how is it ezzy can say its one of the lightest wave sails in the world when its clearly NOT.

bigdaz said..

Gestalt said..
how is it ezzy can say its one of the lightest wave sails in the world when its clearly NOT.

I was wondering where they stood in the mix as well after reading that comment, so I have been doing a bit of investigating and putting together a bit of a spread sheet with all of the data that I can find online (not all brands list the weight in the specs - but usually the ones with a reputed light weight seem to, leaving me to think that the ones that don't are due to them being heavier than others???). I'll post it soon as a separate post: LIGHT WEIGHT WAVE SAILS, once I have collected more data.

The brands I have already are Severne, Duotone, Ezzy, Point 7, Hot Sails, Neil Pryde, Naish. (If you have verifiable data on any other brands for 2020 ranges let me know on the upcoming post).

Out of the 7 brands I have data on, only Severne and the Duotone M series Super Hero come in lighter, so in my books I would say the comment is justifiable "one of the lightest sails in the world". In any case, Ezzy has been progressively reducing the weight of their sails across the ranges over the last few years and it would appear that this latest iteration has been a big step forward!!!

I'll post the spreadsheet soon for you to look at.

Avanti membrane sails are also very light. They match Severne non-pro sails for weight, but they are not quite as light as Severne pros (Avanti Echo is the only one where they decided to go super light). They seem to be more robust than Severne sails.

great work i was going to do the same but been on the water all day.

just comparing to the s1 pro the ezzy is about half a kilo heavier.

ill see if i can find any data as well.

so its pretty clear the ezzy is not one of the lightest wave sails. it's about a half kilo heavier than the lightest and when combined with the ezzy mast ends up being about a kilo heavier.

How about 5-oceans sails...there are really light as well...

uweh said..
How about 5-oceans sails...there are really light as well...

5-Oceans are custom sails so you can go with them as fancy as you want.Hotsails got the KSSpider as well, being lighter as the normal KS3, same level as the Normal S1I guess that Bigdaz compares info from the brands websites and my experience is that especially weight of some brands can be taken with a pinch of salt while for others you almost need a a Shovel. I know from my own experience that the older P7 sails where 700gr heavier as listed. NP more or less the same....and that is taking in account that not every 5.0 is really 5.0. (NP Atlas6.2 was for years a 6.6!)
With mast you see funnily often the opposite: people think a heavier mast is stronger so they list an sensible number while building it lighter so don,t trust tose number too much.
Back to Ezzy: IMO they aren,t as light as the Membranes, but shifted from the more weighthy sails to the lighter side of the middle. The rig doensnt feel as light and sporty as an Hot KSS with an Ultra mast and a Severne Pro S1 with there 100% mast, but the build quality is also different. More important as dead weight is to me the feel:
The Ezzy,s are not as lightning fast and direct as the Pro,s, but have a slightly composed handling.Not too soft but softer and more friendly to the body. I found them less exhausting as for example my older KS3 and KSS and the whole Severne Squad. The Ezzy masts are weightier as my old Hot Ultra,s but they really suit the sails way better as expected. the total sum is definitely better as the single parts. Carwise; A Mercedes GT feel instead of Ferrari(red)?

Personally I tried lots of different stuff before buying this and I don,t think the lighter Pro sails added performance for me despite the higher pricetag and lesser durability compared to the Ezzy,s. The Pro,s add a different feel but imo not sure if that suits everybody (at least it didn't suit me).

Crunching numbers is important, but it can,t beat feel.

www.5-oceans.com/ and yes it's only custom.matthew burridge the owner/sailmaker is a very skilled (and friendly) guy making lovely sails by hand.

Just picked up my new sails

Very stoked!!! They feel nice and light and have that "Ezzy" eye for detail in the construction, can't wait to get them on the water. Review to follow. Here are some pics- Ezzy Wave 4.2 and 4.7 and Taka 5.3.

Just ordered the same combo but won't be able to sail with them until March. Really interested to hear your review.

Particularly as I went from Elite 5.7 to Taka 5.3 as a replacement and Elite 5.0 (my best sail ever) to Wave 4.7. Enjoy your 2020 sessions !

Thx Bigdaz. Sounds good. 5.3 Taka should pair well with Cube 93 2020.

Today I finally got the Ezzy Wave on the water.
It was blowing very gusty up to 35knts, I rigged my 4.2 and after a couple of quick re-tunes I ended up with it on max down haul and max out haul. I paired it with my 83L Quatro Pyramid. The sail looks the goods rigged (I'll try to remember to take a photo) and you can feel that it's definitely physically lighter in the hands - so I was super keen to get it on the water and see if this lighter weight translated to a lighter feel in use. And I'm happy to say that it does. This sail feels amazing - it really does feel lighter in the hands, it's got lots of grunt but is still really balanced and easy to use - even in those gusty conditions. Nice and light in transition, jibes, duck jibes, tacks etc all felt great. The swell on the other hand wasn't really lining up on the point, so more details on how it goes there later, keen to see how it de-powers compared to the Taka (that goes completely neutral). Anyway, awesome first impressions and I'll let you know how I continue to get on with it - looking forward now to trying the 4.7.

northy1 said..
keen to learn how the new taka vs wave feel / perform, and the thinking of which one you should choose if building a new quiver!

