Ignorance must be bliss water man.
And i think you'll find there's a lot more than 5000 surfers in the water a day. Otherwise 90% of all the board shops would be broke.

Oh yeah, and the Greens arent actually Greenies. They are far from it, thats just the name of their party!!!!

Settle down boys....

To my mind the original intent of this thread has now expired...

Have a good day

I just hope his family and friends haven't read this
It is not the time or place
The thing about forums is that your posting YOUR personal opinion
Not everyone has to agree with them
And i won't be getting all self righteous when someone has died
Show some respect

weiry said...

its quiet obvious that you have strong views why not back off with the agro, by calling that guy a F**K wit and numpty does not get your point across.
as for me i dont agree with his view.......

is a knee jurk reaction that you dont do anything wrong, for every fish WE take from the ocean for our f/chips. livestock for STEAK and fruit & vegies (you do eat dont you) mining, textiles for our clothes books and even computers have a impact on the earth and ocaen with siltation pollutants from land clearing for stock, produce, yep everything, i hope you get my drift by now,
so to cast a stone at rscaife as one of the FEW wrecking the ocaen is what itook as a bit hypocritical.

You know what mate? You're actually dead right. I did go over board with the personal attacks instead of just sticking to arguing my point and I should apologize for that, both to you and what'shisface...

As for my apparent hypocritical comments about others destroying the ocean, I think you've simply taken it the wrong way. I will be the first to admit that I will leave a negative footprint on the planet. I eat meat (all though not much) and I eat veggies. I buy 5hit and I live in a nice house and own quite a few cars. Having said that, I do my absolute best to minimise my impact where I can. I don't eat meat unless I know where it's from, I grow most of my own produce and I flat out refuse to eat seafood unless I've shot it myself...and that is only a few times a year. I don't expect everyone else to do what I do but I also find it absolutely disgraceful when people are so ignorant and arrogant to think that we have a supreme right to the ocean and mastery over all the things that live in it. For people to wish for the extinction of any animal, shark or not, for their own benefit is just a huge window into how sick and twisted we as a species are.

I do take it very personal. I have spent the last few years working for marine protection, including shark tagging and research. Out of my own pocket I go diving as often as I can to clean up all the 5hit people leave behind in the water. I spent an entire summer diving off Cottesloe to clean all the fishing tackle (you would be astounded as to how much stuff is there) left behind in the water. I've helped educate kids in Indo on how important it is to protect their coral reefs and I'm currently the head of a reef restoration project we're planning for Nusa Lembongan....amongst other things. This 5hit is my life mate, so when people speak out about wiping Great White Sharks out just because someone was killed...well, my mind goes into meltdown, because sadly I was ignorant enough to think that Australians were educated enough to know better.

Anyhoo...rant over. I'm spending the rest of the day testing water samples...yay for me

bakesy said...
Bit of advice, if you wish to educate people you need to drop the personal attacks. I know that you were reacting to some pretty average posts directed at you, but you wont shape others by returning fire. Keep up the good work though, if you want to join us in Mandurah on cleanup Oz day, we always need divers to help out, you may be surprised at the turnout. Oh and remember that some fear those with a little knowledge...

Yeah mate, you're right, bit of a dickheadish thing to take it personal. Ohwell, hopefully my apology will be accepted

When is cleanup Oz day? I usually clean up Bibra Lake but if I can I wouldn't mind getting back in the water.

Many people don't understand this. Remove the Apex predator and loss the total ecosystem. Loss the ocean and good luck for man to try and live.

We have already done way to much damage to our oceans and ecosystems.

Example. If South Australia (Kangaroo island i think) NZ fur seals are now increasing three fold in numbers due to less pressure from Sharks being culled off. So now we have the seals are eating and killing the Fairy Penguin population as they compete for space and food. Now the Penguins are in trouble and about to be wiped out. Then the next species and the list goes on and on.

