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lelos12345
lelos12345
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18 Jan 2011 5:55pm
this is the extent of the cracks
Ive marked the were i think i should cut it out to and rebuild.. it does look like it has been done before, does this look about right ?




Ian K
Ian K
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18 Jan 2011 3:23pm
Which way does the crevasse behind that crack run Leo? If it runs vertically I wouldn't worry about it. The buried part of the foil is intact, it's just a fin box within a fin box.

If the crevasse goes horizontally I'm surprised it's not already broken. Especially if the crack was there when the fin was longer and had more leverage about the base.


keef
keef
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18 Jan 2011 6:46pm
lelos12345 said...

this is the extent of the cracks
Ive marked the were i think i should cut it out to and rebuild.. it does look like it

leo you have only marked out the base are you going to extend onto the fin


lelos12345
lelos12345
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18 Jan 2011 9:06pm
Gday mate !!
hope your well the cracks seem to be running into the box but i need to have a bit of a scrape back to be sure an safe.
the strange thing is that the crack are pretty much identical both sides !!
is this a common thing?


Ian K said...

Which way does the crevasse behind that crack run Leo? If it runs vertically I wouldn't worry about it. The buried part of the foil is intact, it's just a fin box within a fin box.

If the crevasse goes horizontally I'm surprised it's not already broken. Especially if the crack was there when the fin was longer and had more leverage about the base.





lelos12345
lelos12345
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18 Jan 2011 9:09pm
i wasnt going to if the cracks were going down mate do u think i should ?



keef said...

lelos12345 said...

this is the extent of the cracks
Ive marked the were i think i should cut it out to and rebuild.. it does look like it

leo you have only marked out the base are you going to extend onto the fin





keef
keef
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18 Jan 2011 11:01pm
doesn't look like the fin has cracked it's the base giving way, and it does look like it's an old repair, my guess is who ever did the last repair didn't clean the surface before before filling in, i'm with you just cut the base away till its solid
lelos12345
lelos12345
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18 Jan 2011 11:58pm
sweet i got something right !
keef said...

doesn't look like the fin has cracked it's the base giving way, and it does look like it's an old repair, my guess is who ever did the last repair didn't clean the surface before before filling in, i'm with you just cut the base away till its solid


decrepit
decrepit
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18 Jan 2011 9:15pm
If I was sure the fin bolt nuts are solidly in the fin, and if there's no movement between fin and base. I wouldn't worry about it, my only concern would be if it's loose and the nuts aren't securely in the fin, the fin could drop out.
lelos12345
lelos12345
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19 Jan 2011 3:30pm
bolts are all fine bit of play but still solid ..
thanks for your input leo

decrepit said...

If I was sure the fin bolt nuts are solidly in the fin, and if there's no movement between fin and base. I wouldn't worry about it, my only concern would be if it's loose and the nuts aren't securely in the fin, the fin could drop out.


Chris Ting
Chris Ting
NSW
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19 Jan 2011 3:33pm
That looks like just the base material cracking, not the foil itself. It's not uncommon to see this in many fins if you have a close look. There is a stress point where thin fin comes out of the base. Other fins that have the fillet removed, show this up as a slight de-lamination between the foil and base.

I would probably just leave it, at most sand out the fillet. If the cracks get bigger, the only real way to fix this properly would be to grind the old base off, and mold a new base on.
slowboat
slowboat
WA
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19 Jan 2011 5:55pm
No wonder you like the fin with the top cut off- its an old CNC northshore custom. They were pretty well machined from memory. The base profile should be pretty sweet. But the bases were pretty cheesy- they all cracked after a while.
lelos12345
lelos12345
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20 Jan 2011 11:34am
Hey Chris
yep i got it wen i bought the Sputnik a few years a go now.. it is a great fin
I think its a Lavell design
hope ya well mate hows the new boards?

slowboat said...

No wonder you like the fin with the top cut off- its an old CNC northshore custom. They were pretty well machined from memory. The base profile should be pretty sweet. But the bases were pretty cheesy- they all cracked after a while.


lelos12345
lelos12345
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22 Jan 2011 6:16pm
THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP I THINK I HAVE MANAGED IT ..
THE PROFILE IS MUCH TRUER THAN IT WAS NO CRACKS TOO ..
LETS HOPE FOR SOME WIND TOMORROW !!!
I PUT THIS TOGETHER TO SHOW WHAT I DID PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COMMENT IF I MADE ANY MISTAKES
KEEP U POSTED ON RESULTS 42 KN AT LEAST!! WATCH THIS SPACE !!
SPECIAL THANKS TO DES FOR ALL THE GEAR TO FIX

Mux
Mux
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Mux Mux
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22 Jan 2011 5:57pm
Leo the fin looks great hope you get the speed you are looking for, all this fin making is making me think about giving it a go. Just need the time.
lelos12345
lelos12345
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22 Jan 2011 7:08pm
HAVE AGO U NEED AN OLD FIN HACK SAW SAND PAPER AND A COUPLE OF HOURS ITS VERY REWARDING THATS WITHOUT SAILING IT.
TIS NICE IF IT WORKS TOO
AUS718 said...

Leo the fin looks great hope you get the speed you are looking for, all this fin making is making me think about giving it a go. Just need the time.


Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
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22 Jan 2011 7:13pm
Great work Leo, good to see that my repair kit finally got put to good use.

I've got fingers crossed for a good NE'r so we can pace that fin!

Edit: Just checked the forecast...Woohoo

Forecast for Sunday
Winds: North to northeasterly 10 to 15 knots becoming northeasterly 15 to 20 knots during the afternoon then increasing to 20 to 25 knots by early evening. Winds increasing to northeasterly 25 to 30 knots later in the evening.
lelos12345
lelos12345
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22 Jan 2011 7:23pm
SEE YA THERE

Waiting4wind said...

