KA Sails 2017

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elmo
elmo
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19 Oct 2016 7:14am
John340 said..
These have just been posted on Facebook. Has anyone tried them?




Hopefully the "testers"

DarrylG
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19 Oct 2016 4:37pm
Is that a life picture of Troppo on the wall?
Jezstrt
Jezstrt
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21 Oct 2016 10:00pm
I was lucky enough to receive my new 5.4, 6.2 and 7m 2017 KA koncpets today. I did a quick rig of the 7m tonight, as I was a little bit excited.

I had to rig the sail on a Severne 430 blueline SDM mast. I'm waiting on my RDM cams to arrive, so that i can rig all my new koncepts on my KA RDM masts.

Here's quick look at it and hopefully i can get it out on the water tomorrow..

They look very nice :)











firiebob
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21 Oct 2016 7:37pm
Jezstrt said..

Here's quick look at it and hopefully i can get it out on the water tomorrow..

They look very nice :)



Very nice

I've got a new 5.8 Koncept waiting for me in WA for when I get back, should go well with my new red Carbon Art which is also there waiting for me, xmas will be early
mr love
mr love
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21 Oct 2016 10:53pm
Yellow is way brighter in the flesh...they are pretty loud, so I hope your not shy!!
eastcoast
eastcoast
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22 Oct 2016 6:32am
Is the clew cut out deeper?
mr love
mr love
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23 Oct 2016 9:44am
Some happy snaps from Sandy Point and the Netherlands.














mr love
mr love
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24 Oct 2016 10:23am
A couple more from yesterday if you are interested.







w100
w100
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26 Oct 2016 8:35pm
Feedback?
nauli
nauli
WA
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2 Nov 2016 2:02pm
I saw Chris and Jesper out with their new KA Races yesterday....the first thing I noticed was that they seem tight in the leach...tighter than the 2016?
I like the look of them....imo the colour combo is better than the orange/white. Not surprisingly, the lads were going very well on them...
Spotty
Spotty
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6 Nov 2016 5:18pm
The leech has very even progressive look/looseness and tightens up evenly under load, no flapping about needlessly, just flappin fast with control .

I used the 5.5 Ka RaceSL' Pro yesterday in gusty 25_35, very well behaved and some sweet acceleration. Had plenty of grunt too, as I would normally be on a 5.8 so maybe some gain with less drag. Just wished the wind had of been a constant 35+ for the speedo to keep on climbing at that initial 1.8m/s2 between 30 and 40.

Used the 7.1 which has been a real favorite for the last few years and paced well against Mr Love & SailQuick who were on their 7.1's and comfortable where I would normally be on meter bigger.

KaRace Gets a big Thumbs Up!












ka43
ka43
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6 Nov 2016 5:45pm
Hey Craig, surely those 3 GT31's belting you in the melon must hurt in 35+ knots??
Spotty
Spotty
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6 Nov 2016 6:00pm
Thats what the helmet and goggles are for , nah it's tied down, so no problem there just got tired of the sliding down the arm rigmarole.
choco
choco
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6 Nov 2016 6:38pm
Did you use RDM mast? I like the fact the sails can be rigged on both SDM-RDM masts, nice number out of the bag Spotty
Spotty
Spotty
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6 Nov 2016 8:13pm
choco said..
Did you use RDM mast? I like the fact the sails can be rigged on both SDM-RDM masts, nice number out of the bag Spotty


Used SDM to put it in beefcake mode , still a bit of tuning and break in for 5.5 rotation to loosen up a bit. Yet to sail it with RDM which will be choice in the 6.3 too for blasting back n forth or just sending it at LG .
TASSIEROCKS
TASSIEROCKS
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7 Nov 2016 5:41pm
Nice going Spotty... new KA toys in time for the wind love it...

I am interested in your reason for such wide harness lines?
Does this help with trim angles

Kind Regards Russ


that sail looks sweet
Spotty
Spotty
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7 Nov 2016 7:05pm
...few reasons Russ, apart from a bit old school and just how I roll

-Yes helps with making minor trim of sheet in/out, useful on a curved run or changing angle of your run mid way thru due to power/wind strength fluctuations.
-More locked in and braced feel, if they are close together wave/free style your hook/hips will be swingin off a pendulum somewhat.
-Harness lines too long, so spread them apart to shorten drop/depth.
-I'm heavy, so having them close together point loading the boom not a good idea.

Yet to try our euro counterparts crazy super low boom and short lines technique that works for them.
TASSIEROCKS
TASSIEROCKS
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7 Nov 2016 7:19pm




Spotty said..
...few reasons Russ, apart from a bit old school and just how I roll

-Yes helps with making minor trim of sheet in/out, useful on a curved run or changing angle of your run mid way thru due to power/wind strength fluctuations.
-More locked in and braced feel, if they are close together wave/free style your hook/hips will be swingin off a pendulum somewhat.
-Harness lines too long, so spread them apart to shorten drop/depth.
-I'm heavy, so having them close together point loading the boom not a good idea.

Yet to try our euro counterparts crazy super low boom and short lines technique that works for them.



Fantastic tips there Spotty best one I have had in years so I will be looking forward to trying this...

