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fabulon31
fabulon31
VIC
74 posts
VIC, 74 posts
28 Nov 2012 11:58pm
This guy has beaten the world speed record by 15 knots!!!! Is that not like someone coming out and beating Usain Bolt over 100 meters by 30 meters???? Am I looking at this too simplistically or is this achievement that incredible???
DaGodfather
DaGodfather
SA
280 posts
SA, 280 posts
28 Nov 2012 11:41pm
Actually by 10 knots. Still incredible.
DaGodfather
DaGodfather
SA
280 posts
SA, 280 posts
29 Nov 2012 9:42am
and here is the video of this great run:



fabulon31
fabulon31
VIC
74 posts
VIC, 74 posts
29 Nov 2012 3:16pm
I'm really surprised that the papers aren't all over this. It really should be front page news but I can't see it reported anywhere.
There was an article in The Age a few days ago but that was just a cut and past from a US paper and wasn't about the latest run.
I guess the story wouldn't be negative so it doesn't rate.
mathew
mathew
QLD
2167 posts
QLD, 2167 posts
30 Nov 2012 10:24am
We can read that this thing was "designed for 65kn"... now that they are peaking at 68kn, all of this footage is showing where/how it can by tweaked...

In particular:
- there is *a lot* of spray coming off the pods + foil... a little draggy?
- the span+wing is flying a bit high.
- from the footage there looks to be some control issues... and we know that "control is good".

Some time ago I posted that I couldn't see how VSR1 would be a record contender (aka +50kn)... this thing is not just "an evolution" of that design, it is significantly different in too many ways. I wouldn't be surprised that VSR2+mods could achieve +70kn (actually probably would have to be a VSR3, as geometries change).


And further, I am really keen to read about the pitting seen on the foils. Cavitation bubbles get larger with increased speed... and 70kn (130kph) is starting to push well into that area.

At one point I hypothesized the shape for a super-cavitating foil. Since then there appears to have been a free'ing up of that knowledge. For example, we now understand how penguins can jump onto an ice-shelf:

www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/04/penguins-rocket-through-the-water-aboard-supercavitating-bubble-jets/

I am now thinking a shape based on something like this, might work for windsurfing:

www.amc.edu.au/news/research/cloud-cavitation-0
latedropeddy
latedropeddy
VIC
417 posts
VIC, 417 posts
30 Nov 2012 12:59pm
Does anyone know what is the % contributor to drag (hull, foils, aero) for a windsurfer at speed (50+?).
I'm sure Ian K has done some calcs before...

Also re: supercavitating foils - would they provide lift to oppose the sail or would they spin out?
Kimba
Kimba
SA
459 posts
SA, 459 posts
30 Nov 2012 2:21pm
mathew said...
We can read that this thing was "designed for 65kn"... now that they are peaking at 68kn, all of this footage is showing where/how it can by tweaked...

In particular:
- there is *a lot* of spray coming off the pods + foil... a little draggy?
- the span+wing is flying a bit high.
- from the footage there looks to be some control issues... and we know that "control is good".

Some time ago I posted that I couldn't see how VSR1 would be a record contender (aka +50kn)... this thing is not just "an evolution" of that design, it is significantly different in too many ways. I wouldn't be surprised that VSR2+mods could achieve +70kn (actually probably would have to be a VSR3, as geometries change).


And further, I am really keen to read about the pitting seen on the foils. Cavitation bubbles get larger with increased speed... and 70kn (130kph) is starting to push well into that area.

At one point I hypothesized the shape for a super-cavitating foil. Since then there appears to have been a free'ing up of that knowledge. For example, we now understand how penguins can jump onto an ice-shelf:

www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/04/penguins-rocket-through-the-water-aboard-supercavitating-bubble-jets/

I am now thinking a shape based on something like this, might work for windsurfing:

www.amc.edu.au/news/research/cloud-cavitation-0



Interesting reading Matt, I always wondered how the "boiling" could do so much damage...

"The damage is caused by microjets formed as the bubbles collapse when they reach regions of higher pressure. The violent collaspse of these small bubbles occurs in very short, nanosecond, timescales creating pressures of thousands of atmospheres, and temperatures of thousands of Kelvin."

So we(windsurfers) layup fins with fine airlines feeding pressurised gas to strategic points on the fin. A gas cannister or aerosol feeding the fin manifold is activated with a boom mounted "Nitro" button. - I'm on it
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
30 Nov 2012 1:57pm
^ Mad Tim doesn't have the same sort of ring to it that Mad Max does
stamp
stamp
QLD
2797 posts
QLD, 2797 posts
30 Nov 2012 2:14pm
slowboat said...

If you didnt know, Paul is from Perth, and also windsurfs...


paul is from healesville in victoria. i used to sail catamarans with him in vic. one of the nicest and most positive blokes i've ever met

AUS02
AUS02
TAS
2042 posts
TAS, 2042 posts
30 Nov 2012 9:50pm
Fantastic video. Far out that looked fast!!
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