Surf fitness and weights?

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jbshack
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15 Jan 2013 4:05pm
doggie said...
surferstu said...
jbshack said...
surferstu said...
crustt said...
but ask any chiropractor that surfs what the benefits are


What do they say? Mine doesn't surf


Mine does and he can tell when i have been surfing more than not. My back stays more flexible and i have a lot less issues when i surf 3 times a week..


Interesting..I was under the impression more surfing meant more back trouble. Will ask mine next time.


Mals hurt my back alot, so much that I sold mine. Shorties I have no problem with my back at all. I have had back ops and since that I can only ride shortboards.


And SUP
doggie
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15 Jan 2013 4:33pm
jbshack said...
doggie said...
surferstu said...
jbshack said...
surferstu said...
crustt said...
but ask any chiropractor that surfs what the benefits are


What do they say? Mine doesn't surf


Mine does and he can tell when i have been surfing more than not. My back stays more flexible and i have a lot less issues when i surf 3 times a week..


Interesting..I was under the impression more surfing meant more back trouble. Will ask mine next time.


Mals hurt my back alot, so much that I sold mine. Shorties I have no problem with my back at all. I have had back ops and since that I can only ride shortboards.


And SUP


Only tried twice
Dawn Patrol
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15 Jan 2013 4:58pm
But SUP usually means that you have another sore (and looser than normal) body part. I don't think the actual paddling does it, but it comes with the territory [}:)][}:)]
thommo 000
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15 Jan 2013 5:03pm
I'm pretty slack really, probly should do more exercise, my back gets sore as well after a week or two out of the water, pity help us when we're old...well older.

You can almost get addicted to over-exercising to, you know that hey, because exercise releases endorphins, which provides a sense of euphoria.

I think that quite a few people maybe over exercising without realizing it and doing damage to their body as a result, a lot of people probly find it difficult to even admit that they might be over-exercising and that can lead to a number of serious complications later on gang...because of to much wear and tear on the body's muscle, joints and bones. Especially those people who use protein powders and steroids...they're vulnerable to a whole host of health problems if they overdo their fitness program.

Some people who over do it also restrict their calories in their efforts to increase muscle tone and mass. They may instead be losing both fat and muscle which can negatively impact their health overall.

So how can you exercise appropriately in a healthy manner?

Go get help from a professional trainer. They'll be able to recommend a good routine and also check to see that you don't over exert yourself.

If you feel obsessively compelled to exercise you should probly go to see a councillor to.
bakesy
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15 Jan 2013 5:06pm
just out of interest could we add diet to the feedback, I too like a lot of contributors here have lost weight through surfing and a bit of swimming laps but was diagnosed with Diabetes 2 about three years ago. I stopped drinking and try to eat right but struggle with breakfast. I'm currently on holidays but the work regime seems to limit me to 2 apples for breakfast, salad for lunch and various low fat options for dinner. Anyone heard the tip about not eating after 8pm? Struggling for the breakfast option!! Surf fitness is getting much better. Any super foods?
jbshack
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15 Jan 2013 5:12pm
thommo 000 said...
I'm pretty slack really, probly should do more exercise, my back gets sore as well after a week or two out of the water, pity help us when we're old...well older.

You can almost get addicted to over-exercising to, you know that hey, because exercise releases endorphins, which provides a sense of euphoria.

I think that quite a few people maybe over exercising without realizing it and doing damage to their body as a result, a lot of people probly find it difficult to even admit that they might be over-exercising and that can lead to a number of serious complications later on gang...because of to much wear and tear on the body's muscle, joints and bones. Especially those people who use protein powders and steroids...they're vulnerable to a whole host of health problems if they overdo their fitness program.

Some people who over do it also restrict their calories in their efforts to increase muscle tone and mass. They may instead be losing both fat and muscle which can negatively impact their health overall.

So how can you exercise appropriately in a health manner?

Go get help from a professional trainer. They'll be able to recommend a good routine and also check to see that you don't over exert yourself.

If you feel obsessively compelled to exercise you should probly go to see a councillor to.


