Anyone use a Jp nose protector if so any good?

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sboardcrazy
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11 Jan 2010 10:45am
Im thinking of getting a Jp nose protector.I dont catapult very often but figure it only takes one to stuff up my board. Anyone use them & do they work? Someone in a topic said they just hide the damage..?
Scully
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11 Jan 2010 7:54am
Scully said...

Resurrected.

Are there any Windsurfing Accesseries that prevent you damaging your board from catapaults?
I remember reading something about boom bras, not quite sure what they are or what there purpose are, do these prevent damages?

Cheers




Squid Lips said...

I would say it is debatable. If you are hitting the board hard enough to do damage, 1/2" of padding won't save it. Another product is Jez's knob, which goes in the mast track and deflects the mast away so it can't hit the front of the board, but some say it can damage your board around the mast track due to leverage. It could get in the way during tacks too. then there are nose protectors. I would never use one personally as they would hide any damage that has occured underneath. Rather than protecting your board from catapults it's better to learn how to catapult safely (or stop catapulting ). Sheet in and hold on and you will spin around past the nose and land on your back on the water most of the time.


EDIT; But i think Jp nose protectors arnt made to absorb the impact, but to share the impact throughtout the entire nose?
sboardcrazy
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11 Jan 2010 11:06am
Thats the topic I was talking about..I read about the Jez's knob or similar & the review said it could damage the mast track ( or at least earlier ones ) + they only deflect it from the nose so it stills hits the rail.I know you can make protectors from the cylinders of swimming pool foam but you glue them on & im not sure if you could clean the glue off if you removed it .Also this is the first time Ive ever had a lovely spick & span new board & I want to revel in the look!
mgorman
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11 Jan 2010 11:25am
I'm a big fan of JP nose protectors (after I split the nose of my 1 day old X-cite ride ). They take a lot of punishment by spreading the load with adding too much weight. This is helped by the fact that the are fitted by a layer of silicone filler which acts as a shock adsorber. If you have a major wipe out then you can always remove the nose protector and see if you have cracked the nose, the damage will be very minor compared to not have one fitted. All the JP boards at hire places such as Dahab in Egypt use them and not the gey sponge pads ( which I think look pants ).
I found Jez's knob didn't protect the nose at all as its not long enough to stop the mast hitting the nose. Also Jez's knob get in the way if your in the water and you want to move the board around to waterstart.
mineral1
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11 Jan 2010 10:16am
mgorman said...

I'm a big fan of JP nose protectors (after I split the nose of my 1 day old X-cite ride ). They take a lot of punishment by spreading the load with adding too much weight. This is helped by the fact that the are fitted by a layer of silicone filler which acts as a shock adsorber. If you have a major wipe out then you can always remove the nose protector and see if you have cracked the nose, the damage will be very minor compared to not have one fitted. All the JP boards at hire places such as Dahab in Egypt use them and not the gey sponge pads ( which I think look pants ).
I found Jez's knob didn't protect the nose at all as its not long enough to stop the mast hitting the nose. Also Jez's knob get in the way if your in the water and you want to move the board around to waterstart.

^^^^^^^
All of what he said have used both, but the JP nose proctor is the tops
I am a rough bugger on my kit so I know how much damage I can do without it
sboardcrazy
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11 Jan 2010 2:06pm
Well Ive decided to get one but the usual problem..not in stock etc..I hope I B dont stuff the board before I get one!
Assuming the worst happens & the nose gets crunched how much roughly for a professional repair & can you tell its been repaired?
Gybesports
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12 Jan 2010 4:49pm
Just a quick question.

When you are in the water, swim around and see how far above the nose the boom is. On a board like a rocket which is less then 250 long it's not often that the boom would be low enough to hit the nose. also you will find the mast hits the rail where the pads are and not directly on the fiberglass.

Not sure for you particuler setup small sail 5.6 for the size of board and short boom, low boom hight.
In my years have done more damage with harness hooks then booms.

regards

David
Windxtasy
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12 Jan 2010 2:32pm
sboardcrazy said...

Well Ive decided to get one but the usual problem..not in stock etc..I hope I B dont stuff the board before I get one!
Assuming the worst happens & the nose gets crunched how much roughly for a professional repair & can you tell its been repaired?


small repair $80
can't tell unless you look really closely
Bertie
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12 Jan 2010 5:44pm
jp do a soft and a hard nose protector. which one are you refering too.
what board is it going on??
ducati
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12 Jan 2010 4:50pm
You buy a board to SAIL so sail it.
It's all about freedom and enjoyment.