Yeah, me too. That's why I got the 5.3 in the Taka and 4.7, 4.2 in the Wave. As I didn't have any reviews to go by I just went by trying to read between the lines from the release info and previous experience with the Taka and Elite. My thoughts were the Taka for my light wind sail, float n ride and early planing in lighter winds - predominantly in cross off. As I've had previous versions of the Taka I know it goes great in those conditions and is still quite stable and balanced when the wind picks up (lot's of range) + the 2020 is lighter as well. As I had the 2019 Elites and the Wave has replaced them, I based my presumptions that the Wave would have similar characteristics, with the bonus of being lighter physically, and in the hands, and better than the Taka in gusty wind conditions (which is generally what I get in 4.7 and 4.2 weather). So far I feel it's a good combo having them both, but still waiting to get the "Wave" out in proper waves.

Anyway, will keep you posted!!!

Just a general point / pet pieve - in post above and always hearing this POV down the beach / on forums - classic comments re wavesails HAVING to go neutral to be a true wavesail and waveride with - ........ in my experience is a total myth ... Body positioning and how you move the hands / sail MORE determine if a sail goes ' neutral' off the top - or even needs to go neutral more to the point ! .... Its all in the body language and skills learnt ... Ive got another brands sail - that has lots of preshape and defo not a classic ON/OFF power delivery - yet I can throw it into exactly the same turns etc as my other sails - and in some ways you can make that board turn BETTER with that steady power - once you know how to exploit it / where to park it / what to do with the body positioning to pre-empt it . Its all about techniques and setting up any body & sail placements with 'pre' move techniques ....

seabreezer said..
Just a general point / pet pieve - in post above and always hearing this POV down the beach / on forums - classic comments re wavesails HAVING to go neutral to be a true wavesail and waveride with - ........ in my experience is a total myth ... Body positioning and how you move the hands / sail MORE determine if a sail goes ' neutral' off the top - or even needs to go neutral more to the point ! .... Its all in the body language and skills learnt ... Ive got another brands sail - that has lots of preshape and defo not a classic ON/OFF power delivery - yet I can throw it into exactly the same turns etc as my other sails - and in some ways you can make that board turn BETTER with that steady power - once you know how to exploit it / where to park it / what to do with the body positioning to pre-empt it . Its all about techniques and setting up any body & sail placements with 'pre' move techniques ....

I hear what u r saying and would definitely agree that a sail doesn't have to go completely neutral to be a wave sail. In my opinion though, there are sails that naturally go more "neutral" than others. If u were to grade them on some sort of scale then u would have some at either end at the extremes and the rest scattered somewhere between those two points. For my 2019 sails I chose the Elites, and I was a bit nervous after having the Taka's that I might not get on well with them as I really like the way the Taka's went completely neutral in transition and on the wave when positioned correctly, but I really wanted to give them a run, so just went for it. After getting comfortable with the Elites (which didn't take long - very nice sails) I found that even though they wouldn't go completely neutral that it was just a matter of understanding where and how the power was and re-poisoning hands and sail to still have a very light feeling controllable sail. So yes, body/hand position will go a long way to having a sail release and feel more neutral. The main difference for me was that the Taka went neutral almost automatically, I didn't have to really think about it. Where with the Elite, it had more of a constant, controllable power and never had that completely neutral feeling - not better or worse, just different. Both are awesome wave sails!!!

seabreezer said..
Just a general point / pet pieve - in post above and always hearing this POV down the beach / on forums - classic comments re wavesails HAVING to go neutral to be a true wavesail and waveride with - ........ in my experience is a total myth ... Body positioning and how you move the hands / sail MORE determine if a sail goes ' neutral' off the top - or even needs to go neutral more to the point ! .... Its all in the body language and skills learnt ... Ive got another brands sail - that has lots of preshape and defo not a classic ON/OFF power delivery - yet I can throw it into exactly the same turns etc as my other sails - and in some ways you can make that board turn BETTER with that steady power - once you know how to exploit it / where to park it / what to do with the body positioning to pre-empt it . Its all about techniques and setting up any body & sail placements with 'pre' move techniques ....

You are easily peeved if that annoys you!

However, I admit that my technique is a bit poor and I also tend to wave sail fully powered or overpowered (I'm not really into slog and ride) so both of those things mean I am probably not creating the optimal set-up for DTL sailing.