True, but if you agree with something and you were forced to make a post then there would be lots of similar post as your post would almost be a duplicate of the post you were agreeing with.
Whereas if you disagree and are forced to post it is showing your different view and putting your opposing view on the table for others to either green thumb or red thumb and then explain why this disagree. This would then lead to further discussion/posts.
But note, i would love for it to stay the way it was, just putting forward an idea to not remove it entirely.

Seabreeze said..
Hi All,

For many years, opinion on the "Red Thumbs" has been divided (ironically!)

The Thumbs provided a way for those who had an opinion, but not the time nor inclination to type, a way of having some input.

Give people tools, and people being the creative wonders we are, will find new & interesting ways of using them.

Imagine our surprise to find an individual who's sole purpose was to red thumb people. From memory, over 2000 red's issued, and about 3 greens. We introduced "ratio's". Then the further we looked into it, the more "special usage" of the reds we found. Couple this up with a few complaints, and time to try a change.

The way it is now, is not in the spirit that system was originally intended.

So from today, we're going to trial a "Green Thumb Only" experience and see how it pans out...

Thoughts?



Original 2007 post:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/The-new-Thumbs-UpDown-icons/

You are my angles!!!

THANK YOU.. THANK YOU...

Sincerely, really, truly...

THANK YOU

Harrow said..
^^^^
I'd love to see a list of users with the number of reds and greens they've received for the year.

Who do you think would top each list?

Me too

Laurie, here's a script to help you get started ...

WITH cte (SELECT m.MemberID, m.MemberSurname, m.MemberFirstName,
COUNT(CASE WHERE tr.Mode = 'green' THEN 1 ELSE 0 END) AS GreenVotes,
COUNT(CASE WHERE tr.Mode = 'red' THEN 1 ELSE 0 END) AS RedVotes
FROM tblRatings AS tr
INNER JOIN tblMembers AS m
ON m.MemberID = tr.MemberID
WHERE tr.RatingYear = YEAR(GETDATE())
GROUP BY 1,2,3)

SELECT * FROM CTE ORDER BY REDVOTES DESC
SELECT * FROM CTE ORDER BY GREENVOTES DESC

Results... decide who wins a t-shirt

Wtf you cant even subtract a green from someone to bring it back to neutral if its a load of nonsensical jibberish?
No if the reds go surely the greens must go too.

Macaha said..

quikdrawMcgraw said..
Wtf you cant even subtract a green from someone to bring it back to neutral if its a load of nonsensical jibberish?
No if the reds go surely the greens must go too.

agree get rid of them both

Yes, favoring one of the other is colourist

All good.

When the thumbs were added, some got upset .. but nobody died.

They were added as an experiment to see if it helped the forum experience, and they did, but along the way there has always been an opposition to them (and a lot in favour), and many topics started by people wanting them removed for a better forum experience.

But we didn't remove them. It's been 9 years.

Now the time has come that we're going to trial without them, as the way people use them has changed. The world has changed.

Lets see how it pans out.

We're open to innovation & constructive ideas. Checkout slashdot.org/moderation.shtml for example.

.. and no, sorry, no naming names. People voted with the confidence that it would be confidential, and we shall honour & respect that.

However, no worries in listing the most popular members in last 2 months:

#1 = Mark _australia
#2 = cauncy
#3 = theDoctor
#4 = bjw
#5 = seanhogan
#6 = Plummet
#7 = Chris_M
#8 = Underoath
#9 = kiteboy dave
#10= Harrow

Enjoy ..

p.s. theDoctor was so close to getting a shirt .. that's gotta cut deep.

Seabreeze said..
Hi All,

For many years, opinion on the "Red Thumbs" has been divided (ironically!)

The Thumbs provided a way for those who had an opinion, but not the time nor inclination to type, a way of having some input.

Give people tools, and people being the creative wonders we are, will find new & interesting ways of using them.

Imagine our surprise to find an individual who's sole purpose was to red thumb people. From memory, over 2000 red's issued, and about 3 greens. We introduced "ratio's". Then the further we looked into it, the more "special usage" of the reds we found. Couple this up with a few complaints, and time to try a change.