I agree totally. I see people counting calories and starving themselves. In fact so many of my friends are just getting no were fast and are really getting peeved of. If you don't do it right your better of not doing it at all.

I find i'm eating much healthier than ever but more to do with feeling less hungry with the right foods. Also eating more often and things like lunch at 12 not at 2 make all the difference.

I watched the above video and sent it to my trainer and hopefully he will work through it with me as he understands weights, movements and muscle groups. Quite frankly i just like someone telling to do this and now do that. Works for me

On a side note i have a mates wife who is running marathons, eating crap and taking protein shakes and can't understand why she is getting fat and bulky[}:)]

The younger guys might not understand all this need to plan to excersie but they one day will for me it was after 40
jbshack
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15 Jan 2013 5:20pm
bakesy said...
just out of interest could we add diet to the feedback, I too like a lot of contributors here have lost weight through surfing and a bit of swimming laps but was diagnosed with Diabetes 2 about three years ago. I stopped drinking and try to eat right but struggle with breakfast. I'm currently on holidays but the work regime seems to limit me to 2 apples for breakfast, salad for lunch and various low fat options for dinner. Anyone heard the tip about not eating after 8pm? Struggling for the breakfast option!! Surf fitness is getting much better. Any super foods?


My breaky is a bowl of Muesli and a Egg of toast. I even like to slice the toast myself and a bit thicker than norm. Vegemite and egg yummm

If i don't have a big breaky by afternoon i feel ill.

I have also started taking Swiss Multi vits. Without these i found by late afternoons i was looking for a pick up. Berocca or such. Now no issues. I get hungry a little but i don't feel sluggish so to speak.
Dawn Patrol
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15 Jan 2013 5:23pm
I'm surprised how much effort it sounds like everyone does to stay fit.

I know a few older people (60ish) who, with a balanced diet and some regular exercise, would be fitter and healthier than 99% of the population.

And they don't need stuff like Chiros (different for you that have seriously injured their backs at some stage) or PT's or calorie counting or diets etc.

Everything in moderation seems to do the trick (again, actual health issues/things make it different, but for most people that isn't a problem)

jbshack
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15 Jan 2013 5:27pm
Dawn Patrol said...
I'm surprised how much effort it sounds like everyone does to stay fit.

I know a few older people (60ish) who, with a balanced diet and some regular exercise, would be fitter and healthier than 99% of the population.

And they don't need stuff like Chiros (different for you that have seriously injured their backs at some stage) or PT's or calorie counting or diets etc.

Everything in moderation seems to do the trick (again, actual health issues/things make it different, but for most people that isn't a problem)




I agree but i guess it comes down to lots of factors. Like motivation, metabolisms and i guess factors like what you do for work. A bit of everything i guess
Poida
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15 Jan 2013 7:06pm
try these if you cant surf 4 times a week
www.totalsurfingfitness.com
https://www.gabbyandlaird.com/home

problem is trying to keep a routine, which i have always failed at.
otherwise i try a cycle, a swim, a surf, a kite as many times as possible during the week. usually lucky to get two to three in a week normally of all of these.
Fred Rubble
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15 Jan 2013 8:48pm
Good thread
Has anyone used super greens
All the good stuff from veggies in a powdered form
Haven't even had the slightest sniffle after trying this gear
crustt
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16 Jan 2013 9:17am
doggie said...
surferstu said...
jbshack said...
surferstu said...
crustt said...
but ask any chiropractor that surfs what the benefits are


What do they say? Mine doesn't surf


Mine does and he can tell when i have been surfing more than not. My back stays more flexible and i have a lot less issues when i surf 3 times a week..


Interesting..I was under the impression more surfing meant more back trouble. Will ask mine next time.


Mals hurt my back alot, so much that I sold mine. Shorties I have no problem with my back at all. I have had back ops and since that I can only ride shortboards.


Yeah surfing does mess your back up. I was talking about the sup and not so much the paddling, all the talk about sups being good for your core strength is not so much paddling but just standing there, the whole time I am out , even if it is just standing there havin a yak I am getting a work out, cause all the time I am adjusting my weight to keep my balance, in general my posture is much better. My chiro told me another way to get the same sort of workout is to get one of those inflatable exercise balls and balance on it on your knees, bit boring though rather catch waves and upset mal riders while I'm exercising.
Prawnhead
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16 Jan 2013 11:25am
jbshack said...