NOT to agonise and worry about it, wrap it all in daggy plastic thingos, knobs deflectors etc etc
I mean you wouldn't wrap your car up to avoid a ding

You're an experienced sailor, but the odd ding happens to all of us
Buy some epoxy glass mat and Q cell $50 will set you up for life

Chek out the Board Lady site (or Mark Aust will tell U anyway)
And with your artistic flair I'd say you'd get a far better finish than most
sboardcrazy
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12 Jan 2010 9:37pm
ducati said...

You buy a board to SAIL so sail it.
It's all about freedom and enjoyment.

NOT to agonise and worry about it, wrap it all in daggy plastic thingos, knobs deflectors etc etc
I mean you wouldn't wrap your car up to avoid a ding

You're an experienced sailor, but the odd ding happens to all of us
Buy some epoxy glass mat and Q cell $50 will set you up for life

Chek out the Board Lady site (or Mark Aust will tell U anyway)
And with your artistic flair I'd say you'd get a far better finish than most


Ive ordered a Jp protector & its on its way. Probably overkill but it is my new baby! It survived another day! & I finally got it on the plane !Will give a run down tomorrow..too many aches & pains tonight..Im getting too old for this! Esp bigger sails...
NotWal
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12 Jan 2010 9:27pm
sboardcrazy said...

Well Ive decided to get one but the usual problem..not in stock etc..I hope I B dont stuff the board before I get one!
Assuming the worst happens & the nose gets crunched how much roughly for a professional repair & can you tell its been repaired?


You could do the pool noodle thing as a temporary measure. Tape it on with packaging tape - cheap and cheerful. Your friends will understand.
fullmoon
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12 Jan 2010 8:08pm
I made some nose protectors out of fiberglass. Layed up csm and woven roving thin on the bottom thick,4mm, on the top.They seem to work as i haven't damaged anything since. Stuck them on with small dobs of silicone.
Once I started I just kept going from a CA40 to formula.
They spread impact loads over a wide area and would probably increase the chance of mast breakage but hey damage on a new board is soul destroying.
Would buy them though if I could but we use *board.
I saw some at Windsurfing Perth last week but dont know what sizes they were.
Try emailing Reg to see.

Can post photos if reqd.
Sailhack
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13 Jan 2010 11:01am
I've got a JP nose protector hanging in the shed...dinged my first board pretty bad, patched it & fitted the protector. Unfortunately didn't patch it good enough, and it let water in, so removed the protector and fixed it properly. I found that I didn't ding the nose anymore (less catapults), so I left it off.

One prob with the protector, although it will protect the board, it's hard, and hard impact with the mast will result in a damaged mast, I know...went through 3 masts before I realised that they all went exactly at the same point...the distance from the base to the nose of the board.

My 2 cents...either get a soft nose protector, or a protector sleeve for the mast. Btw, cleaning silicone off the rough surface of the board wasn't much fun.
sboardcrazy
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13 Jan 2010 11:08am
Bertie said...

jp do a soft and a hard nose protector. which one are you refering too.
what board is it going on??

I know its grey fibreglass kit that you can silastic to fit most boards..Someone who had a protector said it has some sort of foam inside & fibreglass shell over..so I hope thats the same as mine.Its in the mail.

Gybesports
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14 Jan 2010 12:34pm
Maybe one of these will help?


sboardcrazy
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14 Jan 2010 1:18pm
Gybesports said...

Maybe one of these will help?




Starting to feel its all total overkill but.. the more the merrier!Thanks! Now I wont have to worry about wrecking the board if I get adventurous.. just the body..

sboardcrazy
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14 Jan 2010 1:38pm
Sailhack said...

I've got a JP nose protector hanging in the shed...dinged my first board pretty bad, patched it & fitted the protector. Unfortunately didn't patch it good enough, and it let water in, so removed the protector and fixed it properly. I found that I didn't ding the nose anymore (less catapults), so I left it off.

One prob with the protector, although it will protect the board, it's hard, and hard impact with the mast will result in a damaged mast, I know...went through 3 masts before I realised that they all went exactly at the same point...the distance from the base to the nose of the board.