The way it is now, is not in the spirit that system was originally intended.

So from today, we're going to trial a "Green Thumb Only" experience and see how it pans out...

Thoughts?



Original 2007 post:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/The-new-Thumbs-UpDown-icons/

Just for a laugh I was so tempted to red thumb you .

laurie said..



However, no worries in listing the most popular members in last 2 months:

#1 = Mark _australia
#2 = cauncy
#3 = theDoctor
#4 = bjw
#5 = seanhogan
#6 = Plummet
#7 = Chris_M
#8 = Underoath
#9 = kiteboy dave
#10= Harrow

Enjoy ..

p.s. theDoctor was so close to getting a shirt .. that's gotta cut deep.

I'm going to print it and show it to my Mum, she'll be so proud !!!!!

What about leaving the red thumb only for heavy wheater?

Macaha said..

quikdrawMcgraw said..
Wtf you cant even subtract a green from someone to bring it back to neutral if its a load of nonsensical jibberish?
No if the reds go surely the greens must go too.

agree get rid of them both

= great post buddy = great clown buddy = you need to be slapped for posting that buddy = your sister is so ugly buddy = your post made me cry buddy = great sister you have buddy = I like your brother buddy = your a tosser buddy


hey macaha

Is this gagging our "freedom of speech"?

Facebook, with "like" as the only option, promotes a mindless back slapping click-farm herd mentality.


The red thumbs are a very useful "product differentiation" in my seabreeze experience.

Imagine the advertising potential:

"like us , or hate us, on seabreeze. "


Maybe just adjust the ratios of greens to reds allowed, then you can only red thumb the really bad crap.

Clarence

Number 1 hmmm. Embarassing? Nah maybe not, cos I guess one could not post much and still be thumbed heaps up or down (= contentious / polarized debate) so I guess that is a good thing. Saying what u think.

Anyway - to those who said people who complained about red thumbs were sooks.

Not really. I will admit I complained about it early on.
Reason: noobs don't know how to take it. Somebody would come and ask a beginner question and when some members answered with correct and good advice, some dickhead keyboard warrior troll who disliked the poster would redthumb everything they said. Beginners then get all confused about if the advise is good.
When Laurie says somebody dished out 2000 thumbs down and stuff-all thumbs up that says a lot about the mentality of some people.

I agree with Greenroom, can't we go back 10years when it was fun.....?
Unfortunately no, because a few come here just to get a hard-on over picking on certain people. Mindless idiots, but we are stuck with them. So the system has to change to try and keep it fun (and so people asking q's get good advice and that's what a hobby forum is all about.)


I'd suggest no thumbs but a poll system may help. So you can ask what is better out of say, 4 certain brands, people select one of the choices, and it graphs it at the top of the thread. Seen that work well on other fora.

Mark _australia said..
Number 1 hmmm. Embarassing? Nah maybe not, cos you I guess one could not post much and still be thumbed heaps up or down (= contentious / polarized debate) so I guess that is a good thing. Saying what u think.

I wanted to red thumb you to climb up the ladder, but I can't ! So I went for green, too bad.......

Loftywinds said..

Harrow said..

laurie said..

However, no worries in listing the most popular members in last 2 months:

#1 = Mark _australia
#2 = cauncy
#3 = theDoctor
#4 = bjw
#5 = seanhogan
#6 = Plummet
#7 = Chris_M
#8 = Underoath
#9 = kiteboy dave
#10= Harrow

Enjoy ..

Been waiting almost 50 years for my 15 minutes of fame, and they've finally arrived.

I bet I am down in the top 20

Seeing I can't red thumb you - you are definitely the number one tool.

waveslave said..

Rupert said..
So who whined about getting red thumbed?

The Pimps. ^^^

They have a hotline directly thru to Laurie.

When they see red ...

they start pressing the panic buttons.

Even if this were true, who cares?

I pay nothing to use this site. I don't have to watch ads if I don't want. I don't get random phone calls asking me to buy something.

...but hosting a website costs money. It aint free.

So, if what you are claiming were true. Good on em. Someone else pays for Seabreeze, and its okay with me. Unless of course you want it to be fair and true and a paid subscription...?