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Scotty88
Scotty88
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19 Jun 2012 5:11pm
doggie said...

Scotty88 said...

doggie said...

So in a flat water race, if a competitor picks up a bit of wind chop and rides it for lets say 10-15m is that cheating? He is getting an adavntage over the others by beeing in the right place at the right time. The same could be said for drafting.

Lets say DJ gets drafted by Gorgo. Gorgo gets past but then DJ has the advantage. Then DJ rather than passing Gorgo he sits behind him until 20-30m before the finish and then drafts Gorgo for the win.

Is that cheating? Imo it isnt and drafting has been in motorsports for ever and is seen as good race tactics.

My 2c


Are you getting the Sup bug doggie ? Good to see you taking an interest. Come on doggie, don't worry what your sb mates will say. I reckon a pic of you on a Sup would be priceless.


Na mate I just think the rules as far as this goes is gay. If someone is smart enough to draft at the right point in a race regardless of class should win.
They have been doing it in car racing for as long as Ive been interested in it.

Just for you Scotty, Ments 09




Priceless doggie. This drafting/ride on somebodys wash rule is a wank . Just glad I'm a Neville with zero ability and just love cruising. I'll leave this topic for the purists for the next 5 pages. A lot of very grumpy men and women around here lately. Now back to the green room I go.
What Sup are you on doggie ? Looks like an Ebay special - $699 with paddle,leash, cover & kitchen sink.
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
2098 posts
VIC, 2098 posts
19 Jun 2012 7:35pm
Scotty88 said...



Just for you Scotty, Ments 09



What Sup are you on doggie ? Looks like an Ebay special - $699 with paddle,leash, cover & kitchen sink.


Is that paddle the right way around?
angie pangi
angie pangi
QLD
1782 posts
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19 Jun 2012 7:49pm
Al Hunter said...

angie pangi said...

Ali Cat said...

I think it really depends on the race rules - if they say were not allowed to draft the guys then don't do it!!!

but when I turned at the halfway point and headed back, there were men sitting on the wash of some of the other girls - so it's not just the girls getting an advantage all the time!


I think you are referring to the guys sitting on my wash ali? Yes i agree if a rule has been set by WPA then everyone should adhear to it.

It's a very tricky subject but rules are rules.

In the flat water section of the recent QLD Titles i had men on my wash for atleast 6km's and not once did they try and get past me (not gonna name names), so instead i put in some more effort and pulled away towards to the end. I believe it's just part of our racing sport, i think just deal with.

Not once did i turn around and tell them to get off my wash, i couldn't care less if they sit behind. I take it as a compliment if a male paddler wants to wash ride me, its no biggy.


XX Angie



I can't remember men as a plural riding Angie's wash because I was the only one.
We come in at the alley I am behind Angie, I catch a wave she doesn't...
So we start to paddle the flat water section and I am let's say 100/150 mtr in front.
She comes back to me in around 2km and I was pretty impressed! Ali was in front of me and I was not losing on her.
So I get behind Angie and very soon I realise than I am not in a fantastic day so I stay in her wash for much longer than I would have thought. But if she made 150 mtr back that quickly on me, one could have guessed than it wouldn't be any good for her to stay behind me.
1 km before the bridge I tried to go on the side and we stayed side by side for some time and obviously I would not bring her any help in front as I can't pass her. So we arrive at the bridge, and after the turn she pulls away.
If I need to apologise let me know.
I am not even a surfing queensland member because I live in NSW so doing the long course was not bringing me anything as I could not qualify anyway. I just did the long course for training purpose.
Maybe I should have looked for glory in the over 40 unlimited short course instead....
Angie on the other hand was trying to win her class for the QLD title so it was a bit different for her as she had no choice but to push hard if she wanted to get Ali.
But if I had been able to that day, I would have taken my turns in front.
Some days you can some days you can't.
I was really impressed with her paddling that day but I would have never thought that me being behind her could have been an issue for anybody.....
Maybe that's why I definitely prefer downwinding.



Hey al, no stress mate, it's all good. I was just using that situation to state a point. The whole washing riding thing really doesn't phase me at all it's just part of our sport.
See ya on the water. X
Piros
Piros
QLD
7296 posts
QLD, 7296 posts
19 Jun 2012 7:59pm
Angie said: Not once did i turn around and tell them to get off my wash, i couldn't care less if they sit behind. I take it as a compliment if a male paddler wants to wash ride me, its no biggy.

Way to go Angie....
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
19 Jun 2012 8:23pm
HumanCartoon said...

ShireSUP said...



Angie, doesnt it mean if they are sitting behind you, you are doing more work.



Not really, Angie's doing as much work as she would otherwise be, the fact that she's being drafted doesn't make any material, physical difference to her (but it might piss her off enough to make her work harder, I don't know Angie's temperament to comment on that ). The one drafting is doing a little bit less work to achieve the same speed (assuming he/she is doing it right). Slightly different thing.

