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waterbuoy
waterbuoy
5 posts
5 posts
11 Dec 2015 7:46pm
On costs - I got tired of snapping alloy booms (and needing to buy replacements), took the plunge and went to carbon - NP x7 for wave/ freeride and HPL for the race sails. That was at least ten years and both are still going strong ( though not as pretty as they once were ). I'm pretty sure it has "saved"me cash in the long term ( if that phrase can be used relating to windsurfing gear ) regardless of any performance advantages they may have.
Thinking as I type this that one is now bound to break next sail !
TheTank
TheTank
124 posts
124 posts
11 Dec 2015 9:23pm
@BSN101

The German magazine SURF tested a bunch of alu and carbon booms in 2011. They measured the force needed to pull the boomarms apart.

Force measured in N/mm (higher numbers means a stiffer boom). All booms tested in 180-240 range.

Looking at the numbers the carbon tail of a NP X6 doesn't add any stiffnes compared to other alu booms. Also the cheapest carbon booms are barely stiffer than the stiffest alu booms.

Below are the test result directly from the magazine.

Brand and type of boom / force needed at 10 cm extension / force needed at 44 cm extension

ALU
Aeron OS Slalom / 32 / 25
Aeron V-Grip / 31 / 19
AL360 Ergal / 26 / 22
Gun Expert / 24 / 19
NP X3 / 27 / 22
NP X6 hybrid / 28 / 23
North Sails Gold / 26 / 21
North Sails Silver / 22 / 21
Prolimit Assault V-grip / 31 / 25
Severne Race / 30 / 24
Unifiber Universal / 19 / 17
Unifiber RDG / 18 / 15

CARBON
Gun Select / 35 / 29
Prolimit RDG Team / 39 / 27
Gaastra Blue / 44 / 34
NP X9 / 46 / 39
AL 360 / 60 / 49
North Sails Platinum / 65 / 60
Severne Enigma / 71 / 56

morts
morts
WA
192 posts
WA, 192 posts
11 Dec 2015 9:33pm
Does anybody have any experience good or bad with RRD Carbon booms. Are they manufafctured by or specifically for RRD or rebadged from another manufacture?
uweh
uweh
311 posts
311 posts
12 Dec 2015 12:20am
morts said..
Does anybody have any experience good or bad with RRD Carbon booms. Are they manufafctured by or specifically for RRD or rebadged from another manufacture?



morts said..
Does anybody have any experience good or bad with RRD Carbon booms. Are they manufafctured by or specifically for RRD or rebadged from another manufacture?



they are made by aeron too,,,
petermac33
petermac33
WA
6415 posts
WA, 6415 posts
12 Dec 2015 12:24am
I tried my Maui wave carbon 170-230 today on 226 cm extension on a 8.4m and it was absolutely terrible.

When I looked back at the boom there was a huge bend or deflection where the extension meets the boom arms.

It was still sail-able but I was scared to pump the sail in case the boom went.

I tried this boom with another sail on 209 cm ext and it felt ok. Feels awesome at 190cm.

Booms feel a lot better with less extension!
morts
morts
WA
192 posts
WA, 192 posts
12 Dec 2015 6:12am
Thanks Uweh
ratz
ratz
WA
481 posts
WA, 481 posts
13 Dec 2015 12:57pm
the end result is buy a serverne enigma.
best boom by a long way.
col5555
col5555
WA
386 posts
WA, 386 posts
13 Dec 2015 9:04pm
Did the german results show the weights of the respective booms.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
13 Dec 2015 9:11pm
petermac33 said..
I tried my Maui wave carbon 170-230 today on 226 cm extension on a 8.4m and it was absolutely terrible.

When I looked back at the boom there was a huge bend or deflection where the extension meets the boom arms.

It was still sail-able but I was scared to pump the sail in case the boom went.

I tried this boom with another sail on 209 cm ext and it felt ok. Feels awesome at 190cm.

Booms feel a lot better with less extension!


Is the end piece loose-ish in the arms? Some booms are just sloppy there so it is not actually bending.
Sloppy fit is not necessarily bad as it reduces wear
I find old ally booms are a lot tighter than newer carbon ones.
Some quality carbon booms have quite a "bend" (even though it is not bending) at full extension but are still lasting well
petermac33
petermac33
WA
6415 posts
WA, 6415 posts
14 Dec 2015 1:23am
Yes,the extension is not that snug to the boom arms but then few if any are-- unfortunately.

