What actually is a Bump and Jump board/sail?

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Mark _australia
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22 Nov 2010 8:33pm
racerX said...

To me bump and jump is general open water sailing where there is enough wind to get airborne easily.


Even better when there is enough wind to make it hard not to get airborne and don't we just love those days
Gestalt
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22 Nov 2010 10:46pm
i'm going to go out on a limb and include mushy surf whether it's backside or frontside as bump and jump.

wave sailing to me is when the the waves are clearly peeling and can handle more than a couple of bottom turns. i also includes jumps in wavesailing.

and the sailor heading out has right of way...
nosinkanow
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23 Nov 2010 12:30am
Trousers, here's Naish's longboard loop which looks like a custom Mistral Race board at 2:49 http://www.stableroad.com/videos/heartandsoulmoves.htm what a sight!

Sounds like B&J is just jumping like in the '80s with an addition of more aerials. Flatwater, ocean or waves it didn't matter, if it swelled jump it! It seems in modern sailing the repertoire has broadened with more moves thrown in.

But I'm still impressed with seeing big air and/or distance and if one lands one still planing it looks way too cool! I think this Phil McGain old video still has cred, who needs modern gear to go fast and get air!
www.stableroad.com/videos/angleofattackbigair.htm
Gestalt
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22 Nov 2010 11:42pm
nice,

but to me that's not bump and jump sailing.

that's speed sailing. "in the ocean"
Mark _australia
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22 Nov 2010 9:42pm
Nosinka, the page does not show me a vid?
Shame as I haven't seen those old vids for about 20yrs

nosinkanow
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23 Nov 2010 1:07am
Mark, dunno why you can't see it (shrugs). The whole collection is here;
www.facebook.com/stableroad
See 7 for Phil McGain
43 for the longboard loop
+ heaps and heaps of others.

And here's more big air old school style with Mr. Naish on a slalom board...check out his air time!



I left the sport from around when these vids were taken, funnily all the gear still looks normal to me and all the current gear looks weird.

Aaaahhh, the "golden days", it was so much fun. Now just got to catch up and stop hurting myself.
nosinkanow
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23 Nov 2010 1:57am
Gestalt said...

nice,
but to me that's not bump and jump sailing.
that's speed sailing. "in the ocean"


See I'm still confused, but I'd call it ocean blasting and jumping, part of the repertoire of a B&J sailor of today perhaps?...yeah they've got slalom sails and boards but I'm not picky.

I still have the custom 8'10" Watercooled wave slalom (made around '87-'88?) from back then and used Gastra Wave Foil Pro sails and this is the type of blasting I did on the ocean, but the gear I had was used for everything from unimpressive wave riding to OK wave jumping, no loops or tricks (maybe the odd mule kick and more rare table top) I just went for the biggest air I could get and if really high I'd try to see how long I could stay up there and then plummet into a screaming heap. I also used the same gear on flatwater and jumped it at every opportunity. All good fun. I reckon added up that would all be B&J?

Now this is what I'd call "ocean speedsailing" with a few jumps thrown in featuring Laird Hamilton, he's been blessed with balls of steel.
http://www.stableroad.com/videos/rigmarolespeed.htm
P.C_simpson
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22 Nov 2010 11:01pm
I used to be a big fan of Bump N Jump gear many years ago, and the term has re-surfaced a few time over the years..

Basicaly what it is goes like this..

As far as boards they were about 85 to 95 litre so you could jump them with control and land without breaking your legs because of to much volume under you, As far as shape they had a slalom based rocker, useally flat to V in the tail (most slalom boards of the time where mostly flat right through) the BJ boards had softer rails for more control in the choppy stuff, usually about 55 to 58 wide and a bit of width in the tail to make them jump well in flat water off chop, length was what ever most old style boards where running, a prime example of a BJ board was the Fanatic Bee 94, the red ones..these things where jumping machines, Fanatic also made other BJ boards in about 96 they where the Hawk but they called them a freecarve.

As far as sails there has been one that has been made 100% for this task for many years the Sailworks Hucker, built to get huge air and be stable while your up there, last year Severne released the Mojo to be a pure BJ sail.. what they are is camless sails running about 6 battens, the foil runs most of the way up the sail where as 99% of every other sail only has most of it's foil at the bottom, this foil shape acts like a wing and once you are in the air the just glide for ages.. really are a hell of alot of fun the jump, have used both... both sails are super powerful for there size..

As far as what Bump n Jump is, basically it's guys that blast around flat water spots looking for anything they can get air off and stay up there as long as possible and bust out some cool gybes at either end of there runs.. not really interested in going as fast as possible unless it means more air time..

Its a lost part of windsurfing pushed out by freeride gear, there isn't a company that makes proper BJ boards at the moment which is a shame as it is a S**T load of fun when the chop starts to jack up, or something like the Rotto Ferry cruzes past..
Mark _australia
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22 Nov 2010 11:12pm
P.C_simpson said...

there isn't a company that makes proper BJ boards at the moment which is a shame as it is a S**T load of fun when the chop starts to jack up, or something like the Rotto Ferry cruzes past..