I can see how it will improve the line drop out I get when I go deep off the wind and holding the sweet spot when changing angles as you sail off the wind .

keep up the pro tips mate I think I need them of late

Cheers Russ
aussieboats
aussieboats
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8 Nov 2016 8:16am
gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2016-11-05&team=16

Session from Sandy point , new ka sails leading the way 2017 , spotty nearly 47 knots

Session at budgy yesteday

gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2016-11-07&team=9

Hugh with great speed on the 2017 ka race 7.1m , cant wait to get mine on the water
choco
choco
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8 Nov 2016 2:31pm
Spotty said..
...few reasons Russ, apart from a bit old school and just how I roll

-Yes helps with making minor trim of sheet in/out, useful on a curved run or changing angle of your run mid way thru due to power/wind strength fluctuations.
-More locked in and braced feel, if they are close together wave/free style your hook/hips will be swingin off a pendulum somewhat.
-Harness lines too long, so spread them apart to shorten drop/depth.
-I'm heavy, so having them close together point loading the boom not a good idea.

Yet to try our euro counterparts crazy super low boom and short lines technique that works for them.


I've used a roller instead of hook for past 10+ years and they are so easy to trim the sail compared to a hook and the best part the let you fly when catapulted (release you from harness lines)
morts
morts
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18 Dec 2016 8:57am
If looking at using KA RDM masts (430/400) in the Koncept what is the benefit of the 100% over the 75%?
mr love
mr love
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18 Dec 2016 2:42pm
Noticeably lighter. Rig feels more alive.
morts
morts
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18 Dec 2016 12:47pm
Thanks Martin

Is that physically lighter, lighter feel or a combination of both? I'm guessing both. On the physical weights, the KA site lists all 400's @ 1.5kg & 430's @ 1.7kg whether they are 75%, 100%, SDM or RDM. I expected a bit of variation in the actual weights.
Jezstrt
Jezstrt
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9 Mar 2017 9:13pm
I just wanted to pass on my findings with rigging the 2017 7m KA koncept on a 100% KA 430 RDM mast, to be honest it took me quiet a bit of trial and error to get the sail rigging and feeling really nice. Thanks to Martin and sailquick for helping me as well.

I found that I was rigging the sail with to much downhoaul which was killing the bottom end and found the cams were not stiff enough. I am now rigging the sail with 1 - 2cm less downhaul than what is printed on the sail. I have also been giving it 5cm less out-haul, than what is printed on the sail.

In relation to cams for the RDM mast, i have left the SDM cam in for the top cam and replaced the two bottom cams with RDM cams. I have also placed a single thick spacer between all three cams.

Once i got the tuning right, i am really loving the 7m koncpet. It has plenty of bottom end, rotates so easily but is still stiff when pumping in light winds.





firiebob
firiebob
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9 Mar 2017 8:03pm
I've got the 5.8 2017 Koncept on a KA RDM, without checking I'm not sure if my downhaul is to spec but I am rigging it with neg outhaul. I really enjoy this sail, it's given me flat water and open ocean PB's
mr love
mr love
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10 Mar 2017 7:37am
Thanks for the feedback guys and glad you are enjoying the sails....will look into the boom spec print on the 7.0.... sometimes even I make a boo boo
Rob11
Rob11
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10 Mar 2017 3:11pm
Jezstrt said..
I found that I was rigging the sail with to much downhoaul which was killing the bottom end and found the cams were not stiff enough. I am now rigging the sail with 1 - 2cm less downhaul than what is printed on the sail. I have also been giving it 5cm less out-haul, than what is printed on the sail.

In relation to cams for the RDM mast, i have left the SDM cam in for the top cam and replaced the two bottom cams with RDM cams. I have also placed a single thick spacer between all three cams.


Nice R&D work for KA...
Surely a brand new sail is tested prior to releasing on the market???
mr love
mr love
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10 Mar 2017 6:51pm
Yep but a typo on an Ai file on the production artwork is all it takes, and by the way have not confirmed it is wrong yet.
Sparky
Sparky
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10 Mar 2017 9:07pm
There are so many variables that they should only be a guide anyway.
sailquik
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14 Mar 2017 11:27pm
morts said..
If looking at using KA RDM masts (430/400) in the Koncept what is the benefit of the 100% over the 75%?





25%




Oh, OK, I couldn't resit. Sorry.

I have noticed a much bigger difference between 100% and 75-80% in RDM's.

(Not so much at all in SDM's. I actually prefer 70% to 80% SDM's and they are a LOT more durable).

The difference in RDM's is in the weight and feel. The 75% feel 'dead' 'er. The 100% are not much lighter but they 'feel' a lot lighter and livelier. I far prefer 100% RDM's. The other big advantage is that 100% RDM's are VERY much more durable than SDM's. Nothing is unbreakable, but they are much closer. I snapped quite a few 100% SDM's over the years, speed sailing, (and even a few 50% and 75% SDM's as well) but I have never broken a 100% RDM. The only sails I use SDM's in now on are 7m and larger.
I tried the 2017 7.1m Race on a 430 RDM and it didn't set well (best on 460 and I haven't got a 460 RDM). In contrast, the 7M Koncept sets well on a 430 RDM, but it is meant to be set on a 430 anyhow. Last year, I still used my 7m Koncept on SDM as in that size, for me, it's all about bottom end grunt, (it was the largest sail I would normally use) and the sail set a little fuller on my SDM mast.

Oh. The other advantage of Koncepts on RDM is easier and smoother rotation, especially with the new KA RDM cams.
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