LeeD said..
A stubbie is still designed for early planing with upwind ability in mind. Turns sharp.
Similar to Slate concept. More area underfoot.
For pure high wind with control, the old rounded pin with lots of V, thin rails, and a bit of weight is hard to beat....but boringly old.

You didnt really answer the question.

Years ago I sailed in comparable conditions with 65 kg and I've always chosen Boards around 70-72ltr. When you're not chasing storms you can go up to 75ltr but not 80+. I sailed a 72 Goya Custom Quad several times at 40kts+ on a 3.0 and that worked fine for me. Control is much more important over speed at high winds and the heavier guys beat you anyway when they are full powered. I personally wouldn't chose a Stubby because of the wide tail.

Jp wave slate. stubby design by the way. Where is the big wide tail?

duzzi said..

Gestalt said..

LeeD said..
A stubbie is still designed for early planing with upwind ability in mind. Turns sharp.
Similar to Slate concept. More area underfoot.
For pure high wind with control, the old rounded pin with lots of V, thin rails, and a bit of weight is hard to beat....but boringly old.

You didnt really answer the question.

My take on the stubbies is that the culprit is the parallel outline, combined with the resulting wide tail. The parallel outline makes them sail bigger than a board with the same volume but of traditional outline (the outline is that of a 290 long board, with 30 cm cut off at both ends), and the wide tail makes them harder to control in anything other than a straight line.

Of course if you pick a stubby commensurate to your weight they work for the intended conditions. My guess is that for my 72Kg the FSW 85 was sailing around 0.5 square meters bigger than my RRD FSW 85. So a Stubby 80 would have worked fine.

Still there must be a reason why everybody, including Fanatic, is moving away from the Stubby (if they ever went there). This includes Slalom and Freerace boards, where wide tails have been pretty much out for a few years.

Are manufacturers moving away from the stubby concept?
anytime you see the phrases, compact, modern etc they are code for stubby.

all of the starboard boards are stubby's. starboard use the term compact.
all of the severnes are stubby. severne use the term modern which is a direct reference to the modern planning hull which was the first stubby. 2 of their latest boards are stubby through and through.
JP are all stubby except their 21 ultimate wave board which is getting less stubby.
fanatic are still doing stubby's, the ultra grip not so much but the grip never was.

a stubby is not defined by it's tail design. it is in essence reducing a board to it's functional length and incorporating parallels rails for speed. you can have pin tailed stubby's, diamond tailed stubby's and everything inbetween. reality is stubby boards are narrower for the same length when compared to traditional boards because of the way the volume is distributed. the wider comments are simply a function of the particular tail design the designer uses and are not a result of being stubby. one of the strong points with stubby's is how well they turn. the first time i ever saw someone do a 180 degree top turn on a wave face it was on the fanatic 77 stubby TE. no single fin board could ever match that board for maneuverability. what projected the whole stubby thing into the mainstream was Kelly Slater wining on a stubby so to say they can't turn is simple untrue.

probably more accurate is your comment that people pick the wrong volume and feel the boards are too big. or people don;t like the reduced length some stubby's have. surfers know to go a size down when looking at stubby designs.

here are the 2 boards discussed by the op. i scaled them in autocad based on fanatic spec, traced them and overlaid them.
tri wave in magenta,
stubby TE in cyan.

where is the extra tail width being talked about?

I'm talking about the area starting between the straps running to the back of the board. Normally I would have talked about one foot off or two feet off but applying this to a conventional to stubby shape comparison doesn't make sense. Look at the back strap area. In your comparison it is 1cm wider on each side. This in combination with the rocker creates the difference.