I dunno......... I am a big fan of the RRD FSW's and they do so well in the reviews, and mine is hell fast for something that turns pretty good. BUT
The JP FSW's are supposed to be faster and even more "freeridey" according to the magazine reviews, so even though I have not ridden one I reckon the JP FSW would be pretty damn close to a dedicated B&J board.

P.C_simpson
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22 Nov 2010 11:16pm
yer but it's a FREESTYLE WAVE board.. try doing a flakka or wave ride a Fanatic Bee or Hawk... completely different... and no i don't ride Fanatics they where just good boards and BJ's...
nosinkanow
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23 Nov 2010 4:28pm
P.C_simpson said...


Basicaly what it is goes like this..
(snip)
As far as what Bump n Jump is, basically it's guys that blast around flat water spots looking for anything they can get air off and stay up there as long as possible and bust out some cool gybes at either end of there runs.. not really interested in going as fast as possible unless it means more air time..


It's what I suspected at first, flatwater (eg. protected waters like bays and lakes) jumping but confused by the current googled images I looked at which included waves.


Its a lost part of windsurfing pushed out by freeride gear, there isn't a company that makes proper BJ boards at the moment which is a shame as it is a S**T load of fun when the chop starts to jack up, or something like the Rotto Ferry cruzes past..


So is it safe to say that B&J is a "style" of windsurfing people do but now no longer dependent on specifically designed equipment? And the best types of boards are the ones that can accelerate fast, jump and can turn well? And for sails a freeride is adequate? The Hucker and Mojo sounds like great sails.
sboardcrazy
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23 Nov 2010 4:32pm
nosinkanow said...

Mark, dunno why you can't see it (shrugs). The whole collection is here;
www.facebook.com/stableroad
See 7 for Phil McGain
43 for the longboard loop
+ heaps and heaps of others.

And here's more big air old school style with Mr. Naish on a slalom board...check out his air time!



I left the sport from around when these vids were taken, funnily all the gear still looks normal to me and all the current gear looks weird.

Aaaahhh, the "golden days", it was so much fun. Now just got to catch up and stop hurting myself.


Wow! radical wind etc..Makes me want to go out the back at Nobby's just to get some jumps! (not in that much wind though...)
Gestalt
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23 Nov 2010 4:35pm
i think you guys are confusing "Freeride" with "Bump&Jump"

the bee and the hawk were "freeride" boards like the carve is a "freeride" board.

i'd agree with markaus that FSW is bump and jump. in qld their are a lot of bump and jump sailors. the majoriy are using FSW board for good wind and Freestyle boards for lighter winds the rest are using real world wave boards.
vosadrian
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23 Nov 2010 6:07pm
My main board is a JP FSW 92. When I bought it I was looking for a B&J board suitable for 15-30 knots. I do not do freestyle or wave sailing myself. I just like blasting about fast and easy jumping from chop. I consider the FSW to be more of a B&J board myself, but maybe that is because I am not into freestyle of waves.

Whatever the board is meant to be, it suits my purpose perfectly. Very lively under foot and releases easy for great jumping. Sometimes bay chop can have you heading into tightly spaced chop head on, and the livliness can be a bit grating in these conditions!! Easy to gybe tight or open gybes and in chop. Very fast for racing when I need it (> 30 knots in tough chop with freeride sail). Gets going with my 6.2 in about 12-15knots (but a struggle upwind), but is in its element in 20-25 with a 5.0. Perfect board for open bay sailing which to me is what B&J is about.

IMHO, the FSW boards are the best match to B&J.
Al Planet
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24 Nov 2010 11:03am
Gestalt said...

i'm going to go out on a limb and include mushy surf whether it's backside or frontside as bump and jump.

wave sailing to me is when the the waves are clearly peeling and can handle more than a couple of bottom turns. i also includes jumps in wavesailing.



By this standard they shouldn't declare a PWA wavesailing champion this year...no sailing at Cabo .....all the other spots are bump and jump.....Who is going to tell Victor that he is Bump and Jump world champ...he will be stoked...
Gestalt
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24 Nov 2010 10:42am
yep, well that's a hotly debated point that the wavesailing fraternity has been pointing to for a long time now.

pozo is a classic example. it's got waves so i'd err on the wave side of things but when you watch vids what do you see..... bump and jump.
echunda
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25 Nov 2010 2:02pm
KenHo said...

"sailing back and forth with a few little jumps", patronising to me







I can sail forth, but not back
crustysailor
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25 Nov 2010 2:27pm
if you took a fat 160 Lt JP funster beginners board, 6m rig, your choice of wind, small bay chop and someone with sufficient skill (not me), could you expect to be able to get it to jump even just a little?

no loops, just skip across?
adamhatfield
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25 Nov 2010 2:38pm
crustysailor said...

if you took a fat 160 Lt JP funster beginners board, 6m rig, your choice of wind, small bay chop and someone with sufficient skill (not me), could you expect to be able to get it to jump even just a little?

no loops, just skip across?


Definitely, I used to chop hop my bic nova which was 180l and also my old (very) Vinta 320 which weighed about 20Kg.

Not as easy as modern smaller lighter boards, but definitely possible
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