ShireSUP said...





the crew we train with are not sure whether you are dragging some one behind you or not. some times you know straight away some one is wash riding- it suddenly seems a lot harder to paddle. other times it's no worries. the jury is out on this one
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
19 Jun 2012 6:28pm
What about blocking someones line,will this come up
BulldogPup
BulldogPup
6657 posts
6657 posts
19 Jun 2012 6:58pm
oh ho ho ha this is a priceless threadthanks to the original poster very much indeed
weiry
weiry
QLD
5396 posts
QLD, 5396 posts
19 Jun 2012 9:30pm
Truly what a bunch of soft C###S sounding more like NRL and GAYFL
BulldogPup
BulldogPup
6657 posts
6657 posts
19 Jun 2012 7:43pm
go hard
PeterP
PeterP
873 posts
873 posts
19 Jun 2012 8:02pm
If a female wants to draft a male rider then what is stopping any other female from joining the train? What I have learnt is to suss out who you have to stay with and who you can't afford not to sit with....the ladies just have to stick with the ones that pose a threat and if they are drafting a male, so be it.

Stupid rule - just like the 12'6 class.....
camo hosk
camo hosk
VIC
613 posts
VIC, 613 posts
19 Jun 2012 10:54pm
We could all hire our very own paddle caddy for each race, someone that can paddle an 18ft board that leaves a good wake and maintains a pace just in front until the last 20mtrs when you slipstream across the finish line.
Ali Cat
Ali Cat
QLD
1205 posts
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19 Jun 2012 10:58pm
angie pangi said...
Hey al, no stress mate, it's all good. I was just using that situation to state a point. The whole washing riding thing really doesn't phase me at all it's just part of our sport.
See ya on the water. X


Ditto... sorry Al didn't mean to single you out, just using an example that it's not always the girls who are getting an advantage off the guys. There was no rule against it in that race and I've got no problems with it, just another skill that's part of racing. If it had been the other way round and Angie had been drafting any one of the guys it probably would just have made me push harder to try to stay in front.
Ali Cat
Ali Cat
QLD
1205 posts
QLD, 1205 posts
19 Jun 2012 11:01pm
camo hosk said...

We could all hire our very own paddle caddy for each race, someone that can paddle an 18ft board that leaves a good wake and maintains a pace just in front until the last 20mtrs when you slipstream across the finish line.


Don't worry about the 18ft board to wash ride, I'm getting myself an escort boat, lol.
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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20 Jun 2012 12:26am
Ali Cat said...

camo hosk said...

We could all hire our very own paddle caddy for each race, someone that can paddle an 18ft board that leaves a good wake and maintains a pace just in front until the last 20mtrs when you slipstream across the finish line.


Don't worry about the 18ft board to wash ride, I'm getting myself an escort boat, lol.


did someone call the doctor
TomW059
TomW059
183 posts
183 posts
20 Jun 2012 5:54am
quite interesting to read about this. I think you should all study cycling and cross country skiing closely. these sports have gone thru this already.
in road/open races : no rules. drafting allowed, team work allowed, blocking allowed, bumping allowed in sprints. makes for good sport and excitement.
individual time trials: no drafting, the clock rules. contre le montre.

doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
20 Jun 2012 8:32am
Scotty88 said...

doggie said...

Scotty88 said...

doggie said...

So in a flat water race, if a competitor picks up a bit of wind chop and rides it for lets say 10-15m is that cheating? He is getting an adavntage over the others by beeing in the right place at the right time. The same could be said for drafting.

Lets say DJ gets drafted by Gorgo. Gorgo gets past but then DJ has the advantage. Then DJ rather than passing Gorgo he sits behind him until 20-30m before the finish and then drafts Gorgo for the win.

Is that cheating? Imo it isnt and drafting has been in motorsports for ever and is seen as good race tactics.

My 2c


Are you getting the Sup bug doggie ? Good to see you taking an interest. Come on doggie, don't worry what your sb mates will say. I reckon a pic of you on a Sup would be priceless.


Na mate I just think the rules as far as this goes is gay. If someone is smart enough to draft at the right point in a race regardless of class should win.
They have been doing it in car racing for as long as Ive been interested in it.

Just for you Scotty, Ments 09




Priceless doggie. This drafting/ride on somebodys wash rule is a wank . Just glad I'm a Neville with zero ability and just love cruising. I'll leave this topic for the purists for the next 5 pages. A lot of very grumpy men and women around here lately. Now back to the green room I go.
What Sup are you on doggie ? Looks like an Ebay special - $699 with paddle,leash, cover & kitchen sink.


Yea it was one of the boards you could use at the camp, ali paddle etc. Was fun for ten mins
E T
E T
QLD
2286 posts
E T E T
QLD, 2286 posts
20 Jun 2012 12:21pm
Oh what you miss when you are up at the mines for a few days.
DOGGIE ON A SUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
20 Jun 2012 11:12am
E T said...

Oh what you miss when you are up at the mines for a few days.
DOGGIE ON A SUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That was in 09 old mate
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