At 226cm extension I tested its stiffness on the grass and it was like bendy as!

Great boom but much past 210cm I don't rate it.

My preferred boom is the North Aero 190-250,then a Severne Enigma 190-240.

Out of my range though
slalomfreak
slalomfreak
NSW
304 posts
NSW, 304 posts
14 Dec 2015 7:24am
Got a Severne Enigma carbon 170-230 to replace my 5yo Maui sails 190-240.
Agonized for a long time over what to get.
The MS carbon has served me well.
No problems with the head or clips.
Nice strong, stiff ,bomb proof boom.
The Enigma is a very stiff boom too,but much lighter than the MS.
Nice solid well built look about it,adjusting the arms is a snap.
Cant really fault it but only time will tell.
On the water with a 7.0 at 200cm in spite of the fact that the Severene is much lighter I could not really detect any performance advantage over the heavier MS boom.
Don't think boom weight really matters as much as we believe.

TheTank
TheTank
124 posts
124 posts
14 Dec 2015 8:01am
col5555 said..
Did the german results show the weights of the respective booms.


Yes they did. If you're going for light weight then buy an alloy.

Check out the link, it's the full test (German only)

www.amimusicalencon.free.fr/WISH.pdf
Stuthepirate
Stuthepirate
SA
3591 posts
SA, 3591 posts
14 Dec 2015 11:25am
I went to a carbon boom this season.
My last ali boom was a Aeron V Grip, which i stil have but it's my back up boom now.
I went with a 211 Components 160-210mm
My sail range is from 4.2m (159mm) to 5.8m (184mm) and the stiffness or responsiveness is remarkably different from the v grip, which i thought was fairly stiff for an ali boom.
The carbon was so much different that i've had to adjust the way i sail a little
Price wise i saved about $400 on an enigma and around $300 chinook.

goyawindsurfing.com/
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
14 Dec 2015 12:46pm
Mark _australia said..


petermac33 said..
I tried my Maui wave carbon 170-230 today on 226 cm extension on a 8.4m and it was absolutely terrible.

When I looked back at the boom there was a huge bend or deflection where the extension meets the boom arms.

It was still sail-able but I was scared to pump the sail in case the boom went.

I tried this boom with another sail on 209 cm ext and it felt ok. Feels awesome at 190cm.

Booms feel a lot better with less extension!




Is the end piece loose-ish in the arms? Some booms are just sloppy there so it is not actually bending.
Sloppy fit is not necessarily bad as it reduces wear
I find old ally booms are a lot tighter than newer carbon ones.
Some quality carbon booms have quite a "bend" (even though it is not bending) at full extension but are still lasting well



Peter,
Finally something we agree on
here's a link to a previous thread outlining my disappointment with the 170-230 MS boom. Reinforces your sentiments exactly and I know of 3 others who have had the same problems with that model boom. Cannot fault the 190-240 MS carbon boom though.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/Carbon-boomsGASP/?page=-2
John340
John340
QLD
3410 posts
QLD, 3410 posts
15 Dec 2015 6:26am
sausage said..

Mark _australia said..



petermac33 said..
I tried my Maui wave carbon 170-230 today on 226 cm extension on a 8.4m and it was absolutely terrible.

When I looked back at the boom there was a huge bend or deflection where the extension meets the boom arms.

It was still sail-able but I was scared to pump the sail in case the boom went.

I tried this boom with another sail on 209 cm ext and it felt ok. Feels awesome at 190cm.

Booms feel a lot better with less extension!





Is the end piece loose-ish in the arms? Some booms are just sloppy there so it is not actually bending.
Sloppy fit is not necessarily bad as it reduces wear
I find old ally booms are a lot tighter than newer carbon ones.
Some quality carbon booms have quite a "bend" (even though it is not bending) at full extension but are still lasting well




Peter,
Finally something we agree on
here's a link to a previous thread outlining my disappointment with the 170-230 MS boom. Reinforces your sentiments exactly and I know of 3 others who have had the same problems with that model boom. Cannot fault the 190-240 MS carbon boom though.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/Carbon-boomsGASP/?page=-2


I can't fault the Maui 190-240 MS carbon boom as well. Solid as the proverbial brick ****house at all extensions.
JBFletch
JBFletch
QLD
1287 posts
QLD, 1287 posts
15 Dec 2015 7:07am
AUS 808 said...
This guy goes to an awful lot of trouble to get the full package, some good ideas and 10 points for persevering

It has amazed me for years & years why companies with huge budgets cannot get it all together.

