Surfpolitik Big Wave Measurements Leave Me Flaccid

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Legion
Legion
WA
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WA, 2222 posts
29 Nov 2011 2:34pm
Agent000 said...

legion I am not trying to make you give up your surfing traditions and lore but your statment that "its just the way it is" and "its an australian wide standard" (except parts of queensland) aint true, if only due to tourism and immigration, tell me honestly that you have never had someone give you that vaguely confused look after you state a wave size. besides that the surfing world is a lot bigger than just oz.

Only people confused are kooks.

Agent000 said...

it may be the way it is for poeple like you and me that (sorry for the assumption about yourself) grew up with ASL telling us what was hot/not and that the north shore was mecca (ok I may live a little closer to your beach than the caymans). but for the wider comunity (surfing and not ) it makes no sense (unless explained, which I would rather avoid, which is my only point).

I don't care what the wider community thinks. The wider Australian surfing community knows what's up. Except the kooks.

I have never known confusion amongst people who can surf. Not in this state anyway.

This thread topic comes up occasionally on different websites. There's no point arguing it, because you're not going to get experienced surfers who grew up with a particular system to suddenly go,

"You know what, you're right. I'm going to switch to wave face measurements all of a sudden."

It's like America holding on to Imperial measurements. We all know it doesn't make sense but you're not going to change it.

The other system makes sense - relative to 6' body size (i.e. waist high, head high, overhead, DOH, etc). But I generally use the "feet" measurement system with no confusion at all to other surfers.
doggie
doggie
WA
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WA, 15849 posts
29 Nov 2011 2:49pm
How big is a foot? Is it size 9 or 12 inches to a foot <<jokin
Woodo
Woodo
WA
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WA, 792 posts
29 Nov 2011 3:08pm
doggie said...

How big is a foot? Is it size 9 or 12 inches to a foot <<jokin


Somewhere inbetween Knee to waist.
PaddlePig
PaddlePig
WA
421 posts
WA, 421 posts
29 Nov 2011 3:46pm
I agree with what has been said here in terms of measurement. That is, head high is 3 foot. I'd guess if someone told me it was six foot I'd assume that was double head. I would never claim to have surfed 6 foot, I'm a sook (that's massive in my book). Hats off to those who do!

Except the non-surfer mate that is listening in on the converstaion takes it all literally.
doggie
doggie
WA
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29 Nov 2011 3:51pm
Woodo said...

doggie said...

How big is a foot? Is it size 9 or 12 inches to a foot <<jokin


Somewhere inbetween Knee to waist.


D!ck height
Woodo
Woodo
WA
792 posts
WA, 792 posts
29 Nov 2011 4:36pm
doggie said...

Woodo said...

doggie said...

How big is a foot? Is it size 9 or 12 inches to a foot <<jokin


Somewhere inbetween Knee to waist.


D!ck height


Haha!!!
I'm using that next time i surf small poo.
"how big was it?"
"dlck height"
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
29 Nov 2011 4:56pm
Woodo said...

doggie said...

Woodo said...

doggie said...

How big is a foot? Is it size 9 or 12 inches to a foot <<jokin


Somewhere inbetween Knee to waist.


D!ck height


Haha!!!
I'm using that next time i surf small poo.
"how big was it?"
"dlck height"


Lol, cant argue with that
weiry
weiry
QLD
5396 posts
QLD, 5396 posts
29 Nov 2011 7:54pm
Legion is spot on. If the wave is a HONEST 12 feet its 6foot in surf feet as for QLD a lot of guys i surf with still measure the back of the wave. only problem with the whole system or systems is when its BIG then the confusion begins. when its big say 8-10 in surf feet the only time you get to see the back of a wave is if you miss it and you haven't got much time to gaze at the wave and when your facing a wave your lying down and can only get a gage on a surfer.
IMO the hardest time to judge a wave is when looking down on a wave, a elevated position only distorts you judgment.
that's why a lot of surfers paddle out and say SH!T that didn't look that big from the car park
a photo of a 25 foot wave from a helicopter can be misleading
Agent000
Agent000
161 posts
161 posts
29 Nov 2011 5:56pm
^^^^ (what doggie said) but wouldn't that depend on which end of the dick and how well hung said individual is?

