...
No, it's not that we're racist. It's that we're too scared to seem so.

OK.

Andrew Bolt then said...
(A disclaimer: Most Africans here are peaceful, and the overall crime rate of all African immigrants from South Africa to Egypt is only just above our average.)

What a pussy.



*Everyone* is racist. It just depends on the situation. You're either a little bit racist or a liar. I don't much like bogans, they're obnoxious. Or those shifty Indians. Asians are hard workers that undercut everyone. Those Africans come from violent places. Lebanese are scary. Rich whites are judgmental snobs that secretly hate each other, and you.

Martin Luther King Jnr. said...
I have a dream that my four little children will one day be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

If you look at any culture/sub-culture/race/collective long enough you'll see plenty not to like. They're all the same; human.

I give up.

^^ can I be Minister for Watersports?

Mobydisc said...

log man said...

Mobydisc said...

Fred Reed describes how political correctness is causing huge injustices in America. If that kid who was shot in Florida had been Chinese or white then would there have been the huge raucus?

www.lewrockwell.com/2012/04/fred-reed/cops-race-reporters/

Geez Moby you've got the best reading list.....Fred reed, Pat Buchanan......what's next ? Stormfront???

Logman,

I've read stuff from Marx and Engels, Rachael Carson, through to authors you probably consider to be loony right wingers. I think there is knowledge to be gained from reading widely. I don't believe the labels of left and right wing are accurate. The radical 'left' often isn't all that different to the radical 'right'.

Tell me before you bag off Pat Buchanan, have you actually read any of his writings and can you critically analyse what he has written? If you haven't you are better off keeping quiet. Can you also point out the factual errors in what Reed wrote? Seems a pretty accurate description of how journalism and the law works in America.

Right wingers are so frikken lame . why don't you just come out and say ...."Hell, yes, I'm a happy racist ,I don't like black people and I hate other religions". "Australia is for Australians(white ones) and if you don't like it leave, Gays are pillow biters and lesbians are man haters" .........there, that's not hard is it. Why do you have to hide behind these dumb "political correctness" threads,and the faux poor victimised white man arguments. Just come out

Mark _australia said...

^^^ Left wingers are so lame.
Why don't they all just come out and say "I refuse to acknowledge there is a crime gang problem with people from country X or Y ....because it would be politically incorrect to state the truth"



Love the way the lefties wring their hands together and with a furrowed brow state "oooh you can't say that...."
Shoe fits - wear it.

Realistic does not equal racist.
Calling a spade a spade does not mean you hate any particular group, it means you hate what some of them do. Big differences.

Logman did you even read the Tim Priest speech? There is a man who has seen it at street level for real.

Well , it's always hard to know where to start with these "political correctness gone mad" topics. There are usually SO many assumptions that you make from the start that you seem totally OK in accepting. Why do you accept them ? well they fit into your view of the world. Is it factual that there is a huge problem in the Sudanese community? Australian Crime Statistics please, not some hugely biased, right wing commentators, cherry picked ramblings on what he postulates about this or that. OK. So lets assume you get those figures and they show a big spike in the crime level in African communities.......So, what does THAT mean???? Does that mean that the trend is real?, is it statistically important?. What does this high crime rate tell us about our community, our immigration policy, multiculturalism, the "character" of Africans in general? All to often racists hide behind rallying calls for other racists. Dog whistling is the way most racists roll. And you can see them coming a mile off. It's usually "Australia's overpopulated".......and when you unpack their idea, it's usually just a vehicle for "I only want white people in Australia". There are hundreds of these smoke screens that get trotted out everyday....."Australia for Australians", "Australia , love it or leave it". They're just racist veils covering the ugly side of our society. You say "because it would be politically incorrect to state the truth".....You're assuming that's the truth....is it?. And anyway what does it mean if you have a gang of 50 angry kids doing crime. Does that mean we cast a racist slur on the many thousands of peaceful, law abiding African folks in live in Australia? If you want to go there then that's racism ...pure and simple. Oh and just an aside. I'm assuming the version of the Melbs herald sun , 3aw, Alan Jones, 2ue, Andrew bolt et al are popular where you are. They're very hot on this stuff, I mean the "pensioner bashed to death by African mob" type headlines. But here in Melbourne, yep we have gangs, we had a gang that was involved in a bashing at Dandenomg Station lat year. I vividly recall Neil Mitchell frothing on about how an African man was involved in the crime. Well, yes he was. He was beaten by a group of Islanders. Funny no mention of the "Maori crime gangs". Police interviewed at the time insisted that it was not a racial gang but a gang from a certain area made up of various races. But then that little story doesn't fit your agenda eh Mark? Leaving aside the fact of the long history of gangs especially in Melbs, anyone remember the southern Italian migrants of the fifties and sixties, The Carlton crew? the Chinese gangs more recently? what about the "Sharpies". Surely no one would be casting racist slurs on the Italian Australians these days? . Smoke screen I say

Cassa said...

