What if an Aussie windsurf mag existed

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curac
curac
WA
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WA, 1160 posts
29 Mar 2009 10:35am
If there was an Australian print windsurfing mag again would you buy it or does the web take care of all you windsurfing news needs
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
29 Mar 2009 1:50pm
I'd buy it. However the circulation would probably be too low generate advertising and sale revenue to make much of a profit. With the omnipresent www around us its doubtful anyone would put money and time into an Aussie windsurfing mag.

There is an Aussie windsurf eZine, Oz Windsurf.
OceanBlue64
OceanBlue64
VIC
980 posts
VIC, 980 posts
29 Mar 2009 2:02pm
I would buy it as I still prefer to read a hard copy rather than online.
dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
29 Mar 2009 2:59pm
I'd buy it, I always love to read Boards, Windsurf and WIndsurfing, but would much rather something closer to home, with less useless Brit and US references. Thats why OzWindSurf is mad.

Hard copies are great too, love to grab one and sit down. Re-read it a thousand times.
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
29 Mar 2009 2:52pm
You will almost guarantee that you will never see one.
The cost of printing is just TOO prohibitive and there aren't enough advertisers to sustain it.

One option, and maybe ozwindsurf could look into it, would be to provide the content of the website in a downloadable format, that you could then print on your colour printer at home.
snides8
snides8
WA
1731 posts
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29 Mar 2009 3:59pm
yeah id buy it...its much easier to balance a magazine on your knees than a pc when on the crapper.........
555
555
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555 555
892 posts
29 Mar 2009 4:07pm
We've got half a one over here (okay, maybe half is being generous) which is shared between windsurfers and kitesurfers. I've only ever bought a couple of issues as it seems to be mainly kite oriented. Still, there's usually a couple of pages of interesting stuff in there.

Maybe a joint effort could work on your side of the ditch too given that there is a larger number of potential readers.
izaak
izaak
TAS
2013 posts
TAS, 2013 posts
29 Mar 2009 8:17pm
i'd buy it
Rabs
Rabs
81 posts
81 posts
29 Mar 2009 6:37pm
Me to... Its funny how the UK has two monthly winsurf mags both of which are good... Bigger population I guess and windsurfing is more popular there... Didn't there use to be one called freesail over here?
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
29 Mar 2009 8:40pm
i'd buy it. sick of taking laptop to toilet
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
30 Mar 2009 2:15am
I wouldn't buy, no offense to anyone.

I find most the space in the UK and US version is product placement. Either board testing, which is product placement. Or holidays and resorts.

When I want that kind of info, I go direct to the actual site - free.
ka43
ka43
NSW
3101 posts
NSW, 3101 posts
30 Mar 2009 10:50am
There used to be quite a few back in the "day".
AB Sailboards, Freesail, Sail Wind Quarterly, Sailboarder (newspaper form) etc.

Have to agree here, dont think the reader population would sustain a properly put together and printed mag. Maybe soon when windsurfing has taken its rightful place as the number one water sport in OZ then it will happen
ejmack
ejmack
VIC
1308 posts
VIC, 1308 posts
30 Mar 2009 11:37am
I'd buy it, even subscribe, but it would have to be good. As good as Windsurf, Boards, etc. if not better. I have no problem with adverts as long as there's a good amount of informative articles included reglardless of if it's equipment reviews, travel (local or as close too as possible), etc. Technique, gear setup, etc. is what I find most usefull in the current windsurfing magazine available.... if we had a Aussie based magazine, with local stories and events of equal quality I'd certainly buy it. Bi monthly, quarterly, etc. wouldn't bother me, in fact, if it means better articles I think it'd be a good thing.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
30 Mar 2009 2:52pm
I agree with emjack. Of course I'd end up buying it anyway, but I would appreciate it if it was LOADED with useful articles on technique, gear, locations etc, and not just a lot of fancy pin-ups.

I gave up on the US Windsurfing mag coz the articles are just too short and shallow; you read them in 5 minutes and look at the pics and it's all over. The Brit Windsurf is awesome; those articles go on for pages and pages, full of useful nuggets...

Looking at my huge collection of exactly two 1980s Aussie mags, I notice the sheer hugeness of the local market back then. Lots of shops, manufacturers etc and oceans full of windsurfers. These mags obviously shut down for a reason. Could they survive nowadays? I don't know...
Ben Severne
Ben Severne
WA
194 posts
WA, 194 posts
30 Mar 2009 1:26pm
You thinking of starting one, Curac?
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
30 Mar 2009 2:02pm
it's funny how this topic seems to creep up once a year.

