chop hop stacks

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sboardcrazy
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11 Nov 2012 12:57pm
terminal said...
Of course if the wind is onshore and you have to carve hard upwind on the wave to get a steeper ramp for take-off for a jump, you would have to bear the board off at least as far as your origional course for landing, which is where you can see quite a lot of bearing-off midair.

Its a lot harder to do then because you have turned so much up into the wind that you have to be very exact with the sail to push the nose off the wind, but its a bit like recovering from spinout in midair.

If you are just adding a chop hop into a run, then you dont need much bearing off (depending on things like skill level to avoid pressuring the back foot on landing, fin size and if the board has pronounced vee).


I find the chop is often at an angle where I am working upwind and have to turn more upwind to try for a jump.I'm better on port tack than starboard so I just need to try more on each.I'm often hanging out close to the water if I'm really powered up so that doesn't make it easy to get organised to take off.
It seems like its not that often that I get lovely ramps at the right angle on a close reach.
Rus13b
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11 Nov 2012 2:37pm
Its also the spots we sail at. valentine has good ramps coming back in, i find it hard to get jumps on the way out. same with coaly on the way back in it has good jumps & more on the way out than valentine. canton had good ramps last time I sailed there in the S SSW once you got out a bit. best spot i seen was slips in a SE just line up one of the S chops, its like the beach sail straight up them no turning up wind.
sboardcrazy
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11 Nov 2012 4:07pm
Rus13b said...
Its also the spots we sail at. valentine has good ramps coming back in, i find it hard to get jumps on the way out. same with coaly on the way back in it has good jumps & more on the way out than valentine. canton had good ramps last time I sailed there in the S SSW once you got out a bit. best spot i seen was slips in a SE just line up one of the S chops, its like the beach sail straight up them no turning up wind.


Mmm maybe I should get on a smaller board and try the slip...I've definitely got to get those starboard jumps going as they seem to be the best where we are...Once in a while Valentine can be good going out if its been blowing Sw and turns more S.
I find Canton the easiest place to get jumps..I've actually done a few good ones! I do occasionally spin out on landing which is why I suppose I've got so focused on bearing away in the air.
Glad Im going to the chiro tomorrow as I have bad headache from the shoulder injury.Grr I can't get any work done!
terminal
terminal
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11 Nov 2012 5:15pm
Spinout on landing can also be caused by too much pressure on the back foot, and not just by the amount you turn the board downwind.

You can see in the video view from behind that he doesn't turn that far off the wind to land, but he didn't turn much upwind at all in the first place.

When you have to turn upwind for take-off, you want to land just a bit off-wind compared to your original course before you turned upwind.

I usually fly the sail and tuck my feet up for the board to be level at the top of the jump and am leaning out and forward.
You need to blow the nose off the wind, but not push the nose down at the same time. It takes finesse and 'flying' of the sail and is very tricky and marginal when you have turned a long way upwind.

Then I turn the power off a little to allow myself to stretch my legs for the tail first landing, but pull the power on again as I touch down and keep the pressure on my back foot to a minimum as I bend my back leg on landing to keep the pressure low.

Its all about landing tail first, but cushioning the landing as much as possible with the extra power to keep the pressure off the fin. Then you dont have to turn so far off-wind to land.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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14 Nov 2012 12:55pm
Sailed after a chiro vist and she said ' don't hurt yourself or try anything dodgy until your shoulder heals..'
20-25kts so I couldn't help it.. I did tail fist landings and jumped starboard tack at Coal which has much better ramps.At that angle I didn't need to pull the tail to windward to avoid spinout.
I went ok until I tried a nosefirst landing and stacked it.. I didn't hurt myself but I had to swim for the rig and had visions of being stuck out in the middle near the channel with no board.. I only just caught it..I'm a bit paranoid now about not being able to catchup with the board. I need to get to be a better swimmer.It was prob only 100 ' but I was so buggered I had to have a rest when I got it... One of the reasons why I haven't got back into the surf..
So thanks for the tips..I'll just try and pull the tail up rather than to windward now..
terminal
terminal
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14 Nov 2012 5:33pm
I dont like nose first landings from any height as they are very hard on the joints in the arms if you are trying to plane out of it.
Not so bad if its a low jump at speed but you need to know you're landing where you wont stuff the nose.

FormulaNova
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sboardcrazy
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21 Dec 2012 2:47pm


Booked into the freeride course..now just need wind!
h20
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21 Dec 2012 4:11pm
sboardcrazy said...

I'm catapulting on landing a bit lately.Whiplash landings and my shoulder is killing me.. I suspect its because I'm trying to pull the tail to windward in the air and over doing it so I land too far off the wind and the sail slams me..?? Does that sound right?


throw into it for a forward loop- take advantage of the catapult
sboardcrazy
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21 Dec 2012 4:47pm
There's still some spaces left for the Guy Cribb freeride course at Jervis bay. Contact Ann at windsurfnsnow if you're interested.
Zed
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23 Dec 2012 9:00am
Haven't read all the other replies, but you are jumping and bearing off downwind. Basically you are doing the lead up to a forward. To rectify this and avoid nasty stacks, point upwind. Do it too much at first to experiment if you like and you'll see it has the opposite effect - i.e the rig is stalled as you are pointing too far into the wind. As there is no power in the sail, if you do stack it, it won't be nasty. Then experiment by gradually turning further and further down wind until you find the right 'zone', if you know what I mean.
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