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Haircut
Haircut
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28 Feb 2006 11:26pm
i fixed it Mr Pedantic
Gestalt
Gestalt
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28 Feb 2006 11:28pm
omg, check out the graph. glad i didn't sell the 4.2 might get to use it after all.

well it's thursday for me. any tips on how to get the board pointing downwind with a upwind jump...? just a case of more height needed?

cheers haircut.
Haircut
Haircut
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28 Feb 2006 11:34pm
form what i've found, throwing the shoulders/back into position before anything else seems to help pull the rest of the gear into position. u need to prepare yourself for this prior to jumping. I find i can point about 20 - 30 degrees upwind and still pull them now. Everything just needs to be alot more exaggerated, but the potential for mast breakage or plain old catapult is greater,especially coz u end up spinning a bit more vertically unless u reach further back down the boom. They probably look better if u manage to pull them off though! Have u seen any clips of Ricardo Campello or Kauli Seadi pulling them off dead flat water as the point slightly up wind? It looks great!
Gestalt
Gestalt
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28 Feb 2006 11:43pm
unfortunately i haven't seen the clips...

but clips i have seen of upwind jumps seem to have a really exagerated take off. almost like they are goin to do a slider type freestyle trick.
Haircut
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28 Feb 2006 11:55pm
i think generally the more wind u have and height u get, the more chance you have of pulling anything off, regardless of takeoff angle. But i think realistically for learning them at goldcoast, u are most likely to learn them off small chop, and probably the 1/2 metere waves that the 20ft cruiser boats create because u can hit them straight on. If u download some mpegs of the pros doing wymaroos, they are the next closest thing to forward loops only very horizontal, and might help reveal a few secrets. however, it honestly doesn't get much more complex than in my original post
waveslave
waveslave
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28 Feb 2006 10:24pm
quote:
Originally posted by Haircut

i think those that tell u to simply jump and sheet in are deliberately trying to scare people away from learning them as doing that does hurt

- practice jumping UNHOOKED with front hand next to front harness line, and back hand 70 - 90 cm further back down the boom. Use this hand position for looping and initiate the jump with the hands already in this position, even when u go to do the loop. Generally the bigger the sail, the further back the back hand will need to be. For me with a 5.5m sail, about 70 cm or so does the trick

- lets say we are going to loop with our left arm/foot forward - jump with the intention of rotating the nose of the board down wind slightly and pointing towards the water once airbourne. You do this by pulling towards your right shoulder with the back hand, and forward+away from your body slightly with the front hand

- at the same time turn your back/shoulders towards the direction you were heading, and tilt your head down and slightly to the tail of the board. If you're like me, u either end up looking through the gap between the bottom of the sail and the board, or straight through the sail as you start to spin. As u have probably realised by now, u rotate so fast, most of it is a blur

- at the same time, lift both your feet up towards your bum, and keep pulling up further and further right throughout the spin till the board hits the water. Should your back hit the water first, don't stop pulling your feet up and don't stop sheeting in - by still pulling everthing in towards your body you can complete a full rotation and end up waterstarting away with feet in straps, even if u are at a really low altitude and your back touches the water first. This is something that I realised after about 4 sessions of constant practice.

hot tips!

1. make sure your feet are well in the straps, not just your toes! - i wear booties so my feet virtually get stuck in there and rarely come out. The faster u spin, the more likely the board will come off your feet

2. the further back you put your back hand, the more horizontal u will spin, so u need to do this for really low flat water loops

3. If u jump higher, the hands don't need to be so far apart, but u still got to sheet in just the same, and pull the feet up just the same, and you therefore spin more vertically. If u jump really high, u can ease off on the sheeting in a little and slow the spin down

4. there is no need to close your eyes

5. while learning them u don't want too much speed, just enough to stand upright over the centre of the board while u jump. Later u realise speed is your friend. My best ones are when i'm slightly overpowered and going full stick. The scaryness wears off quickly and u start trying them at higher and higher speeds. If it helps, just remember that most of the guys that do them on flattish water are virtually going as fast as your average slalom speed freak, and still doing a loop! Speed sailing doesn't seem so cool when you look at it that way hey

6.a. u don't need big waves (but any wave coming straight on at u definately helps! ie side shore type waves) 20-30 cm chop is enough!