SO no one does weights

chip on my shoulder occasionally and the weight of expectation!
akhawk
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16 Jan 2013 8:36am
bakesy said...
just out of interest could we add diet to the feedback, I too like a lot of contributors here have lost weight through surfing and a bit of swimming laps but was diagnosed with Diabetes 2 about three years ago. I stopped drinking and try to eat right but struggle with breakfast. I'm currently on holidays but the work regime seems to limit me to 2 apples for breakfast, salad for lunch and various low fat options for dinner. Anyone heard the tip about not eating after 8pm? Struggling for the breakfast option!! Surf fitness is getting much better. Any super foods?


We make our own muesli with oven toasted oats, pumpkin and sun flower seeds, almonds, and coconut. Put a bit of "Roaring Cow" greek or natural yoghurt, fruit, a little honey....magic start to the day!!

I'm getting into this style of training:
http://www.globalbodyweighttraining.com
Great for strength, flexibility, mobility, no need for gyms, can train anywhere etc
Even though I'm not a surfer (I paddle stand up for fun, fitness, down wind...don't worry fella's I won't be crashing already crowded lines ups on my ocean liner), I reckon this style of training would really compliment surfing.
beerdead
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16 Jan 2013 9:26pm

I'm getting into this style of training:
http://www.globalbodyweighttraining.com
Great for strength, flexibility, mobility, no need for gyms, can train anywhere etc
Even though I'm not a surfer (I paddle stand up for fun, fitness, down wind...don't worry fella's I won't be crashing already crowded lines ups on my ocean liner), I reckon this style of training would really compliment surfing.


You're young, aren't you.
beerdead
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16 Jan 2013 10:11pm
A few of you blokes have the right idea.
Too much exercise will wear you out, and it IS addictive.

A regular regimen of cardio, strength and stretching will keep you optimally fit.
Once you reach this level it becomes a lot of hard work to get any fitter.

I have been VERY fit, but I also have been very capable, and these are not necessary simultaneous. It's about finding the combination that is right for you. Do a bit most days without buggering yourself and you won't burn out as easily.
I also have found that yoga is excellent for maintaining strength and flexibility.

As for personal trainers, they can certainly motivate you, but the most helpful thing is to learn new training techniques and philosophies. If you constantly need motivation then you won't stay fit.

Diet is also instrumental.
I make a point of having at least one salad every day. I believe that raw foods are important in maintaining optimum health.

Low cholesterol meats, highly coloured veges, unprocessed foods, home grown if possible. Pulses are wonderful.

A combination of Mediteranean and south east Asian style cooking is about as good as it gets

I also eat as much freshly caught fish, and wild game as possible. Lower levels of fats, and the fish has only nourishing fats.
Roo is superb corned or casseroled. Eastern Greys are like lean beef. Wild goat will leave lamb for dead. (sorry). Rabbits cooked on the Weber in an oven bag, with a jar of salsa is mouth watering. (I'm drooling now).

With a family history of diabetes and macular degeneration, I don't need much convincing of good diet.
My love of surfing and other activities makes sure that I keep fit enough to be able to perform. And at the end of the day it's about what you want to do that governs fitness. It's a lifestyle choice.

There's another aspect to the fitness triad, and that's sleep/rest. Without enough you WILL knacker yourself. I have a poppy nap almost every day, and have done since I started work at 16. Sometimes it is simply nice to do fark all. I'm good at that :). I meditate occasionally too. (I get paid to do this at work which is good)
Dazza65
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16 Jan 2013 9:56pm
Stupidstupid said...
Good thread
Has anyone used super greens
All the good stuff from veggies in a powdered form
Haven't even had the slightest sniffle after trying this gear


I have been taking Vital Greens for a year or so, replaced my daily Multi with it feel better from a health perspective for sure, can highly recommend it.
Having our first child has seen me put on 7 kgs over the last year, my exercise and surf time quickly disappeared. Know it won't be forever but not used to being overweight.
akhawk
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16 Jan 2013 7:58pm
beerdead said...