I feel that shark number interaction with man has definitely increased. As we out fish our oceans sharks are looking for more food resources. Don't like it and don't want to be eaten. Stay out of the water and start to help preserve our oceans.

I understand people's reaction to this matter. From Subas side i agree totally i see it so hard to understand how any water loving person could be so miss informed to think it good to kill of Sharks. That is our playground your talking about destroying. But i can also understand people knee jerk reaction to the loss of life.
Amazingly though the family's of shark attack victims all say the same thing. We love and respect the shark and would never want them harmed....I think that says it all.

There use to be more seals and less penguins on the island. Humans hunted the seals in the past for fur which allowed the penguin population to explode. Now the seals are recovering and bringing the penguin population back into balance.

Condolences to the family and friends.

It takes all types of people from all walks of life to make this planet the way it is.
I would love to live as a hermit in my own world made the way I want it.... But that aint gonna happen.
I don't know about a lot of the population, but it seems that we are only allowed to think one way.
If we step out of the " Chain Of Belief " we are narrow minded or evil or trash.
In a country that we are allowed to " voice our opinions " I think we hide ourselves away in the fear of being attacked for our thoughts. This is why we have code names and put pictures of things other than our faces on sites.
Getting back to the topic.....
Seeing the young boys mother on TV tonight made me feel sick. I am sorry for her loss and I know nothing can replace her Son. The only comfort out of the sickening attack is, he was taken doing something he loved.
I hope all surfers and people enjoying the ocean, stay safe and enjoy it, as it has been noted, it is a awesome gift we have the pleasure of using.

Maybe he was a surfer but decided to sponge that day? I dunno, maybe a possibilty.

TOAD said...

Trying not to be too insensitive here but why did they place a surfboard as a memorial at the beach , wasn't he a boogie boarder ?????

He rode a stand up and a lid.
Great gesture whoever put the board there.

$100 says it wont.
But a great memorial none the less.

Love the comments on the board

"We'll miss you brother. Show Andy Irons how it's done!"
Classic!

Bloody sad stuff to lose a good mate. It's been almost two years for me and it still really hurts bad. He's clearly got some good mates, judging by the memorial. Hope they keep the stoke going for him.

rscaife said...

To the pseudo eco-warrior cyber-bullies of Seabreeze:
You can lambaste me all you want, but the beauty and creativity of the human cognitive capacity are unmatched in the Universe. Any human life is, therefore, worth much more than a shark's. If there need be bloodshed, let it hence be that of a Carcharodon carcharias.
Go ahead, crucify me for my views, but my values are based on those of the Inuit. The Inuit who genuinly respect the land and all its creatures. The Inuit who, despite the near divine status of the polar bear, will kill it rather than be killed. Call me ignorant, and you insult an entire race. A proud race that will rightly mock you for being a Kabloona.

There's a difference between killing a polar bear in self defence, and actively hunting it to the point of extinction as you suggested...

birdman89 said...

There's a difference between killing a polar bear in self defence, and actively hunting it to the point of extinction as you suggested...

Not only that, but for the people her compares himself too...they cannot quite so easily remove themselves from danger as a Polar Bear is a land animal. Sharks on the other hand, are not. Avoiding shark attacks is about the easiest thing a person can do.

Woodo, that photo of those crays is so fn good, night time?

Torch said...

rscaife said...

To the pseudo eco-warrior cyber-bullies of Seabreeze:
You can lambaste me all you want, but the beauty and creativity of the human cognitive capacity are unmatched in the Universe. Any human life is, therefore, worth much more than a shark's. If there need be bloodshed, let it hence be that of a Carcharodon carcharias.
Go ahead, crucify me for my views, but my values are based on those of the Inuit. The Inuit who genuinly respect the land and all its creatures. The Inuit who, despite the near divine status of the polar bear, will kill it rather than be killed. Call me ignorant, and you insult an entire race. A proud race that will rightly mock you for being a Kabloona.

drinking past your bed time really isn't working out for you is it?

Hahahaha funny stuff