Gizmo said...


I have the opposite opinion, it seems that 7 day trading has MANY pitfalls things like family life, kids sporting events, etc. I believe people only have a certain amount of $$$ to spend, spend in 6 or 7 days its still the same.
The push for 7 day trading normally comes from big business to drive up their share of the market knowingly driving out small family businesses. Often it is said it will give more jobs... wrong they just run on the same staff rostered over the 7 days, and then the companies try to eliminate penalty rates by saying all days are now equal.
You will never see government departments, banks, post offices, etc open 7 days.... why? (They want their family time)

So those living in WA your lucky enjoy the time with your family, your not going to die if you cant get to the shops for 1 day.

dude, some of us work full time and are not able to go shopping on a week day if the shops close at 5:30 pm. So we have to battle (because that;s what it's like) on Thursday night or Saturday). Did you consider what impact restricted shopping hours have on majority of the working population, the very people that pay taxes and spend the money ???

your argument about family life is utter bullcr@p, no one, I repeat NO ONE is forcing anyone to go to shops. It is your choice if you choose to spend the time with your family or go shopping. As far as shopping attendants, who will be working late (like everywhere else in the rest of the world), they get paid for it. Majority of us shouldn't have to suffer because of made up reasons you listed above.

WA needs to move into 21 st century, the service and retail industry here is stuck somewhere in 1989 IMO. This is at least one step forward. Well done government for growing some balls and making a sensible decision for once.

Rant over....

Mark _australia said...

Hang on, how many people actually work 9hrs a day, 6 days a week and their partner or flatmate does also? Those people are mostly the upper middle class thru to filthy rich, and they can afford to shop at IGA

Bit of a fantasy land your living in if you think people working 9hrs a day,6 days a week are filthy rich.Maybe if your comparing it to your income or you are a politician.
I know many of mates that work 9hrs a day, 6days a week,as well as their parterns and they do it just to survive because they are low income earners that work in these shops.They dont wish to do these hours(who would) but have to to keep up with house payments and to support their family.
They would be happy to work 5 days a week but longer hours into the evening at time and a half, then have a 2 day weekend with the family, than to work 6 days straight with one day off to squeeze in a bit of family time.
Not everyone lives in a high income job that means working for 6 days a week makes you filthy rich, that is what well off people seem to think.

If you can work a 38hr week,your partner dosen work,paying off a house,supporting kids,
you arent the average aussie batteling family, but in the minority higher income group who are so out of touch of the majority aussie family.

And no Mark,Im not just saying this to upset you, I know you hate kiters and think they are all w@nkers, its just my 2 cents.

^^^^ Gents x 2 above - how many people seriously cannot find 1hr a fortnight to shop? Maybe 5 or 10%? Rich or otherwise...

Try living in the country where you have to have frozen bread and 2 week old fruit n veg - but I won't complain as living here is partly my choice. Just as it is your choice, gf12, to want ultra fresh when you could survive on shopping once a fortnight or using IGA.
Also gf12, the best fruit n veg and massive range I've found is at Gilberts in Southlands, who are 7 days a week. I'm sure there is similar NOR also?

BTW, there are Govt controls to tackle monoploy - and that is our current law whereby the smaller operations can open late and 7 days a week. But you suggest we deregulate and then come up with some other law to protect the smaller shops??!!!

If shopping hours are deregulated, it will certainly force out some smaller players and no Govt intervention I can think of could possibly keep them in. If all shops could open whenever they want, can you tell me what Govt intervention you'd suggest to prevent the smaller grocery stores from going broke?

A mum n dad operation with one or two employees can't put on 2 extra staff to cover the extra 20hrs or so they'd need to do, just for the extra few customers they may get - everyone will just go to Coles. And once all the little ones are gone, the big 2 can charge whatever the hell they want.

Why should the 90% pay higher prices and have less choice at the end of the day, to support lifestyle choices made by the 10% ???
That is why the referendums failed.

Damn,,,,,if I could work 6 days a week and be filthy rich, I would do it for a year and retire extremely filthy rich.

Pugwash said...

Mark _australia said...

Hang on, how many people actually work 9hrs a day, 6 days a week and their partner or flatmate does also? Those people are mostly the upper middle class thru to filthy rich, and they can afford to shop at IGA at 8pm on Sunday where it costs 10% more for that convenience.
?

Sounds to me like you are suggesting discrimination, in the form of high prices, is what we want for people who work hard. "Rich" or otherwise.

The point about monopolies, duopolies or oligopolies is an interesting one, and possibly valid. Have you any evidence to support? And, I don't mean some drivel from a polly, or a tin-foil hat wearing nutter...

No I am saying that many choose to have 2 incomes and work long hours to support a flash house, 2 flash cars and keeping up with the Jones' plasma blah blah. If they choose to have that lifestyle they can't complain about not being able to shop on Sat morning. Seriously, how hard is it for the missus to work 1hr less, or for singles to shop on Sat morning every second week?
I submit that there are very few in society who simply cannot find an hour to shop for groceries each fortnight, within existing trading hours.

As to your second paragraph, there was a thingy in the paper last time all this sh!t was being debated, and it showed the percentage market share of Coles and Woolies compared to major companies in other Western democracies. They have far greater control than what is allowed anywhere else. To a level that is virtually disgusting. Their practices in forcing out smaller competitors has been investigated and they have been warned by the ACCC in some cases.

Funny how a McDonalds every 500m in New York is condemned by many people here, yet they are all for allowing the big 2 to dominate our grocery market.