I'm getting into this style of training:
http://www.globalbodyweighttraining.com
Great for strength, flexibility, mobility, no need for gyms, can train anywhere etc
Even though I'm not a surfer (I paddle stand up for fun, fitness, down wind...don't worry fella's I won't be crashing already crowded lines ups on my ocean liner), I reckon this style of training would really compliment surfing.


You're young, aren't you.



Not really, 36 years old.
beerdead
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16 Jan 2013 11:04pm
akhawk said...
beerdead said...

I'm getting into this style of training:
http://www.globalbodyweighttraining.com
Great for strength, flexibility, mobility, no need for gyms, can train anywhere etc
Even though I'm not a surfer (I paddle stand up for fun, fitness, down wind...don't worry fella's I won't be crashing already crowded lines ups on my ocean liner), I reckon this style of training would really compliment surfing.


You're young, aren't you.



Not really, 36 years old.



That's a lot younger than 60. :(


newguy
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16 Jan 2013 8:15pm
Don't discount adequate hydration too. I found in Indo I could easily get by with just the 3 main meals each day (with added juice) while drinking a s**tload of water. And this was while surfing all day. Sometimes breakfast would comprise of just a coffee or milo. Even better, water has no calories and a lot of the times, dehydration can be preconceived as hunger.

Got super fit but upon returning home, the temptation of fish and chips, maccas and soft drink has been to strong
lost at sea
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16 Jan 2013 8:35pm
that' s 2 for kettlebells , a personally have 2, 16 kg's and a 24 kg I've doing it for about 2 years roughly , and fullon for about 1 year ,now I've bailed on the gym , that mindless waste of time ,you need to rotate routines ,I'll share mine
example, monday 40 km ride + 30min kb workout the kb is a mixture of lifts and ballistic movements , so what i mean is 4 sets of shoulder presses then move onto 40 snatches ,then 40 swings ,40 slingshots ,the double swings , double snatches, double shoudlers presses and repeat this 4 times , trust me this will get you going
tuesday 2km swim ie 20 full laps of a50 mt pool then a 7km barefoot beach run then run up and down a flight of beach stairs at my local
wednesday 40 km ride, spartan workout then a 24kg kettlebell workout for 20 mins ,and so on you get the drift, this type of routine will make you lean and mean like bruce lee, not buff like Arnnie anyway I'm sick of typing goodluck
**** I forgot this type of training is wicked for surfing
beastsurf
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16 Jan 2013 11:09pm
Ive started drinking XXXX gold down to six cans a night. Im buying cartons of twenties instead of the 25 so thats a 20% reduction in nico. Never felt better. On a serious note I remember hearing Ross Clarke Jones saying his training for riding big waves was to drive his car on the track as fast as he can. His reasoning was something like it puts him in the right mental place. Not everyone has a race car but is it a mental thing as well as physical?
tightlines
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16 Jan 2013 11:43pm
crustt said...
Ive dropped 23kg over a year and surfing quite well, the weight drop and improvement in surf fitness is good diet and the only exercise I do besides surfing itself is riding aaaaaaaaa.......Sup. Some may scoff and cruelly slay me with the red thumbs, but ask any chiropractor that surfs what the benefits are, truth is I don't have bad surfs anymore. And the Sup is the natural enemy of the Mal rider, that's gotta be worth more greens than reds.


Totally agree with this.

I'm not talking just SUP surfing but smashing out 10k paddles along the coast on a no swell Easterly morning or 20k Downwinders e.g. Dawesville Cut to Singleton in 20knots (when it is too blown out for surfing) on a 14'er race board.

I also kite heaps, do a bit of jogging and cycling and usually start most days with 20-50 kettle bell swings with a 24lb kettle bell, it really kick starts the metabolism.

