petermac33 said...
I prefer using negative outhaul on all points of sail.

For one i can't be bothered with the hassle and added weight of adjustable outhaul.

Also,i like to use a smaller sail than is necessary for comfort more than performance. I dislike the feel of 7m or larger size sails,they ALL feel heavy to me.

Using a smaller sail,i use the high clew eyelet,use max negative outhaul and a bit less downhaul,all helps to power up the sail,though nothing will make up for that extra half a metre of sail for pure performance.

Reckon it's a bit of a myth that bagging the sail out is not good for upwind. If the wind is the consistent,yes a bit of positive can help. On the river, conditions are so on/off that you need the power in the lulls to get upwind.

Adding extra downhaul than is needed results in too much spilling of the wind,killing upwind performance hugely.

I think it best you cease to communicate .

Gestalt said...

petermac33 said...
I prefer using negative outhaul on all points of sail.

For one i can't be bothered with the hassle and added weight of adjustable outhaul.

Also,i like to use a smaller sail than is necessary for comfort more than performance. I dislike the feel of 7m or larger size sails,they ALL feel heavy to me.

Using a smaller sail,i use the high clew eyelet,use max negative outhaul and a bit less downhaul,all helps to power up the sail,though nothing will make up for that extra half a metre of sail for pure performance.

Reckon it's a bit of a myth that bagging the sail out is not good for upwind. If the wind is the consistent,yes a bit of positive can help. On the river, conditions are so on/off that you need the power in the lulls to get upwind.

Adding extra downhaul than is needed results in too much spilling of the wind,killing upwind performance hugely.

maybe that's the problem , N/P sails like to be set at specified settings , with less outhaul they will feel heavy

petermac33 said...
I prefer using negative outhaul on all points of sail.

For one i can't be bothered with the hassle and added weight of adjustable outhaul.

Also,i like to use a smaller sail than is necessary for comfort more than performance. I dislike the feel of 7m or larger size sails,they ALL feel heavy to me.

Using a smaller sail,i use the high clew eyelet,use max negative outhaul and a bit less downhaul,all helps to power up the sail,though nothing will make up for that extra half a metre of sail for pure performance.

Reckon it's a bit of a myth that bagging the sail out is not good for upwind. If the wind is the consistent,yes a bit of positive can help. On the river, conditions are so on/off that you need the power in the lulls to get upwind.

Adding extra downhaul than is needed results in too much spilling of the wind,killing upwind performance hugely.

Peter clearly the cumulative effects of modern society have resulted in the claptrap you have peddled above

What you are perceiving as power rigging sails this way just isn't - hence the ridiculous claim of 7m plus feeling heavy

My 6.3m warp feels half the weight of my 7m warp,another reason not to use the 7m.

The 7.1m KA i had felt bigger again.

May only be a few hundred grammes difference but i repeat it feels twice as heavy,and/or bigger!

Only ever sailed with negative outhaul really,short of a strong winter front. Most agree that positive outhaul does help upwind, though for me especially thru the lulls negative works best on all points of sail!

Agree,positive outhaul does help cam rotation in a big way.

keef said...

petermac33 said...
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May only be a few hundred grammes difference but i repeat it feels twice as heavy,and/or bigger!

im not sure if the actual weight of the sail determines if the sail will be light or heavy when sailing

I think what you are referring to is the actual weight of the sail and the feel of the sail when a Gust hits it. both are correct in my opinion. I have used a reflex 4 7.0 metre and a NCX 7.0 metre and the difference in physical weight is staggering but the gust response is not that different. The NCX is very light in construction and also rigs on a wave boom where as the reflex 4 is built to withstand the massive amounts of rig tension it uses and also requires a heavier boom. how this pans out is the NCX feels like a feather when sub planning and the reflex feels like a race sail with 8 battens and 4 cams. however! when powered up the reflex 4 feels very light actually and the NCX is perhaps a tiny bit heavier due to a slightly less locked in shape. The common denominator I've found is downhaul tension. not enough of it and the sail can feel heavy and when you get it right, even a sail like my reflex 9.6 can feel surprisingly light.

I would be very interested to hear from some wave sailors on this. I haven't wave sailed in a very long time but that will change next summer. My quiver will be quite limited so I need sails that are powerful for light stuff but can depower when necessary. Any suggestions much appreciated

Wood Duck said...

petermac33 said...
I prefer using negative outhaul on all points of sail.

For one i can't be bothered with the hassle and added weight of adjustable outhaul.

Also,i like to use a smaller sail than is necessary for comfort more than performance. I dislike the feel of 7m or larger size sails,they ALL feel heavy to me.

Using a smaller sail,i use the high clew eyelet,use max negative outhaul and a bit less downhaul,all helps to power up the sail,though nothing will make up for that extra half a metre of sail for pure performance.

Reckon it's a bit of a myth that bagging the sail out is not good for upwind. If the wind is the consistent,yes a bit of positive can help. On the river, conditions are so on/off that you need the power in the lulls to get upwind.

Adding extra downhaul than is needed results in too much spilling of the wind,killing upwind performance hugely.

I think it best you cease to communicate .

Communication usually involves listening

I bet this guy knows what he's doing!
If you still don't get it after watching this vid...
There's a second one with tuning tips, let me know if you need that one

I agree with Snides the boom sounds like it needs to be longer