Mark _australia said...

Greenpat / P.R:
Let's say bikie gangs are a problem in any given capital city. They are all white members, and as we know about 80% of the population is caucasian.
So out of the 80% of the population who is caucasian, in Sydney we have about 500 people who are active members of a defined organised crime gang (bikies)

Then we have certain persons of middle eastern decent who are only about 1-2% of the population of the city. They also have 500 people who are active members of an organised crime gang.
That means per capita, more of that race are undertaking serious unlawful activities.

Would it be racist to state that? Is it racist if it is true?

Those numbers are just rough guesstimates.... but:
Sometimes we need to put aside political correctness and ascertain if one group is more criminally active, and if so state that as fact and target the problems.... not shy away from reality in case we are labelled as racist.

In American movies it is always 'the mob' - Italian mafia gangs - and that is OK cos they are european. But we are not to talk about Lebanese gangs or African gangs because they are refugees, recent arrivals etc so we have to ignore things, lest we be labelled racist?

+1

I just got a great idea! Maybe we could take the children of those race away from their parents and put them in white families...
Oh wait a minute

All those lefties fault hey:

Get some history into ya !

The Fraser cabinet was also told many of the refugees were unskilled, illiterate and had questionable character and standards of personal hygiene.

Cabinet documents released today by the National Archives under the 30-year rule reveal how Australia's decision to accept thousands of Lebanese Muslims fleeing Lebanon's 1976 civil war led to a temporary collapse of normal eligibility standards.

The emergence of the documents raises the question of whether the temporary relaxation might have contributed to contemporary racial tensions in Sydney's southwest, which exploded a year ago into race-based riots in Cronulla.

poor relative said...

This thread is disturbing.
I can't believe educated decent people in a modern society could even think this way. Oh hang on WA..... LOL the fog suddenly cleared.

But don't you also feel sorry for the offspring of the people expressing certain viewpoints here? These posts will remain archived and accessible forever (don't believe it? - search old usenet posts and the Internet archive project). In the majority of cases, there will be easy traceability down to an individual. One can imagine the typical conversation in a few years' time: "Wow, I did some cyber-genealogy the other day and I still can't believe my old man was such a racist redneck"...

Here we go again - if you state a certain group have some of it's members involved in crime you must be racist.

FFS people, if it is true, yet you think "oh you can't say that" then the problem is more with you and your lack of conviction than it is with those who call a spade a spade. I feel sorry for those who don't say it like it is, due to some sense of what you "can't say cos it is not politically correct"

Certainly the police and prisons officers who have first hand knowledge have somethign to say www.dailytelegraph.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes as did Tim Priest in that speech that the politically correct in this thread seem to ignore?

"Here we go again - if you state a certain group have some of it's members involved in crime you must be racist." ALL racial groups have criminal members. The criminality of some people within that group has no bearing on the goodness or badness of other members of that group........ unless you think ALL Africans are car thieves, all English are skin head neo nazis etc." I feel sorry for those who don't say it like it is, due to some sense of what you "can't say cos it is not politically correct". NO, it's not that we're bound by "political correctness".........what ever that is. It is because issues like these are rarely as simple as you want to make out. I have no doubt that there are African gangs, and I have no doudt that there are middle eastern crime families, Italian mobsters, etc etc. But what are you trying to say about those races? What you're trying to infer is that there are African gangs ...Africans are violent...Africans shouldn't be allowed into Australia....multiculturalism is wrong etc. You're grasping at straws trying to link one thing with another with another. You might think you're some kind of maverick guy who calls a "spade a spade" and you're standing up against "political correctness" or something but what you're really doing is plain old racism, garden variety dumb racism.

^ (I'm being quoted out of context there btw. Missing sarcasm)

cisco siad...
"Multiculturalism is an ideology that promotes the institutionalisation of communities containing multiple cultures."

...which is being forced upon this and other nations much like when the Nazis said to the inmates of the concentration camps:-

You've just drawn a parallel between multiculturalism and Nazism.
Are you for real? That's both insanely ignorant and offensive at the same time.

So let's not confuse the two and start shrieking "Racist! Racist! Racist!" when the observation is made that a certain crime was committed and the perpetrators were from a certain ethnic background.

How can you not read the comments as racist? Check the third comment in this thread.

They multiply like rabbits and then the cycle begins breeding more generations of criminals.

That is flat out racist. There is no question. At all.

Racist! Racist! Racist!

There are people wringing their hands scared to be seen as racist, and it's not those on the left. Just come out and say it, pussies. Even Andrew Bolt in his column linked above clearly ignites fear and anger over immigrants, surely we can all agree he does that, and then mentions in brackets that "ooooh, by the way, in case I seem racist the crime rates for Africans are comparable to any other group. I'm not racist, just saying." People don't know themselves.