Firstly, how much are people prepared to pay for an Australian windsurfing mag?

$6, $10, $30, $50?

The big problem with a nice glossy mag is that quality reports and photos will cost money... as a rule of thumb the money earned from sales will basically cover printing costs assuming you sell enough magazines.

Any money earned from advertising sales goes towards paying people submitting reports and photos as well as wages for staff.

Personally I can't see how anyone could run a glossy Australian windsurf mag as a sustainable business.

I think the only way you could do this and possibly break even would be by having a monthly "mag" printed in cheap newspaper form. The publication is given away for free in surf/ windsurf/ local shops. This way the paper could be more tailored towards local stories and businesses. There used to be a newspaper style mag like that in the Gorge area. Not sure if it still exists but it had a good circulation back in the day... and from what I have heard the guys that ran it actually made a bit of coin from it.
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
30 Mar 2009 2:09pm
Would anybody actually be interested in a mag they could download and print for themselves?

Show of hands?
ejmack
ejmack
VIC
1308 posts
VIC, 1308 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:24pm
grumplestiltskin said...

Would anybody actually be interested in a mag they could download and print for themselves?

Show of hands?


Probably. Although I wouldn't print it off. PDF format would be best IMO.
lee1972
lee1972
QLD
921 posts
QLD, 921 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:16pm
Great subject, i was just chatting to my mate about the lack of a magazine here. I love boards and Windsurf magaine becuase they are full of usefull information. Both magaines cover skills for beginners to pros so theres abit in there for everyone. Windsurfing seems to be getting more and more popular so i think a publication should reflect this.
I think the most cost effective way of producing a magazine would be on a down load format.You could include pictorial technique, equipment, fitness, items for sale, tution, race meets. Im sure there would be no end of windsurfers keen to submit articles. I would pay for it for sure, i buy just about any publication as it is anyway.
AUS-057
AUS-057
QLD
466 posts
QLD, 466 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:28pm
I'd definitely subscribe to an aussie mag. I tend to buy any windsurfing mag I see in the newsagents. Boards, or Windsurf UK or Windsurfing (US) or Wind n Kite (NZ)

AUS-057
AUS-057
QLD
466 posts
QLD, 466 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:31pm
I think the subscription printed model (glossy newspaper like the CBD weeklys they hand out at the train stations) would be the only economic way to do the distribution. You would have too much waste if you were to print enough magazines to put it on every newsagents shelves.


nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
441 posts
NSW, 441 posts
30 Mar 2009 6:42pm
Wet Willy said...

Looking at my huge collection of exactly two 1980s Aussie mags, I notice the sheer hugeness of the local market back then. Lots of shops, manufacturers etc and oceans full of windsurfers. These mags obviously shut down for a reason. Could they survive nowadays? I don't know...


I've only recently been in the process to become a born again windsurfer, when I find the right priced used gear that is.

I come from the heady early '80s windsurfing era and experienced first hand the sport blossoming in good ways and bad. It was a fantastic time, lots of new inventions (equipment and tricks) to try out. There was lots to read about and plenty of people of like mind to share those experiences with. Car parks at beaches, lakes and large enough waterways were always full of people on any windy day. It was a fantastic, if not crowded, sight I now can recall.

The mentioned publications by ka43 covered many areas of the sport and in different formats reflecting cover prices and targeted audiences. However, it became too much for the industry to support even in its hey-day and the publishers were forced to shut their doors as they could not survive on just magazine sales. It was a pity the large publishers decided a windsurfing mag was a good title to make money on and put one out. The result was the independent hard-core publishers with their heart in it and no money suffered the most as advertisers were drawn to the large and impressive corporate ones. But that's business, the strong survive.

The 'net nowadays can put news on screens much faster and cheaper than putting them into print however the downside of the net is you have to know where to look for info or have to spend hours scouring websites to keep updated. A magazine is so much more convenient to read.

It would be a huge task to put something like this together not to mention various resources required if you went to print. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see something too but who has the finances to support such a thing, now is definately not the economic time. But I've been proven wrong many times so what do I know. I've been told that when the economy is down that is the time to start something new with the idea that when the economy returns you will already be up and running. Waiting and staying afloat financially in the meantime is the difficult part.