Hanstholm said..
I'm talking about the area starting between the straps running to the back of the board. Normally I would have talked about one foot off or two feet off but applying this to a conventional to stubby shape comparison doesn't make sense. Look at the back strap area. In your comparison it is 1cm wider on each side. This in combination with the rocker creates the difference.

agree the ofo convention is an older measure that is not really the full story these days.

with the fanatics there is a crossover point mid way between the traps where the width is the same.
with JP's there is about 7mm difference each side mid way between the straps so approx. 15mm all up. that again is hard to measure as rail tuck amounts vary so both boards planing widths could be more similar or more different.

i'll put it to you that as the width mid straps is almost identical, the differences in feel between these boards are more about 1. rocker 2. length 3. volume behind the strap and less about the width at the back strap. either way it's an interesting study that shows width is not the big difference here.

as a side note, i've measured the 95lt fanatic stubby and it has an interesting rocker. 2 planing flats between the straps.

I know, wave sailing on NorCal, I'd pick the Ult Wave .
For onshore wind, the others get a little nod, but FSW is the choice.

duzzi said..

Gestalt said..
Jp wave slate. stubby design by the way. Where is the big wide tail?

Exactly, it is not a stubby. It is a regular board with a tail with a bit less taper and some short straight lines cut off instead of curved ones. Same for the front.

It is just looks. The 2017 Fanatic "stubby revolution" is dead.

Maybe ,,dead'' is a bit harsh. It was just a shape evolution step to improve sailing in marginal conditions I would say. Some aspects as parallel outlines are still in Boards like the SV Dyno and Nano or the Quatro Cube for example.

duzzi said..

Gestalt said..
Jp wave slate. stubby design by the way. Where is the big wide tail?

Exactly, it is not a stubby. It is a regular board with a tail with a bit less taper and some short straight lines cut off instead of curved ones. Same for the front.

It is just looks. The 2017 Fanatic "stubby revolution" is dead.

Of course its a stubby.

Hanstholm said..

duzzi said..

Gestalt said..
Jp wave slate. stubby design by the way. Where is the big wide tail?

Exactly, it is not a stubby. It is a regular board with a tail with a bit less taper and some short straight lines cut off instead of curved ones. Same for the front.

It is just looks. The 2017 Fanatic "stubby revolution" is dead.

Maybe ,,dead'' is a bit harsh. It was just a shape evolution step to improve sailing in marginal conditions I would say. Some aspects as parallel outlines are still in Boards like the SV Dyno and Nano or the Quatro Cube for example.

I wouldn't say the Stubby concept is dead. You can see the influence on current crop of boards. However I do think the first more radical Stubby's were a bit specialized. I have sailed the Fanatic Stubby TE 76/82, FW STB 85, Quatro Super Mini 78, Severne Nano 2 82 - so a few different Stubbies as well as some modern more Traditional boards such as Fanatic Grip TE 76/82 & Goya Custom 3/4. Also as was pointed out, but not made crystal clear the Fanatic FW STB is a totally different board from the Fanatic Stubby TE. I currently have a 2019 Fanatic Stubby TE 82 & weigh about 79kg. Though I really enjoy the Stubby I would not recommend it as an only high wind board - it gets a bit lively when well powered on a 3.7 for instance. I have also ridden the 76ltr version & don't feel you would gain much control -though it would suit the lightweight better. For Gestalt: I think the reason the Stubby boards may offer less control than a more traditional board is the back foot being so close to the tail. Yes the tail is a bit wider as you show in the outline comparison, but mainly I think the extra tail out the back on a less Stubby shape adds a bit of "trim tab" effect - helping to keep the nose down when overpowered, & possibly a bit more directional stability in a straight line. If the OP like to make a lot of tight turns on the swell/chop & Jump etc & prefers not to ride overpowered, than the Stubby could still work. But if your main focus is speed & control than the the the new 2020/21 FW 75 would probably a great board. That said I haven't ridden it. Alternately, I can say that the Grip 76 would probably work really well as it rides low in the water so has good control & the narrow tail hold in very well. Even though it is a full on wave board & rides well in a straight line while still having a good turn of speed. Only thing you might give up over the FW 75 is a bit of early planing ability...

Just my .02

Yes, Grip is good for high wind.
NOT a stubbie.