Did the Lancelin Ocean Classic kite surf race (Ledge to Lano) last weekend and probably doing the "Doctor" this weekend 27k SUP race from Rotto to Sorrento.
I'm an old coj in my 50's so I have absolutely no chance of being anywhere near the front of the pack this weekend but I will get a hell of a workout.
tightlines
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17 Jan 2013 5:33am
^ That was a 24kg kettle bell.
I also have a 12kg kettle bell that I do shoulder press's and various excersices with but most mornings I just do a quick set or two of 24kg swings, it only takes a few minutes but sure gets the heart going.
When I started doing the KB swings I was using a mates 16kg one but ended up buying the 12 and 24 and working my way up to 50 swings of the 24.

As far as diet I try to eat reasonably healthy stuff and more proteins than carbs.
I used to always skip brekky and just have a coffee but these days I always have breakfast and at least a couple of days a week I will have one of my super omelettes, 4 egg whites but only use 1 egg yolk with various combinations of things thrown in like spring onion, ham, mushrooms, feta, spinach, sun dried tomato etc.
Then eat less during the day/for dinner and mainly drink just water instead of the juices, soft drinks and iced coffees that I used to have.
I still drink to much beer and wine but hey it's a big improvement on what my diet used to be.

shunter
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17 Jan 2013 9:40am
KB swings are a great exercise done right they work the whole posteria chain.

A couple of warmup exercise's that you probably know about that helps with shoulder stability/strength for surfing and kiting are:

halos - pass a 12kg bell held two handed and rotated around your head
Around the world -Pass the KB around your body chaging hands
Figure 8s - as above but pass the KB between your legs

A great workout is to do single arm snatches alt between 15 secs work and 15 secs rest and alt each arm do for as long as possible I built up to 40mins of snatching a 16kg bell 7-8 reps per 15 seconds. Great cardio and strength but a bit boring after 20mins....

I have a 12kg, 2x16's and a 24, jump rope, pull up bar and a set of gym rings these are enough to give a good workout at home. Would like to add in a sand bag or two as well just for some of the heavier squats/deadlifts

cheers
tightlines
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26 Jan 2013 8:14am
tightlines said...
Did the Lancelin Ocean Classic kite surf race (Ledge to Lano) last weekend and probably doing the "Doctor" this weekend 27k SUP race from Rotto to Sorrento.
I'm an old coj in my 50's so I have absolutely no chance of being anywhere near the front of the pack this weekend but I will get a hell of a workout.


Mmmm maybe not as fit as I thought I was, my legs turned to jelly around about the Centaur marker with 5k to go, it took me 3hrs 34mins, the winner (world champ) Travis Grant did it over an hour quicker.
I was right about it being a hell of a workout though.
jbshack
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26 Jan 2013 1:25pm
tightlines said...
tightlines said...
Did the Lancelin Ocean Classic kite surf race (Ledge to Lano) last weekend and probably doing the "Doctor" this weekend 27k SUP race from Rotto to Sorrento.
I'm an old coj in my 50's so I have absolutely no chance of being anywhere near the front of the pack this weekend but I will get a hell of a workout.


Mmmm maybe not as fit as I thought I was, my legs turned to jelly around about the Centaur marker with 5k to go, it took me 3hrs 34mins, the winner (world champ) Travis Grant did it over an hour quicker.
I was right about it being a hell of a workout though.


That better than the bloke sitting on the couch.
Locky24
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1 Feb 2013 10:09pm
GPA said...
Cycle hills ... Builds both strengh and stamina...


+ 1
Started this a few months back and have noticed a big difference.
Legs are heaps stronger, so are my lungs for that matter, and my lower back is stronger than ever.
zarb
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2 Feb 2013 1:14pm
My take on fitness for surfing is the same with any other activity you want to excel in. Specificity is king. Then do a little cardio on the side along with a bit of cross training for those less used movements to prevent injury.

As for diet, I am a little curious about everyone telling people to go for a low fat option?
I am by no means an expert on the matter, but isn't there a lot of research coming out now that points to fat being far more beneficial in the diet than the vast majority of carbohydrates from things like breads, pasta (whether wholegrain or not)? A lot of medical professionals seem to be saying that people can even benefit from cutting out dairy.
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