If a magazine will exist in Oz it should be treated as a vehicle to point people to websites for more information but not use it as an excuse for little content which is what previous Oz publications ended up doing. Magazines are highly portable and can carry lots of pics which most people like without having to wait for download time. They can carry new product reviews to save the reader trolling the 'net and point the reader at the manufacturers website for specific information. However, serendipity is always a good thing when you troll.

Websites can update easily, quickly and cheaply and there is no reason the two media should compete, they should be able to compliment each other. It can be done, unfortunately print is more expensive and that's what can kill the concept.

I predict windsurfing in Oz will make a comeback but not to the numbers of the '80s. Why am I so confident? Look around and there is evidence. Surfing has found a resurgence particulalry with longboards. The "poor-man's transport" of motorcycles has made a huge comeback too. Even the mobile house blocks have made a resurgence. If they can so can windsurfing, afterall those 'interests' peaked within a decade or lessfrom each other. If my prediction is correct I reckon windsurfing will rise from the ashes within 5-10 years in this country.

Then again, what do I know, I've been out of the sport for 17 years and contributed nothing to it in that time so I'm as much to blame as the next person. I hope I can change that one day soon.
divaldo
divaldo
SA
2878 posts
SA, 2878 posts
30 Mar 2009 6:19pm
Hmmmmmm, very interesting......I am interested

I work in this industry, newspapers and magazines, and have previously worked in sales in printing (offset)

This will be a very big undertaking to do it right, very expensive and time consuming, but could be heaps of fun!

It would be great though, but how many copies do you really think would be sold nationally? 500? 1000?

To print 1000, 48 page magazines on a simple heavy gloss stock, would cost approx $5000, would probably have to print digital based on numbers, so theres $5 a unit straight up!

editorial, sheez, where do you start? Submissions from Sailboarders, SUP, Kiters? Self editing? Then selling advertising? Thats where i could help I guess, as its what I do.

Curac, were you thinking about producing?

baby steps peoples!

Laurie, Seabreeze in print?
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
30 Mar 2009 4:24pm
Divaldo's on the mark, I work in the newspaper industry as well, (probably sister companies)
the economics of printing a small run mag like this are just tooo enormous. You might last two editions but money would run out very quickly.

As a starting point, ask Laurie and the guys from Ozwindsurf how many people supply unsolicited articles or copy (my bet would be that the numbers would fit on one hand)

We all love to read them, but not many are willing to put in the effort to produce it.
Old Salty
Old Salty
VIC
1271 posts
VIC, 1271 posts
30 Mar 2009 7:49pm
IMHO Definitely an electronic version as not so xy to produce and you can get heaps of colour pics.
I would subscribe to printed version or electronic
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:15pm
Even if you make it a digital only mag, don't underestimate the amount of time required to put something together that doesn't just look like a Word document with random articles and photos.

As far as my experience goes you won't be able to get any quality photos or stories unless you pay cold hard cash... in the case of the European Mags a multipage article can cost several thousand dollars.

... I would be inclined to say that the guys behind ozwindsurf.com.au looked at the subscription model as well but decided to do a web site instead.
divaldo
divaldo
SA
2878 posts
SA, 2878 posts
30 Mar 2009 7:52pm
It would be nice though eh?

I work for Rupert
ka43
ka43
NSW
3101 posts
NSW, 3101 posts
30 Mar 2009 8:24pm
I was offered the rights and name to Sail Wind Quarterly quite a long time ago.
I was interested until we went through the costs associated and the actual basics needed to get something on the newstands physically
I worked for a major newspaper for over 11 years and it seemed harder than printing thousands of SMH.
Id love to do it but Im afraid its just financially impossible.
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:26pm
divaldo said...

It would be nice though eh?

I work for Rupert


indeed would be nice...

speaking of Rupert, last I checked the only profit center in the publishing business for New Corp is the Wall Street Journal and Murdoch Books. Every other print asset in the New Corp portfolio is struggling to make ends meet.
divaldo
divaldo
SA
2878 posts
SA, 2878 posts
30 Mar 2009 8:01pm
stehsegler said...

divaldo said...

It would be nice though eh?

I work for Rupert


indeed would be nice...

speaking of Rupert, last I checked the only profit center in the publishing business for New Corp is the Wall Street Journal and Murdoch Books. Every other print asset in the New Corp portfolio is struggling to make ends meet.


We do alright in Adelaide......

grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
30 Mar 2009 5:35pm
Yep, some divisions of News are doing OK, suburbans for example. (although not as well as say 12 months ago )

Divaldo, you at Messenger or the Advertiser?

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