Can't get past the break?

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Borklazer316
Borklazer316
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20 Sep 2015 1:45pm
First time posting in this just looking for a little help or advice. I use to surf between the ages of 6-14. between 12-14 I use to ride a shortboard but before that it was always a bodyboard, I was more than comfortable on it and wasn't too bad on it. I'm now 23 and have just recently moved to the gold coast from the U.K. The last couple of weeks i've tried going out on my surfboard which I bought since getting here, it's about 6'1 maybe slightly smaller, today and yesterday i've just not been able to get past the break....AT-ALL. In the end I gave up and was surfing in about 2 foot of water and riding in until the fins hit the sand....albeit surfing for 10 foot and standing up for 4 of that 10 foot wasn't as fun as anticipated. I weigh about 60kg at the most and am about 5'7 so i'm effectively pretty nimble.

Is my board to little to try and start on after such a long lay off should I look at getting another board? Am I doing everything wrong? I sit down on the beach for 20 minutes or so before getting in the water and observe everyone else, the technique, the movement etc but I just can't seem to follow suit and just can't get past the break, any ideas or advice? I've tried duck diving but by the time i've gone under i've been pushed back so far it feels like i'm not getting anywhere and by then i'm so tired I can't even get back out!
sparki
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20 Sep 2015 1:54pm
it's all about timing. if a set has just arrived and you're not good at duck diving, there's only one way you're going - back to the beach. observe before paddling out. waves generally don't arrive at linear time frames - there will be lulls between sets. try to decipher when a lull is occurring.
PaulyOS
PaulyOS
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20 Sep 2015 3:19pm
Hey man I know how you feel

Does the wave break the whole way down the beach or just in certain sections i.e reef or sand bank?

If this is the case then you just gotta paddle around the breaking zone.

If not and if you cant duck dive, just bail your board and dive under the wave as it comes towards you. Dont be afraid of the waves pulling your leg off, just tug back on the board when the wave pulls it. When you come up just jump on your board and keep paddling and do the same until you get outside the breaking zone.

This is an example of getting caught inside (i.e caught in the breaking zone)



And yeh, as sparki said you just gotta wait it out until the big sets subside. If they dont subside then the waves are probably a bit big for you considering your beginner state
Borklazer316
Borklazer316
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20 Sep 2015 3:47pm
Thanks for the replies guys, any websites or anything I can look at to tell when it's best to try and paddle out when it's lull? (apart from the obvious observe the water myself)

The waves were breaking all the way down the beach as far as I could tell, there was sets that were coming in and I was trying to avoid the big ones but even the little ones were throwing me off the board, could there be a chance the board i'm using is too small for my knowledge of the surf so far? I seen other guys on smaller boards just hop in whenever and go through the waves like a dart and they were out past the breaking point within 30 seconds! The thing was the waves were coming in fast, so as soon as a big one knocked me off as I was trying to get back up another smaller one came and knocked me off again.

That guy in the video was me except for the waves were nothing like that and had they of been that size i'd be typing this message in a&e haha, just frustrating more than anything because when I do catch a good wave I can actually surf but I just can't seem to get out properly. Gonna go again tomorrow and try it out again, hopefully have a bit more success than today!
PaulyOS
PaulyOS
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20 Sep 2015 5:36pm
Mate just ditch your board when the wave comes like the guy in the video, this way you wont get pulled with the wave as you can just resist the pull of your board (your board will slice through the water). Assuming you have a leg strap just tug on it when the wave comes and retrieve it when you get to the surface and continue paddling. - Repeat until you get out past the break! Oh and make sure there's nobody behind you when you ditch your board.
mitchbat
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20 Sep 2015 7:50pm
^^pretty average advice there Pauly. Duck diving is one of the fundamentals of surfing and he needs to keep practicing until he can get deep enough to get past waves. Once you can duck dive properly you will get through the impact zone a lot quicker than someone who ditches their board. If you don't learn to duck dive now you will be a danger to others in the water.
Legion
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20 Sep 2015 7:51pm
Don't ditch your board. If you ditch your board it better be serious waves. Not sunny 1' gold coast. Ditch your board in a busy spot and you might get some harsh attention, deservedly so.

borklazer go to a quiet spot and practice duckdiving. I'm sure the internet will have videos and stuff.
bene313
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20 Sep 2015 8:55pm
Dont ditch your board, duck diving works. Get fit - let us know when you can knock out 2km at the pool in 30 min.
mousetrap
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20 Sep 2015 8:56pm
Just go jump of the point at snapper with everyone else. It's only a 10 metre wade through a couple of whitewashes then a quick paddle out between waves and you'll be amongst it!
thedrip
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20 Sep 2015 9:07pm
Learn to duck dive properly and get fit.