I dissagree I will argue with anything
Zuke
Zuke
901 posts
901 posts
29 Nov 2011 6:08pm
To add some confusion with measuring the back of waves, each wave is different. A fat slow wave has a bigger back to it than a super sucky wave that hits a shallow reef in deep water. So a 6' fat wave might have a 3 to 4 foot back but a 6' dredging barrel might only have a 2' back to it.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
30 Nov 2011 3:01pm
Well this topic has been fun so far. I thought that I had read somewhere a similar debate and after a bit of searching I have finally located it. Seems pretty similar to how wave size heights were explained to me many years ago. I have copied this off the realsurf forum - I am pretty sure Don will not mind.


Iggy's scale
½ foot = knee high
1 foot = waist high
2 foot = shoulder high
3 foot = just overhead (or 6 foot face)
4 foot = head and a half high
5 foot = just under double overhead
6 foot = double overhead
7 foot = nonexistent (it's either 6 or it's 8.)
8 foot = double and a half overhead
9 foot = nonexistent (it's either 8 or it's 10)
10 foot = a touch over triple overhead
11 foot = nonexistent (it's either 10 or it's 12)
12 foot = almost quadruple overhead
13 foot = nonexistent (there's a big void between 12 & 15 foot)
14 foot = nonexistent (there's a big void between 12 & 15 foot)
15 foot = is the bucket measurement for anything between quadruple and quintuple overhead for the entire length of the wave, and not just the take off)
...anything over 15 foot?
only very few people have the authority to even pass comment on this, and it's likely that either you nor I are one of them, so shut up and don't call that size unless you've surfed it, because you'd be too busy standing there slack-jawed to comprehend what the f*ck's happening...


While I use it, I don't get it. It's just what it is.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
30 Nov 2011 3:03pm
One of the replies to that post was pretty funny so thought I had better share that as well


Check the Iggy wave scale, which is pretty right.

Basically, measure the height of the wave face from top to bottom, divide by two.

Either state that as the wave height or reduce a little further depending on just how insecure you are and how much you are trying to big note yourself in front of others.

Waves that are big on the peak but get smaller quickly give you the opportunity to really impress everyone what a hellman you are, so a peak that is 12 foot on the face that quickly becomes 6 foot on the face (head high) can be called a 2 foot wave (iggy). Be sure to puff out your chest while saying this.

Once the wave heights get above double and a half overhead (circa 6 - 8 foot)') there is a sliding scale whereby the actual wave face height is called rather than half the wave face height. e.g. a 30 foot wave face is usually called 30 foot.

Why? I don't effin know.

There is no such thing as a 5 foot wave, a 7 foot wave, a 9 foot wave, an 11 foot wave or a 13 foot wave, but there are 1 foot and 3 foot waves.

At 15 feet and above, waves are called in increments of 5 foot. i.e. 15 foot, 20 foot, 25 foot.

Why? I don't effin know.

Having said that, waves can be called at 18-20 foot without revealing your total kookdom.

Why? I don't effin know.

Above all else, resist all desires for rational meanings and deliberations as to why and how wave heights are called. It is a pointless exercise.

Open ocean bouys measure the actual height of swells from trough to peak, so they are measuring something completely different, but as they are open ocean swells they don't bear a very close relationship with what is showing up on the beach, and can only be interpreted correctly with a knowledge of direction, period, local bathymetry and local knowledge.

And you pronounce bouys as 'boys'. If you pronounce it 'booies', you are **** moron yank.
PaddlePig
PaddlePig
WA
421 posts
WA, 421 posts
30 Nov 2011 12:38pm
The above post highlights what I was trying to say at the beginning of the thread. Calling waves in a manner that attempts to enlarge you percieved testicular fortitude. Not having a crack at anyone, just saying that's how it seems sometimes and the above post gives a few examples.
GPA
GPA
WA
2529 posts
GPA GPA
WA, 2529 posts
30 Nov 2011 12:41pm
Ted the Kiwi said...


7 foot = nonexistent (it's either 6 or it's 8.)


Classic... yep, never ever heard of a wave called 7'... it's always 6-8ft... (even if there is only 1 rouge set wave of 8' in a 2hr session).

mazdon
mazdon
1199 posts
1199 posts
30 Nov 2011 2:04pm
agree with legion, have never had an issue with understanding from other surfers

use knee, waist, head derivatives in metro surf (we used to call muniz style for one friend with particularly small feet who used to call by face size haha)

and once elsewhere and scoring over 4-6', accompany the number with "pretty solid" and/or "breaking top to bottom" and no more explanation is required re: size, as all understand that there was consequence (which = fun)
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