Funny also how I got green thumbs for my first post, then got red thumbs for the subsequent post stating the same stuff. Interesting.

EDIT: sqiddy - your Melbourne experience does not necessarily apply here in WA where the big 2 already have greater market share than other states

lotofwind said...

^^^^spot on squid lips...
sorry,,but I chuckle at your user name...
When we were younger we had a local girl nick named squid lips.......
I'll leave the reason to your imagination.....


ohhhhh no,,,you have a dirty mind.

she spat ink at you in class once?

Than again,,it is WA,,,living back in the 80's behind the times.
DLS started there yet

Mark _australia said...
Seriously, how hard is it for the missus to work 1hr less, or for singles to shop on Sat morning every second week?
I submit that there are very few in society who simply cannot find an hour to shop for groceries each fortnight, within existing trading hours.

If you and your partner are working 6 days week,9 hours a day,,
how do you shop on Sat morning????
"Um ,,yeah boss,I want to have an hour off work every week to go shopping"

good bye job.

not every ordinary aussies have flexable hours.
I usually doIm a tradesman and do my best to work from 7am till 15knots.
But most of the rural crew here dont have that option and missing any time off work(to shop) means missing home payments or struggle for fuel or stuff for their kids.

gs12 said...

Mark _australia said...

Why should I let Coles and Woolies increase their market share and then raise prices cos they can, to allow 10% of the population "convenience"???

well maybe that's where government should step in and put some measures in place to ensure there are more players in the market

Isn't that what restricted trading hours is???

Mark _australia said...

lotofwind said...

If you and your partner are working 6 days week,9 hours a day,,
how do you shop on Sat morning????
"Um ,,yeah boss,I want to have an hour off work every week to go shopping"

you can't tell me that the few who do that don't do it by choice?

Few who do that????Your kidding arent you???You are out of touch.
The many around here,and all around aussie, that do that,dont want to,they have
to. Paying off a house or renting(which costs about the same now) and feeding the kids,keeping a car on the road so they can get to work ,is extremely hard working for minimum wage.
Who would ,by choice, want to work all those hours away from family and relaxation.Not everyone has your flexable time( to shop) or income to only work 5 days a week.
Do you realise how may average Joe's lose their average houses every week because they cant keep up with payments even doing 6 days a week??

Here is a test for you.Walk into a shop thats open on the weekend with an employer that has already worked all week and say to them "I cant believe you want to work all weekend?" I bet they dont so they want to,,,but they have to to keep a roof over their heads and food for their kids.

yawn,,yeah,your 100% right,,,yawn
everyone that works 9 hours a day,6 days a week only do it cause they choose to and love it,,yawn,,,,
That is their choice and nothing to do with surviving,,,yawn,,,nothing to do with they have to,,,yawnnnnn
You have totally convinced me they want to do that
You should be a polaitican the way you twist things and back peddel


Anyway,,time to go to the pub and get a beer.Im sure the barmaid will be happy as ,that she has done 60 hours this week,by choice, to keep a roof over her head and food for the kiddies.I cant beleive the few who do that do it by choice.
goodnight

one does not have to support the big boys..........

support should be given to the little strip shop owner

that;s the best result for hard earned dollars............REAL FOOD, REAL

PRODUCT, REAL DIVIDEND. so get REAL.... dump the dynasty's !!

Kakoulos Brothers in Perth and Freo. Magic and there is nothing like that here.

Here is my local wandering produce provider

he wanders to our little communities on a weekly basis selling

his own grown and selected produce to many who have no access to a

common fruit and veg. He also tells tall tails aplenty , i tend not to believe

many things he says . The Common Fruit Batt........

Simply put - those in favour of extended trading are wishing to ensure that small/medium business people that run IGA etc are squeezed out of business.

They are also in favour of a complete duopoly (that will in effect act more as a monopoly),

They wish to see WA primary producers's products removed from sale or economically bullied to accept ridiculously low prices for their products of superior quality to earn a guernsey alongside produce from elsewehere! Think - WA honey some of the best in the world, usually absent from Moles and Foolies, and acres of truly sh!t quality, watered down, Capilano is trucked over from the East (also creating a much bigger carbon footprint and raising the price of the sh!t dribble). Well that makes a lot of sense. Same for milk BTW. This kills the primary producers, their employees, their superiour products (which we should be proud of) and gives us rubbish products at inflated prices. Wake up.

Longer opening times result in more wages and overheads which must be passed on to the consumer, doubly so when there will be no real competition as the Moles Foolies duopoly has demonstrated before.



Think things are exxy at 10% dearer in IGA etc now? You ain't seen anything yet -reach deep into ya pockets when Colonoscopy ignores the public's stated wishes and puts in place all of the above.

I know it's hard for many - but try to look past the little bit of tasty cheese and notice the big menacing looking steel bar with the Moles/Foolies logo hovering over your heads. Mmmmm... cheeese.







Agree that Wed and Thurs would be a good compromise and workable, as long as Colonoscopy is made to understand it is not the thin end of his heavily lobied wedge. [}:)]



EDIT: Kn tops idea on the school fruit veges markets PR. School P&F could run and use profits to benefit the schools - kinda like saus sizzles at election polls etc (the biggest earner for our local primary). Primary producers get more outlets for superior products, schools earn and also foster a community vibe. We all eat better grub for same or lesser prices.. love it!

Not sure about the other weekend trading ideas though. Think you got carried away after one too many organic all green ciggies there.