The first one is sheer practice. I use my foot on the tail always, never my knee. Practice and timing.

The second one is time in the water and perhaps some cross training if you aren't surfing 3-4 times a week. If you look at some training, do 25 m sprints in the pool, with 50-75m slow recovery. Perhaps a 200m slow warm up and warm down. That used to be my training when I lived inland. Also push ups. These days it's not necessarily the paddling that wears me down first but the duckdiving, so push ups help.

DO NOT BAIL YOUR BOARD. Chances are you will rapidly annoy someone.

And yes, a bigger board would have helped you paddle faster but would have resulted in less duck diveability.
Salty Sea Dog
Salty Sea Dog
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21 Sep 2015 10:04am
PaulyOS said..
Hey man I know how you feel

Does the wave break the whole way down the beach or just in certain sections i.e reef or sand bank?

If this is the case then you just gotta paddle around the breaking zone.

If not and if you cant duck dive, just bail your board and dive under the wave as it comes towards you. Dont be afraid of the waves pulling your leg off, just tug back on the board when the wave pulls it. When you come up just jump on your board and keep paddling and do the same until you get outside the breaking zone.

This is an example of getting caught inside (i.e caught in the breaking zone)



And yeh, as sparki said you just gotta wait it out until the big sets subside. If they dont subside then the waves are probably a bit big for you considering your beginner state


NEVER BAIL YOUR BOARD!!!!!
Macaha
Macaha
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21 Sep 2015 10:36am
Welcome to the forum and the Gold Coast.

Where on the Gold Coast have you been surfing?

Some great advice given above.

Mine is never give up,I've played more sports and found two the hardest,golf and surfing.
Gave up golf years ago.
bene313
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21 Sep 2015 8:39am
Most of the time it pays to hang on to your board:

- Your board is a flotation device. Hang on to it tight especially when it's big.

- If it's big and you bail, then your leg rope snaps, it might be a long swim!
chrispy
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21 Sep 2015 10:32am
mate if you have been surfing the northen breaks it can be heartbreaking even when its small. especially now when we have great banks but the inside one is just relentless. even when its small. you just get caught there and you aint going anywhere.

you say you watch peeps,well i think you are not. look for a rip and where the sweeps are running. let a bit of logic work from there.....im not even sure i should be helping you as im adding to a already crowded lineup......


good luck


oh and for the board ditchers....its ****tards like you that should not be in the water you kooks
PaulyOS
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21 Sep 2015 12:55pm
I only ditch my board because it's an 8ft boat... not a small shortboard.
Legion
Legion
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21 Sep 2015 1:20pm
Well that's even worse.
Ctngoodvibes
Ctngoodvibes
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21 Sep 2015 1:57pm
Hipster + no legrope + board ditch = even more offensive
chrispy
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21 Sep 2015 2:36pm
PaulyOS said..
I only ditch my board because it's an 8ft boat... not a small shortboard.


mate my favourite board atm is 7;6........... sorry lads in the shorty room

and i can duck dive that bitch ,technique and timing mate,they are your friends........
Salty Sea Dog
Salty Sea Dog
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21 Sep 2015 4:51pm
Whats the trick Chrispy? I'm 76kgs wet through and ride a 33ltr board. I have no issues duck diving it, but don't ever seem to get as deep as I'd like on the bigger sets which means I get caught inside for longer than I'd like.

Now I'm not expecting you to give me a tip that lets me duck dive like this...
but I'm sure you wise old head has some sage advice for a youngster like me
Borklazer316
Borklazer316
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21 Sep 2015 3:17pm
Looks like i've had a massive amount of help from all the guys on here, thanks! Unfortunately another unsuccessful day, 3 hours spent in the water, total number of waves rode : 0. I spent about 30-45 minutes trying to get out but couldn't manage it so went and sat down on the beach for half hour watching people go in, looking out for the duck diving technique they were using and everything else in between.