My 2 cents...either get a soft nose protector, or a protector sleeve for the mast. Btw, cleaning silicone off the rough surface of the board wasn't much fun.

These ones are filled with a foam then the fibreglass so maybe not as bad?

FoS
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15 Jan 2010 10:05am
As a newb who does catapult a bit, over the last year or so I have found.

The Deviator thingy (a bit like the knob) loaded the mast extension to the point where it is cracked inside and is now a spare because it won't lock onto the euro pin anymore. It also gets in the way when water starting and swinging the sail past the nose of the board.

Nose damage on my Xantos 152 - I've repaired it myself, as per board lady, it's not a pro job but keeps the water out. I didn't rip the entire nose off just heavily bruised the nose area and created cracks. Now I've got it down pat with the materials etc it take around 1 hour to sand back and prep then apply the fibreglass etc. Wait about a day then sand back and paint. Next day ready to go again. Lately I haven't been sanding and painting. so I take out a day, but I've got this weekend off the water so I might tidy it up a bit.

deviator
www.thedeviator.com/

board lady
www.boardlady.com/

sboardcrazy
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15 Jan 2010 11:20am
Boardlady

Great link thanks.
Bristol
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15 Jan 2010 11:49am
sboardcrazy said...
Now I wont have to worry about wrecking the board if I get adventurous.. just the body..

You need one of these, available at all good windsurfing shops. Waterstarts will be just that little bit more challenging - well, quite a lot more challenging, actually.



sboardcrazy
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15 Jan 2010 1:06pm

No good .. doesnt stop whiplash.. actually I hate to think how bad whiplash would be if you catapulted with that..still I suppose that would be the least of your troubles as you drowned..
B..hell..I think I better order 3 nose protectors + soft pool noodles for the front to protect it when that hits it!
DavMen
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15 Jan 2010 1:09pm
Bristol said...





With that amount of bling it looks like a Jet skier at Kyeemagh
sboardcrazy
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15 Jan 2010 4:05pm
I just received the protector.For some reason I expected a hard fibreglass shell with soft filling but it is 3 layers. A hard plastic top / a high density EVA ( whatever that is ) / then the bottom is low density EVA. They say to glue it on with contact adhesive but i want to be able to remove it easily at a later date so Im not sure what to use..?
mineral1
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15 Jan 2010 1:45pm
sboardcrazy said...

I just received the protector.For some reason I expected a hard fibreglass shell with soft filling but it is 3 layers. A hard plastic top / a high density EVA ( whatever that is ) / then the bottom is low density EVA. They say to glue it on with contact adhesive but i want to be able to remove it easily at a later date so Im not sure what to use..?


Board repair guys fitted mine with general run of the mill silicone you get from a hardware store. They reckon it will come off later (with a bit of elbow grease) without damage to the board.
Mines still on, no problems, it even did the LOC (without me obviously) but didn’t come off.
sboardcrazy
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15 Jan 2010 5:16pm
So its the same type..soft & grey? I was looking at a few silicones in the hardware shop .One said dont get wet & the other didnt say if it was Ok in water.
mineral1
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15 Jan 2010 2:19pm
They used a clear type, didnt say exactly which one used. I do know it is one used for sealing in wet area's if thats any help too you.
Mineral
WindmanV
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15 Jan 2010 6:39pm
Hi, SBC,

Suggest you try Selly's "All Clear", which, for general repairs, will set even in water (but on your board, read the instructions on the tube, apply the protectors, then WAIT for the silicone to set correctly).

Hope this helps.
ducati
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15 Jan 2010 8:53pm
I reckon it would make a good horse collar

beats putting gunky stuff all over your new board
NotWal
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16 Jan 2010 2:12am
WindmanV said...

Hi, SBC,

Suggest you try Selly's "All Clear", which, for general repairs, will set even in water (but on your board, read the instructions on the tube, apply the protectors, then WAIT for the silicone to set correctly).

Hope this helps.


There's a uv resistant one used for roofing and glazing.
graceman
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16 Jan 2010 9:11am
Bristol said...

sboardcrazy said...
Now I wont have to worry about wrecking the board if I get adventurous.. just the body..

You need one of these, available at all good windsurfing shops. Waterstarts will be just that little bit more challenging - well, quite a lot more challenging, actually.






If only the kiter's could wear this over their wet suits
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