6.b. while learning, don't point any higher than a reach. Find a wave slightly down wind if possible(they don't exist here on goldcoast). The further upwind you point, the more you need to point the board downwind once you r airborne bofore spinning, and u will probably rotate more virtically, resulting in a high altitude catapult

7. DON"T LET GO under any circumstance! If u hang on even if you think everything has turned to sh!t and the board has come off your feet, you will still land under the sail and won't damage anything. If you find the boom gets ripped out of your hands, chances are you will land well away from your gear.

8. from what i've worked out, sheeting the arms/sail before or at the same time as pulling feet up is the key to flattish water loops. The other way around and you tend to lose altitude before u start to rotate. The higher u jump or bigger the wave, the less important the order is

I really think that once u have got the hang of them, u can do them on any board - slalom or otherwise. I am doing them on a 237cm x 62cm 97 litre board with a 30cm freeride fin, and i weigh about 70kg, usually 65kg. The biggest sail ive used while doing them is 5.8m, but i usually use a 5.6. U definately don't need a wave board or a wave fin!

they really are a piece of piss to do once you get past the initial scare. After a while you don't even have to think, and u end up want to them as often as u can. Can u gybe? If u can, loops are technically heaps easier

cheers










Another tip on forwards.....
If you mistakenly over-rotate and head into an unintentional double,
let go of the boom with your back hand mid-air just prior to 1.5 revs,
flick your head back (with panache),
and bend your knees on impact (butt-check if you need to).

Controlled crashes can still be styley.
greenleader
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1 Mar 2006 1:50am
sooo' your own mind hasn't cancelled it yet, 'slavey boy.
garynoel
garynoel
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1 Mar 2006 10:52am
Fantastic info Haircut, Thanks,

I've managed to get around once, the board didnt make it with me though.
I'm just going to have to get used to jumping unhooked as that feels odd at the moment.
But thanks for taking the time to write it out.
This stuff should go in some special place on the forum

Gary
king of the point
king of the point
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1 Mar 2006 11:06am
You need to build up to forwards.
1 long floaters knees tucked up no harness
2 nose first landings {ones where you go straight up on a vert ramp stall at the top and drop the noise in vert.
These moves 2 build confiedance to tilt your board down wind and commite ......

Then your ready otherwise your going to get HURT

king of the point
king of the point
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1 Mar 2006 11:11am
OH YER KITE MERE TEA BAGGING OCEAN GOING PUPETS ARE GAY.
Keep out of the surf and my way.
garynoel
garynoel
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1 Mar 2006 2:25pm

King,

I am both shocked and pleased at your last comments about Kitesurfing.
The HURT in large letters in your previous thread doesnt put me off though because if you jumble the letters around they spell RUTH which is what most kitesurfers secretly call themselves when they dress up in their mums clothes at home.
And wearing ur underpants on the outside of ur wetsuit? Only superman did that and I'm sure he was a bit of a batty boy.
waveslave
waveslave
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1 Mar 2006 4:07pm
quote:
Originally posted by king of the point

OH YER KITE MERE TEA BAGGING OCEAN GOING PUPETS ARE GAY.
Keep out of the surf and my way.



Dear King,
That windsurf sail is blocking your perspective, man.
That in-your-face rig should be out-of-sight and out-of-mind.
Remove it,
and your outlook is now clear.
You'll see the waves thru surfers eyes when you are sailing,
and your mind will feel a freedom.

Peace and Happiness,
waveslave.
RayQ
RayQ
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5 Mar 2006 11:53am
Credit to Haircut for great info, might even use it if I was still windsurfing.
Flatwater, dont wast your time trying to rotate all that winsufing crap around in the air,
Get a kite , get over it, get multiple rotations instead of multiple frustrations and hurt, big waves,(Lano or Gero min) yeah ok go windsurfing,
I would rather be kiting ,even if I had to wear suspenders call me stoopid, Im still smilling, windsurfing is just such a wast of time on flat water, and thats the undeniable truth.
Northboy
Northboy
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5 Mar 2006 8:28pm
RayQ. ??? What does the Q stand for?
Queen?
Queer?
Qiter?
I was going to say i was curious. But the whole thread is gay. And curious is he wrong word to use.
RayQ
RayQ
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6 Mar 2006 12:27pm
ooooaaahh!
that realy hurt me Northboy, didnt know its bad, to be found in the Q section of the phone book .
Ill go easy on you though
Northboy
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6 Mar 2006 12:58pm
Yeah. Qiter is probably not something you would like to admit. Sorry about that.
RayQ
RayQ
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6 Mar 2006 2:30pm
Its actualy spelt QUITTER if thats what you mean, Im not big on spelling myself, but you must be about 16 or you dont wear a helmet and have been hit in the head too many times by your mast.
sorry about that

Ray

Northboy
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6 Mar 2006 4:03pm
Definately dropped on my head too many times. A bleedin Noggin is a regular event for the Northboy. But i seem happy. Actually Qiter was supposed to be a play on Kiter.
Haircut
Haircut
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6 Mar 2006 6:23pm
quote:
Originally posted by king of the point

You need to build up to forwards.
1 long floaters knees tucked up no harness
2 nose first landings {ones where you go straight up on a vert ramp stall at the top and drop the noise in vert.
These moves 2 build confiedance to tilt your board down wind and commite ......