I went back in and got within maybe 15 metres of the break point but eventually got washed back into shore. Starting to get a little bit frustrating now as I can't really tell what else I should be doing, at one point I let the rip pull me out a bit but it only took me so far. I surfed Burleigh today and that's where I usually go as it's only 5 minutes away from my house. Would surf lessons be something I should be going for here? I feel like they'd be a bit of a waste because the whole point in learning to surf is the enjoyment and accomplishment you get out of it yourself, I use to ride a bmx in skateparks and stuff and learning something new myself was a great feeling of accomplishment and I don't want to take that away from it and my only problem right now is getting past the break, do surf schools even just teach classes on how to get past break? haha

I didn't let go of the board just incase anybody thinks i'm a kook!
bene313
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21 Sep 2015 3:44pm
How strong a swimmer are you?
Dawn Patrol
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21 Sep 2015 4:09pm
Maybe combination of fitness and technique? Keep it up, you'll get out eventually, maybe at a different spot on a different day. It'll come.
Good persistence, I'd be pissed right off after not making it after that long!!!
Macaha
Macaha
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21 Sep 2015 6:42pm
Borklazer316 said..
Looks like i've had a massive amount of help from all the guys on here, thanks! Unfortunately another unsuccessful day, 3 hours spent in the water, total number of waves rode : 0. I spent about 30-45 minutes trying to get out but couldn't manage it so went and sat down on the beach for half hour watching people go in, looking out for the duck diving technique they were using and everything else in between.

I went back in and got within maybe 15 metres of the break point but eventually got washed back into shore. Starting to get a little bit frustrating now as I can't really tell what else I should be doing, at one point I let the rip pull me out a bit but it only took me so far. I surfed Burleigh today and that's where I usually go as it's only 5 minutes away from my house. Would surf lessons be something I should be going for here? I feel like they'd be a bit of a waste because the whole point in learning to surf is the enjoyment and accomplishment you get out of it yourself, I use to ride a bmx in skateparks and stuff and learning something new myself was a great feeling of accomplishment and I don't want to take that away from it and my only problem right now is getting past the break, do surf schools even just teach classes on how to get past break? haha

I didn't let go of the board just incase anybody thinks i'm a kook!


Mate without doubt you should book a few lessons from a school on the bigger foam boards and get yourself a bigger board,this will fast track your skills.
LateStarter
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21 Sep 2015 5:00pm
I can't believe there are so many people on here suggesting that this kid ditch his board.

Ditching your board is an absolute last resort, if you can't control your board you shouldn't be out there, go for a round of golf instead.

As for struggling to get out past the break, just persevere. It's technique and experience that you develop over time. Watch where the other guys paddle out, maybe paddle out through a rip, try and time a lull or perhaps look for a spot with smaller waves or a shorter paddle out.
chrispy
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21 Sep 2015 5:04pm
Dawn Patrol said..
Maybe combination of fitness and technique? Keep it up, you'll get out eventually, maybe at a different spot on a different day. It'll come.
Good persistence, I'd be pissed right off after not making it after that long!!!



mmmm i surfed burleigh today and it was one of the easier days with the swell we had. so i sorta dont know what to say now..

salty now your just mocking me.... if you can duck dive a small wave you can do the same on a bigger one....i will say that on a few bigger ones i have felt the wave pass over me and im thinking all is good.....then i get sucked back and dragged. glad im still holding onto my board though

oh i find it easier o the bigger waves as generally it is in deeper water,or they help force the board under more
Borklazer316
Borklazer316
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21 Sep 2015 5:22pm
Like you said you surfed burleigh today and it was one of the easier days so at-least you're probably understanding my frustration lol, feels like it could just be a combination of fitness and technique now more than anything, suppose nothing else left to do except keep trying, back down burleigh tomorrow to tackle the break haha!
chrispy
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21 Sep 2015 5:32pm
Borklazer316 said..
Like you said you surfed burleigh today and it was one of the easier days so at-least you're probably understanding my frustration lol, feels like it could just be a combination of fitness and technique now more than anything, suppose nothing else left to do except keep trying, back down burleigh tomorrow to tackle the break haha!


mate it will be blowing north tomorrow,so you might want to go north

yep keep on trying mate and will all happen
PaulyOS
PaulyOS
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21 Sep 2015 5:41pm
Hahahahha so much hate

If it makes you guys feel any better I always look behind me to make sure there's SUPs there to mow down
subasurf
subasurf
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21 Sep 2015 6:38pm
PaulyOS said..
Hahahahha so much hate



That's because you're a kook giving idiotic advice to a beginner.
mitchbat
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21 Sep 2015 6:51pm
One mistake a lot of beginners make is to duck dive too early. Unless you're John John you probably won't be duck diving very deep so timing is important. You don't want to surface in the middle of the white water.
mousetrap
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21 Sep 2015 9:52pm
Another one person out snapper wouldn't be a problem surely..it is one foot most days anyway. Otherwise perhaps try the spit (when it's small) and jump in the rip next to the groyne to the north or the pylons of the jetty to the south, the channels and water flow may help you get out there.
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