I have seen the North Platinum first hand and bits of the head break, tiny bits of string break & the grip does peel off, no different to the other big brands.

The North back end is unusual and seems to work but whistles badly without tape covering the holes.




The grip issue is fixed as is the front end.
See the new ifront 2.0
It's light and has way less fiddly bits.

Regarding whistling....
I think if you go faster the whistle turns to a tune something similar to "highway to he'll"

WindWarrior
WindWarrior
NSW
1019 posts
NSW, 1019 posts
15 Dec 2015 10:18am
ratz said..
the end result is buy a serverne enigma.
best boom by a long way.


Make sure you order/buy a new set of clips when you get your boom...
Just saying !
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
15 Dec 2015 9:01am
Any thoughts on the Unifibre carbon booms?

Mine seems to be going strong, not that I'm exceptionally harsh on them.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
15 Dec 2015 12:27pm
WindWarrior said..

ratz said..
the end result is buy a serverne enigma.
best boom by a long way.



Make sure you order/buy a new set of clips when you get your boom...
Just saying !


Sure that was a one-time batch issue, plastic now fixed.
sonny2727
sonny2727
VIC
155 posts
VIC, 155 posts
18 Dec 2015 12:28pm
from what I've read X6 is just a waste of money ...there was one test few years back done for by german wind magazine and found theres no difference in stiffness. I dont think current models can be any different. Save your money and try getting a second hand carbon or pay the full price for a carbon
mmilhazes
mmilhazes
98 posts
98 posts
1 Jan 2016 2:05am
I have a severne enigma prototype that was from Steve Allen. 180-226 Boom

It´s the best boom i have ever had and sailed!!
Robust as a rock and a very wide boom that lets you open the sail outhaul with out the sail touching the boom!!
It has also a little V shap which is perfect for my body structure!!

Want to buy another one but they are to expensive in europe!! More than 1000€ for a new one!!
slalomfreak
slalomfreak
NSW
304 posts
NSW, 304 posts
1 Jan 2016 9:42am
Stuthepirate said..
I went to a carbon boom this season.
My last ali boom was a Aeron V Grip, which i stil have but it's my back up boom now.
I went with a 211 Components 160-210mm
My sail range is from 4.2m (159mm) to 5.8m (184mm) and the stiffness or responsiveness is remarkably different from the v grip, which i thought was fairly stiff for an ali boom.
The carbon was so much different that i've had to adjust the way i sail a little
Price wise i saved about $400 on an enigma and around $300 chinook.

goyawindsurfing.com/


The 211 carbon looks like a re-badged Aeron?
petermac33
petermac33
WA
6415 posts
WA, 6415 posts
1 Jan 2016 2:50pm
I tried the Maui carbon booom 190-240 on a 7.6 with a clew of around 230cm.

The stiffness / solidness is without precedent. Not the slightest bend in the boom I could detect.

Can only imagine what it would feel like with a sail with a 190 clew.

If you are willing to trade off increased weight for amazing solidness then this might well be the boom for you.
uweh
uweh
311 posts
311 posts
1 Jan 2016 7:22pm
slalomfreak said..

Stuthepirate said..
I went to a carbon boom this season.
My last ali boom was a Aeron V Grip, which i stil have but it's my back up boom now.
I went with a 211 Components 160-210mm
My sail range is from 4.2m (159mm) to 5.8m (184mm) and the stiffness or responsiveness is remarkably different from the v grip, which i thought was fairly stiff for an ali boom.
The carbon was so much different that i've had to adjust the way i sail a little
Price wise i saved about $400 on an enigma and around $300 chinook.

goyawindsurfing.com/



The 211 carbon looks like a re-badged Aeron?



petermac33 said..
I tried the Maui carbon booom 190-240 on a 7.6 with a clew of around 230cm.

The stiffness / solidness is without precedent. Not the slightest bend in the boom I could detect.

