tortise said...
It's a prank that surfaces from time to time , the viewer clicks on the link and sees there own profile , the long boarders do it to the newbies next door to stir things up a bit

Hey he is not a longboarder...geez he is a very pathetic shortboarder. Might not even be that,this being the internet and all. Yet I have seen a very bad poo stance pic before..

weiry said...

chrispy said...

tortise said...
It's a prank that surfaces from time to time , the viewer clicks on the link and sees there own profile , the long boarders do it to the newbies next door to stir things up a bit

Hey he is not a longboarder...geez he is a very pathetic shortboarder. Might not even be that,this being the internet and all. Yet I have seen a very bad poo stance pic before..

tortise NEVER confuse longboarders with short boarders and mini mal riders.
cheers

geeezus boys touchy touchy,I'd love to ride a longboard but I wouldn't fit into those sexy new outfits team mac and you boys wear

Maybe this article is not actually tongue in check after all

www.theinertia.com/surf/why-surfing-like-hockey-needs-fighting-the-case-for-fighting-in-surfing/

I disagree stu, completely. If someone was threatening me like he was?

one - I would hope to remain away from arms length
two - if he came in arms length I would hope to be as skilled enough to hold his head down for longer then twenty seconds

Why?

I have seen someones life change in an instant that allowed someone to come in arms length.

$100,000 surgery
loss of career
loss of balance

We can all do the maths.

You are correct magillamelb, but when your out there trying to get a few waves and theres a sup coming straight at your face its pretty hard to not be on edge, a little thinking goes a long way. When your on a SUP give all other surfers a wide berth, its just common sense guys, there is no need or exuse for a sup in a crowded line up its dangerous, sure there are some guys with the skills too pull it of, but there is a time and place for everything, a sup in the middle of a group of surfers is not the place, if you fall of your sup your likely to hurt a surfer its quite intimidating for the surfer especially if your a bit wobbly on your board. If there is no one out sweet, if there is walk down the beach a bit and get a spot to yourself, your still going to get your fill with out wrecking someone else's session. Its embarrassing watching the way some of the guys on sups are behaving lately. Stay out of crowded line up's on your sup, keep a bit of space between you and the surfers so if you fall of your not going to effect anyone else….Rant over…..

Hope everyone gets some waves next week with the swell this front is bringing , now play nice kids.

magillamelb said...
The same can be said for all surfers in a crowded environment. The type of board they use is irrelevant. What gives any person the right to say 'stay away' to another board rider at any beach?

You right! you can put anything in the water

Don't worry Aussies, same here

Im with Legion, a SUP is more of a hazard because your standing (continually relying on your balance, which is easily disrupted), so when you fall there is a lot more velocity behind the board when it shoots out from under your feet, usually attached with a 10ft leash so thats a big range to hit someone, not to mention the slight manouvarability disadvantage you have. Whilst other water users say body boards, kayaks, surfers are all sitting majority of the time so if they fall of there is a lot less potential to hurt someone and usually most surfers in the lineup don't have a problem with sitting on their boards as suppers do with staying standing on their boards. So if you give your self enough space from other people so you don't effect them when you fall of you will never have a problem, remember you are introducing the hazard. If you want respect in the water you have to give it, ^^ that attitude will probably cause someone to cop a SUP to the face I hope you have insurance buddy.

Once again surfers bag out Sups for being dangerous in the surf. Simply because they are big, not because of the ability of the user. A kook is a kook on any craft. What about for my local were they will try and say surfers shouldn't surf, because they say surfboards are dangerous and heavier than Body boards. So who is right? SO if a swimmer enters the water should boogy border get out, hence if a surfer is out and a booger enters should the surfer get out, long boarder give way to surfer and sup give way to everyone else Simply because of the potential danger of the craft

Sadly its the same argument right the way through. Surfers sit further out then the body boarders and we then have to weave through them so Legions argument as to who sits were in the line up is the same IMHO.

I don't want to get run over by anyone, i think everyone is in the same boat so i say just get along. If someone is doing the wrong thing, tell them early don't wait until someone gets hurt or held under water

For god sake just communicate and tolerate..

