Here we go again !
Looks like you might get the knife wet mid week Ron if the charts stay true.I really hope it flies,flows and squirts all over the place for you and you bury the rail up to the nose - Just saying

Hey Roy...where in this whole thread did I say I was basing my design on the theory of compressing water..ie venturi principal...you are exactly right in stating it is an enclosed system....it is just like your garden hose...and I don't need you to tell me...so your reply was accurate to the last paragraph...I rode my knife this morning in very sub standard conditions...and for your information it performed very well thankyou....it is very stable and the lift from the blades lets me stand over the top of them enabling me to find the nice fall line of the wave and generate speed...and I'm thinking...more speed...so wipe that egg off your face mate...you are not the design guru you think you are.....oh.....I see your bottom turn....and raise you one




tides dropped and I'm off for test 2...trying bigger fin this time

I think it great to have two shapers sharing their skills and passion sweet bottom turn Ron

arkgee said..

Hey Roy...where in this whole thread did I say I was basing my design on the theory of compressing water..ie venturi principal

You didn't...and I didn't say that you had.


Read it again.

...you are exactly right in stating it is an enclosed system....it is just like your garden hose...and I don't need you to tell me...

The clarification was necessary since you posted that the Bonzer design is supposed to be a venturi but neglected to mention that it certainly isn't.

so your reply was accurate to the last paragraph...I rode my knife this morning in very sub standard conditions...and for your information it performed very well thankyou....it is very stable and the lift from the blades lets me stand over the top of them enabling me to find the nice fall line of the wave and generate speed...and I'm thinking...more speed...

I'm glad that you enjoyed the ride but suggesting that the design delivers more speed than a board without the runners inot only contradicts the laws of physics but also fails the proof test.

you are not the design guru you think you are

The statement above has no relevant content, were were talking about your design, remember?

.....oh.....I see your bottom turn....and raise you one

Cool.




tides dropped and I'm off for test 2...trying bigger fin this time

^^^^
You speak of physics a lot Roy. R u an engineer or scientist?

Don't get dragged into it Ron, we're watching and listening with genuine interest mate, keep it up.

Ricardo1709 said..
Like I said "here we go again" just can't help himself

Of course I can, but why should I?

I have an active mind and an interest in the subject.

RoyStuart said..
What you are seeing is a genuine interest in surfboard design... some of us just think about surfboard design more than others... but some seem to prefer a long stream of 'yes' men to people who make pertinent comments.

Obviously it can be tough to have one's creation publicly criticised, I know how it is to be on the receiving end too, but when all's said and done I prefer to have disagreement aired when it comes to my stuff, as long as it doesn't get abusive and personal.

But that's just me, I don't pretend to speak for Ron, who has already taken the personal comment route, indicating that he doesn't like to parley.

It's a public forum however and if the maker doesn't want to receive criticism as well as praise then he's kind of using the wrong format for publicity.

The runners will act as brakes, there's no way around it really, unless they are straightened out, and no ride report from the maker can change that.

I've read plenty of your posts about your designs and also read plenty of criticisms and can't recall you ever acting upon any of the suggestions or criticisms to change the design.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
If I am indeed correct how are you different from Ron but for a Y?

Cuttlefish said..



I've read plenty of your posts about your designs and also read plenty of criticisms and can't recall you ever acting upon any of the suggestions or criticisms to change the design.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
If I am indeed correct how are you different from Ron but for a Y?

Wrong thread, this is Ron's. Ask me on my thread.

Short answer: I welcome criticism, can't speak for Ron... but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with it.

Macaha said..

chrispy said..

Cuttlefish said..

RoyStuart said..
What you are seeing is a genuine interest in surfboard design... some of us just think about surfboard design more than others... but some seem to prefer a long stream of 'yes' men to people who make pertinent comments.

Obviously it can be tough to have one's creation publicly criticised, I know how it is to be on the receiving end too, but when all's said and done I prefer to have disagreement aired when it comes to my stuff, as long as it doesn't get abusive and personal.

But that's just me, I don't pretend to speak for Ron, who has already taken the personal comment route, indicating that he doesn't like to parley.

It's a public forum however and if the maker doesn't want to receive criticism as well as praise then he's kind of using the wrong format for publicity.

The runners will act as brakes, there's no way around it really, unless they are straightened out, and no ride report from the maker can change that.

I've read plenty of your posts about your designs and also read plenty of criticisms and can't recall you ever acting upon any of the suggestions or criticisms to change the design.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
If I am indeed correct how are you different from Ron but for a Y?

thats groovy !!!!

Some nice sticks there, I like the Summercloud one especially... the blades on the board above aren't hooked inwards are they? they look straighter.

Design is about innovation ..Why is a dimpled golf ball flying further than a smooth ball..I would think that dimples would slow it..but not the case.

By the way..It's Summercloud Roy

RoyStuart said..
Wrong thread, this is Ron's. Ask me on my thread.

Short answer: I welcome criticism, can't speak for Ron... but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with it.

I have been shaping since 1970 Roy...and have had an active mind when it comes to surf design....anyone who knows me knows I think outside the square....you talk down to people...you are telling me not asking me wether a design will work or not....I don't like it...and let me tell you now...my emotions are in check...you will know when they are not.... I can handle all the criticism you can dish out.... but you can carry on with all the laws of physics that you have learnt from books until the cows come home......my 45 years of shaping together with 54 years of surfing...2 Australian titles...numerous state titles and zone titles.....give me unassailable credentials as far as I am concerned. I have stayed out of your thread because I don't really agree with any of your designs, you are obviously dancing to the beat of a different drummer though, and I respect you for that so if you want to talk about surf design I'm all ears, but be careful of your delivery, in written word your coming across as a real prick. I am not too impressed with where this thread is heading and would kindly ask you give this some thought before you hit the post button...thank you.

arkgee said..

RoyStuart said..
Wrong thread, this is Ron's. Ask me on my thread.

Short answer: I welcome criticism, can't speak for Ron... but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with it.

I have been shaping since 1970 Roy...and have had an active mind when it comes to surf design....anyone who knows me knows I think outside the square....you talk down to people...you are telling me not asking me wether a design will work or not....I don't like it...and let me tell you now...my emotions are in check...you will know when they are not.... I can handle all the criticism you can dish out.... but you can carry on with all the laws of physics that you have learnt from books until the cows come home......my 45 years of shaping together with 54 years of surfing...2 Australian titles...numerous state titles and zone titles.....give me unassailable credentials as far as I am concerned. I have stayed out of your thread because I don't really agree with any of your designs, you are obviously dancing to the beat of a different drummer though, and I respect you for that so if you want to talk about surf design I'm all ears, but be careful of your delivery, in written word your coming across as a real prick. I am not too impressed with where this thread is heading and would kindly ask you give this some thought before you hit the post button...thank you.

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