Great work Leo, good to see that my repair kit finally got put to good use.

I've got fingers crossed for a good NE'r so we can pace that fin!

Edit: Just checked the forecast...Woohoo

Forecast for Sunday
Winds: North to northeasterly 10 to 15 knots becoming northeasterly 15 to 20 knots during the afternoon then increasing to 20 to 25 knots by early evening. Winds increasing to northeasterly 25 to 30 knots later in the evening.



keef
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22 Jan 2011 7:58pm
lelos12345 said...




leo is the spray putty high build or a one coat putty primer did you try sanding it dry with a kitten scourer , i tend to think you would use a flat block on a flat surface, i found the 3M fine sanding pads the best you can use them dry and then finnish off with water and detergent, the pad or scourer will follow the shape or the foil rather than a flat block these pads arent 3M but simular
brad1
brad1
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22 Jan 2011 8:30pm
Can I ask why the spray putty then take it all back off? You're not changing the shape, it would only fill any pin holes in the laminate.
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
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22 Jan 2011 9:40pm
brad1 said...

Can I ask why the spray putty then take it all back off? You're not changing the shape, it would only fill any pin holes in the laminate.



The spray on putty is just a layer to see where the peaks, troughs and divets are in the surface.
keef
keef
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22 Jan 2011 10:11pm
Waiting4wind said...

brad1 said...

Can I ask why the spray putty then take it all back off? You're not changing the shape, it would only fill any pin holes in the laminate.



The spray on putty is just a layer to see where the peaks, troughs and divets are in the surface.


brad spray putty is a filler, high build you need to seal, one coat putty primer you don't need to seal, if you have a board that is over 12 months old give it a coat of spray putty,then using a long flat sanding block with about 600 wet and dry and see how flat the bottom of your board is, and how many scratches and dents that are there that you cant see by eye
also try one of your fins and see how many scratches are there, if you use a foam pad you wont sand any of the surface of the fin off
lelos12345
lelos12345
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23 Jan 2011 1:20am
ITS SPRAY PUTTY HIGH BUILD
I NEEDED TO CHANGE THE PROFILE A BIT JUST DOWN THE TRAILING EDGE
NOTHING ELSE IT SHOULD BE THE SAME BUT NO WHISTLE ... FINGERS CROSSED
THE PROFILE LOOKS MUCH BETTER THAN IT WAS NO FLAT SPOTS .. SHOULD FIND OUT TOMORROW HOPEFULLY !!
THANKS FOR YA HEP KEEF LOOK OUT FOR THE POST TOMOZ

keef said...

lelos12345 said...




leo is the spray putty high build or a one coat putty primer did you try sanding it dry with a kitten scourer , i tend to think you would use a flat block on a flat surface, i found the 3M fine sanding pads the best you can use them dry and then finnish off with water and detergent, the pad or scourer will follow the shape or the foil rather than a flat block these pads arent 3M but simular


lelos12345
lelos12345
NSW
453 posts
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24 Jan 2011 11:25am
had a sail yesterday but only got a few runs in... the first being the best at 33kn
the fin felt lighter and only a slight hum.. looking forward to doing a bit more to it this week and hope we get some wind for testing
thanks to all that commented and i hope it helps others to GIVE IT A GO !!
see ya on the water leo
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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24 Jan 2011 9:52pm
What's the trailing edge like? About .5mm flat (not rounded at all) is how I usually finish mine. Razor sharp is faster, but you (or somebody else) can pay a big price from unwanted contact, (just ask slowy).

I've read but haven't tried it, that if the rear edge is at a slight angle in stead of square, that will stop humming.
lelos12345
lelos12345
NSW
453 posts
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25 Jan 2011 11:07am
THE TRAILING EDGE IS MMMM SHARP SO U THINK JUST TO GO DOWN IT WITH SOME SAND PAPER AT A BIT OF AN ANGLE ?
I'M THINKING OF MAKING IT A THINNER TIP AS WELL "IN DIAMETER " IE THICKNESS
JUST FROM LOOKING AT ALL THE NEW FINS THERE ALL QUITE SHARP .
decrepit said...

What's the trailing edge like? About .5mm flat (not rounded at all) is how I usually finish mine. Razor sharp is faster, but you (or somebody else) can pay a big price from unwanted contact, (just ask slowy).

I've read but haven't tried it, that if the rear edge is at a slight angle in stead of square, that will stop humming.


decrepit
decrepit
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25 Jan 2011 9:57pm
a sharp trailing edge shouldn't hum unless the rear surfaces are coming together at a steep angle.
The flows from either side of the fin will cause turbulence when they recombine. It's better to have the last part of the rear surfaces as close to parallel as possible, that's why there is a hollow at the back of most good speed fins.

Check the rear of your fin with a straight edge, about the last third should be straight, a hollow at the rear is better.

I'd always recommend, not having a sharp edge, human flesh is just too soft.
Magnus8
Magnus8
QLD
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27 Jan 2011 4:42pm
Can you paint a fin with enamel paint?

Only doing it for some colour, or will affect the performance?
keef
keef
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27 Jan 2011 6:53pm
i cant see why not, just make sure its clean before painting,the only paint i wouldnt use is acylic appiance paint you cant sand it
Magnus8
Magnus8
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27 Jan 2011 8:09pm
keef said...

i cant see why not, just make sure its clean before painting,the only paint i wouldnt use is acylic appiance paint you cant sand it


Thanks man

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