Then your ready otherwise your going to get HURT




I have no doubt the above works for some folk but I really don't think most sailors need to build up to loops that way .

I still get scared to land a nose first jump, and catapults are still just as scary. (though thanks to Kirk for duck taping some padding to my back during the early stages, while at wellington point) I personally found practicing on the beach just with the sail helped alot (judo roll with sail), and so did doing tight gybes and halfway through the turn doing the sail action with hands in loop position. This whips you out of the straps and spins you around just like the loop only more horizontally, but it is the same sensation as the loop (you only need to be planing slowly when trying this). After you do a few of these you will gain confidence pretty quickly, and once again u must hang onto the boom all the way through and you can even pull the feet up to bum as practice.

One thing i forgot to mention in my first post is that during your actual loop attempts, you have to have jumped just high enough that your fin completely clears the water. If you don't, the board will stick to the surface of the water and refuse to travel with you, however you will still go around with the sail.

i would like to kitesurf too coz it seems to suit the gentle goldcoast conditions better, but as anal as it sounds i personally think that one hasn't really windsurfed till they have learnt to do a forward loop and tried some of the newer tricks. Once u nail some of the tricks, it opens up a whole new range of fun and challenges that aren't there with just 'meat and potatoes' windsurfing, and your missing the best bits if you leave windsurfing before learning these things, plus they are within reach of everyone if they are prepared to keep trying them. Even though (from what i'm told by ex windsurfers who have taken up kiting) they will probably require alot more perseverance than most of the kitesurfing tricks, this is the thing that makes windsurfing - windsurfing
king of the point
king of the point
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8 Mar 2006 3:49pm
Yer yer yer all of the above .The point is if you are scared doing the basics you need to build your confidence.
I seen it all ,crew talken up the courage to commit and do it but havent built up ther strenght reflexes and skills RESULTS YOU GET HURT
you see it all the time on the west coast euros sail for 1 hour when the hole weeks going to be windy, what they do a forward attempt before they have even got of the plane.
IF y ARE LEARNING THERE ARE DAYS WHEN THEY SHOULDNT BE DONE OR I SHOUKD SAY YOU INCREASE THE RISK OF GETTUNG HURT
GET ON TOP OF THE CONDITIONS YOU ARE SAILING FEEL LIGHT POWERED THEN MAKE IT HAPPEN THINK ABOUT NOTHING LOCK IN WITH YOUR FEET.
.00000000000003 OF A SECOND OF FEAR IS OVER
Piece of piss from then on
Haircut
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8 Mar 2006 9:21pm
how high are you talking about jumping when u say u get hurt? If someone is going to make their first attempt off a 10 foot wave then fair enough. If their learning them on flattish water with 30cm chop, moderate winds, and so long as they keep hanging onto the boom all the way through, they can't get hurt? Anyone can do it if they really want to do it, and you certainly don't need to build strength etc. If you can chop hop, you have enough strength to loop it is 70% fear, 30% technique
MORUYA HEADS
MORUYA HEADS
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8 Mar 2006 11:03pm
Yeah sopose you like footy ha ???? now thats a homosexual sport if i have ever seen one ! Radio Control Modelling ..Like to see you fly a choper ! GET OFF YOUR GAY SITES ! HA WIND SPORTS OF ANY FOR ALL!.
quote:
Originally posted by garynoel

Yep. I know.

Apparantly it was shortlisted from the following sports..

Embroidery
Knitting
Radio Control Modelling
Train Spotting
Hairdressing



garynoel
garynoel
WA
260 posts
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9 Mar 2006 4:17pm
hello "More Head"

I can't stand footy.
But I bet you like it Batty Boy.
Mind you if I kite surfed I'd probably take a TV on the water with me just to ease the BOREDOM.

Kitesurfing's gonna get banned soon anyway. Haven't you heard?

PS, flying a model helicopter is easy, did in i five minutes (almost as quick as it takes to learn all aspects of kite surfing)
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