Can only imagine what it would feel like with a sail with a 190 clew.

If you are willing to trade off increased weight for amazing solidness then this might well be the boom for you.




petermac33 said..
I tried the Maui carbon booom 190-240 on a 7.6 with a clew of around 230cm.

The stiffness / solidness is without precedent. Not the slightest bend in the boom I could detect.

Can only imagine what it would feel like with a sail with a 190 clew.

If you are willing to trade off increased weight for amazing solidness then this might well be the boom for you.




petermac33 said..
I tried the Maui carbon booom 190-240 on a 7.6 with a clew of around 230cm.

The stiffness / solidness is without precedent. Not the slightest bend in the boom I could detect.

Can only imagine what it would feel like with a sail with a 190 clew.

If you are willing to trade off increased weight for amazing solidness then this might well be the boom for you.



yes it is aeron made !
VIC, 112 posts
2 Jan 2016 1:19pm
uweh said..

slalomfreak said..


Stuthepirate said..
I went to a carbon boom this season.
My last ali boom was a Aeron V Grip, which i stil have but it's my back up boom now.
I went with a 211 Components 160-210mm
My sail range is from 4.2m (159mm) to 5.8m (184mm) and the stiffness or responsiveness is remarkably different from the v grip, which i thought was fairly stiff for an ali boom.
The carbon was so much different that i've had to adjust the way i sail a little
Price wise i saved about $400 on an enigma and around $300 chinook.

goyawindsurfing.com/




The 211 carbon looks like a re-badged Aeron?





petermac33 said..
I tried the Maui carbon booom 190-240 on a 7.6 with a clew of around 230cm.

The stiffness / solidness is without precedent. Not the slightest bend in the boom I could detect.

Can only imagine what it would feel like with a sail with a 190 clew.

If you are willing to trade off increased weight for amazing solidness then this might well be the boom for you.






petermac33 said..
I tried the Maui carbon booom 190-240 on a 7.6 with a clew of around 230cm.

The stiffness / solidness is without precedent. Not the slightest bend in the boom I could detect.

Can only imagine what it would feel like with a sail with a 190 clew.

If you are willing to trade off increased weight for amazing solidness then this might well be the boom for you.






petermac33 said..
I tried the Maui carbon booom 190-240 on a 7.6 with a clew of around 230cm.

The stiffness / solidness is without precedent. Not the slightest bend in the boom I could detect.

Can only imagine what it would feel like with a sail with a 190 clew.

If you are willing to trade off increased weight for amazing solidness then this might well be the boom for you.




yes it is aeron made !


No its not. They might all come from the same factory, but they are not made by Aeron.
uweh
uweh
311 posts
311 posts
2 Jan 2016 4:50pm
oh name it !
John340
John340
QLD
3410 posts
QLD, 3410 posts
3 Jan 2016 2:00pm
petermac33 said..
I tried the Maui carbon booom 190-240 on a 7.6 with a clew of around 230cm.

The stiffness / solidness is without precedent. Not the slightest bend in the boom I could detect.

Can only imagine what it would feel like with a sail with a 190 clew.

If you are willing to trade off increased weight for amazing solidness then this might well be the boom for you.


I use my 190-240 with my 5.7 and 6.3 slalom sails with the clew at 190 and 192 respectively. Solid as the proverbial brick shxthouse, but there is a weight penalty. I'm currently in the market for a carbon 160 to 210 carbon boom to use with my wave sails and small slalom sails
andysails
andysails
SA
79 posts
SA, 79 posts
4 Jan 2016 7:58am
For small sails, I like the Chinook 160-226 Pro1 Carbon due to very light weight and wide design. For bigger sails, I like the Severne Enigma 180-230 Carbon. Both worth a look if you're in the market.
Knottedup
Knottedup
573 posts
573 posts
16 Jan 2016 12:50pm
Re Quote "Don't think boom weight really matters as much as we believe".

My comment is:
In a straight line maybe not that much.
In the waves it makes a HUGE difference.
Especially the weight of the tail piece.
pompier
pompier
34 posts
34 posts
20 Feb 2016 4:50am
by far the best boom in my quever is the al 360 carbon
y have x9 en maui sails en fiber spar carbon booms en the AL 360 is the overal best stiffest best grip lightest ovel tubes feel grait in hand




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