If you think all craft are the same, you're crazy. Would you rather be hit by a surf ski or a racing sup or a booger? Would you be more likely to be hit by a 6' shortboard with a 6' leash or a 9' sup with a 12' leash? Risk is often modelled as a likelihood/consequence matrix. Unfortunately for sup, it falls in the highest corner of the risk matrix. A beginner booger or a swimmer wallowing on the inside falls in the lowest corner of the matrix.

bjshack, sup are dangerous simply because they are big, not because of the ability of the user. E.g. the other day a guy paddled out on a mal. He was sitting inside me. A peak came and I paddled for it. It was shifty so I changed direction on the fly to get the little wind wave entry. The guy on the mal scrambled to not get caught and came directly towards me and we did the "two people in the hallway thing", left, right and I had to stop paddling for it or I'd run straight into him. Have you seen how unmanoeuvrable a giant sup is once they're committed to a wave? If I had been on one there's no way I could have done the last minute pull out. The first time I came across them in the surf (unskilled riders) I was surprised what sort of turning circle they need and how early they have to commit and once they're committed it's hard to pull out. How is that the same as a booger? When I bodysurf, I can pull out within a metre turning circle. I can crash duck dive in half a second. All surf craft are the same?

A big problem is the demographics and ability level. It's a common comment on here that people get into sup because they were injured or old or unfit or whatever. It's also a common comment (and situation) that sup riders have no water background and yet within weeks they're paddling out the back of crowded breaks. I know four people well who sup.

Lots of guys on here aren't a problem. But it seems the majority in the water around here outnumber those guys. You wouldn't catch me dead out at Isos on a busy day. That place is a nightmare of kooks on longboards and sups. There it's both the craft and the riders.

buccaneer said...
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Legion (the infectious pustule type)

Do you go to bjshack's school of spelling?

buccaneer said...
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Why don't you lot just stay on the couch?
Little chance of running into anything ...

Actually, I almost never come across sup so this topic is mostly a non-issue for me personally. And I'd reckon I get more water time than most amateurs. E.g. didn't come across any sup for three hours this morning. Nor two hours this afternoon. Looks like I'll have one day off this coming week but I'll bet I don't come across any on any of the surf days either.

That's what this thread is discussing - being run into. I won't run into you, I've never hit anyone. But I won't be surprised when a sup rider hits me.

As to the rest of your post, I don't really understand most of it. Have you had a couple of drinks maybe?

I love the petty hate of the sup forum.

Legion said...
That's what this thread is discussing - being run into. I won't run into you, I've never hit anyone. But I won't be surprised when a sup rider hits me.

As to the rest of your post, I don't really understand most of it. Have you had a couple of drinks maybe?

I love the petty hate of the sup forum.

But the thread started about a surfer who thought he owned the waves. He believed he had more rights to the surf then the Supper..

I dont disagree that sups are big and can be dangerous in the surf, but my point is why should one sport get more credence than the other? If your argument is that a SUP is too dangerous then the same must be said of any hard surfboard

I went for a surf earlier this year and took a mate who SUPS. He chose to come out on a surfboard but eventually i talked him into getting his sup. In a crowded line up, he was much safer IMHO than he was on his surfboard. He caught heaps of waves and was well received by all because they could see he had it well under control..

I just think some people, it makes no difference what craft they ride, think they are the answer to everything and really IMHO have no idea what the surf stoke really is about. They may rip more than anyone else in the line up, but they still don't get it

bjshack said...
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I dont disagree that sups are big and can be dangerous in the surf, but my point is why should one sport get more credence than the other? If your argument is that a SUP is too dangerous then the same must be said of any hard surfboard

One doesn't get more credence than the other. If a learner paddles out and sits out beyond a pack and takes off and bails or careers through a pack out of control or can't duckdive and bails his board, he will get spoken to at a well managed break. A couple or a few times I year I find myself telling learners that if they bail they don't belong where they are. It's rare you should ever have to bail in Perth. But learners on surfboards or boogers typically don't do that (not outside a pack anyway, maybe learners in close). OTOH learners on sup do.

Personally, I'm a kook but I manage most takeoffs I attempt. If I bail like a kook I self-regulate for a while and go several rungs down the ladder until I feel I've earned my place again (wherever that may be).

These topics are ridiculous because I 99% know my place in any lineup and so do any of the guys in this forum with any water background. So when arguments spring up, they're typically arguing with people without a clue.

Shortboards are also dangerous, yes. Historically, that's why they are banned at several swimming beaches for part of the year. But the nature of how they are used makes them less of a threat at a surfing break, typically.

Oh get over it boys,get on a longboard we have the best of both worlds

teatrea said...
Its only a wave , their is another one right behind it

which ones better