Jim Terrell on Race Sup Design

> 10 years ago
Reply
Register to post, see what you've read, and subscribe to topics.
Flaker
Flaker
NSW
122 posts
NSW, 122 posts
4 Jun 2013 4:44pm
I like it.........

Because it is metric!
nosaj27
nosaj27
QLD
271 posts
QLD, 271 posts
4 Jun 2013 5:46pm
SupaTrooper said..

It would be folly not to seriously consider the advice of a person with so much experience in this type of sporting field, as Spock would say "his logic is sound". I agree with Jim whole heartily and I speak as someone who has spent too much money on boards as the quiver stands at about 8 boards at the moment with 2 of these being carbon starboards 12'6 & a 14' with recessed decks which are great to paddle but I think a international standard of 4 meters for bop etc will really enable the sport to continue to thrive as the sport will then rely heavily on a persons commitment to training, attending local club comps etc which will in turn strengthen the sport as a whole. National or international sport strength begins with attendance at the club level and gaining local participation which flows onto higher comps. I would hate to see a sport where a person wins races simply on the basis of forking out large money for a crazy thin board and this would be off putting to new comers. A sport only thrives on the continuing influx of new comers particularly those in their teens who stay with sport through later in life. We are already at the point where there are very few parents that would fork out the kind of dollars that a current competitive race board costs now a on a kid. Perhaps pressure should start at the local level to convince the various national or international governing bodies around the world to seriously look at a game plan for the sport to ensure its continuing success. I speak as someone that will never be in top numbers in any comp but as a bloke that just likes to get out and have a bash/ paddle both individually for fitness & local comps for the fun of the sport, and I am probably the most common type supper around as with a large percentage of others I will never be making the world tour due to age, work commitments and love of pizza with beer.


As an ageing fat bastard that also has a love for beer and pizza, I want to be at least a little bit competitive in any local races that I wish to enter and that is never going to happen if others are paddling toothpicks.
SupaTrooper
SupaTrooper
QLD
243 posts
QLD, 243 posts
4 Jun 2013 5:59pm
Spock says "live long and prosper.....with a 4 meter board"

Yoda agrees "4 meter board you must use young Jedi with a quickblade light sabre"
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
4 Jun 2013 7:01pm
the future and the best way to go imo- 14' which is just simply the best all round board- full stop.

all 12'6 boards to eventually be inflatable only.


and maybe min weight.

everything else goes except multi hulls


if you can paddle a half piece of 100mm round down pipe go for it
OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
4 Jun 2013 7:21pm
laceys lane said..

the future and the best way to go imo- 14' which is just simply the best all round board- full stop.

all 12'6 boards to eventually be inflatable only.


and maybe min weight.

everything else goes except multi hulls


if you can paddle a half piece of 100mm round down pipe go for it




With you lacey with one exception unlimited (14 - whatever) with rudder for open ocean racing eg Molakia.

Phill
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
4 Jun 2013 7:39pm
OG SUP said..

laceys lane said..

the future and the best way to go imo- 14' which is just simply the best all round board- full stop.

all 12'6 boards to eventually be inflatable only.


and maybe min weight.

everything else goes except multi hulls


if you can paddle a half piece of 100mm round down pipe go for it




With you lacey with one exception unlimited (14 - whatever) with rudder for open ocean racing eg Molakia.

Phill



wasn't thinking hawaii
Zeusman
Zeusman
QLD
1363 posts
QLD, 1363 posts
4 Jun 2013 7:58pm
PTWoody said..

So if I understand correctly, 14' is totally inappropriate as the compromise because you can't get it on a plane (even though some seem to have managed that) and you can't race through the surf (even though some seem to be able to do this comfortably).

You can take any size board on a plane. Just need to send them as freight, not checked luggage.

laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
4 Jun 2013 8:15pm
i've always though the argument of 14' is to hard compared to 12'6 travel wise was suss.

yet most of 'them' or maybe just jacko are opposed to bop inflatable when you would think the 'hardships' they go through to travel overseas to paddle in races, a board in a backpack would be a god sent.

paul.j
paul.j
QLD
3378 posts
QLD, 3378 posts
4 Jun 2013 8:34pm
Zeusman said...
PTWoody said..

So if I understand correctly, 14' is totally inappropriate as the compromise because you can't get it on a plane (even though some seem to have managed that) and you can't race through the surf (even though some seem to be able to do this comfortably).

You can take any size board on a plane. Just need to send them as freight, not checked luggage.




If plane does take boards most have max of3.8m and some times you can sneak longer ones in but it won't be long before that gets knocked on the head and then what?
paul.j
paul.j
QLD
3378 posts
QLD, 3378 posts
4 Jun 2013 8:38pm
laceys lane said...
i've always though the argument of 14' is to hard compared to 12'6 travel wise was suss.

yet most of 'them' or maybe just jacko are opposed to bop inflatable when you would think the 'hardships' they go through to travel overseas to paddle in races, a board in a backpack would be a god sent.




Racing inflatable boards is fun but I struggle to see any one take our sport series if that's where it goes! Hey maybe I'm wrong but let's just wait and see.

I have tested pretty much every inflatable on the marketable are good and some are not but if you want one lacey hit me up and I'll sell you the best one one the market.
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
4 Jun 2013 8:41pm
paul.j said..

laceys lane said...
i've always though the argument of 14' is to hard compared to 12'6 travel wise was suss.

yet most of 'them' or maybe just jacko are opposed to bop inflatable when you would think the 'hardships' they go through to travel overseas to paddle in races, a board in a backpack would be a god sent.




Racing inflatable boards is fun but I struggle to see any one take our sport series if that's where it goes! Hey maybe I'm wrong but let's just wait and see.

I have tested pretty much every inflatable on the marketable are good and some are not but if you want one lacey hit me up and I'll sell you the best one one the market.



which is


i really am thinking about it

one 12'6 - inflate


ps i can see paddlers travelling with a 'real' 14'er and a 'back pack 12'6'
paul.j
paul.j
QLD
3378 posts
QLD, 3378 posts
4 Jun 2013 8:45pm
Would 13, 1 really be any different to a 12'6? Maybe board volumes have just as much to play in all this? Chase did pretty good for a big guy in the France race on the new fanatic which has more volume and this was against some of the best guys in the world.

Deano72
Deano72
NSW
540 posts
NSW, 540 posts
6 Jun 2013 10:13am



I wonder which class this blokes 'stick' fits into
viatormundi
viatormundi
92 posts
92 posts
7 Jun 2013 6:32am
I totally agree.

AA said..

Jim makes some very good points. The fact that he comes from a canoeing background and doesn't want the sport to go that way holds a lot of weight for me. The appeal of SUP for most people getting into it (from what I see) is that it is 'like' surfing, not that it is 'like' sitting or kneeling in a canoe/kayak.

I agree with everything Jim has to say regarding limiting dimensions and weight. I just don't agree with bringing in a third board length.
It is not so much about us, the people in the sport now (our current boards will suffer from natural attrition anyway), it is more about those looking at coming into it. Introducing a third board length just sends a message that the sport is fragmented and disorganised, at a critical time in its development.

Keep the 14' class (with dimension and weight restrictions that Jim speaks about) and turn it into, as suggested, an 'up to 14' class' for a few years, so that those of us who have 12'6's are still included. This will sort it self out over time and in 2-3 years most people will be on 14'.

Keep the the 12'6 class but turn it into an inflatable one design class. Include hard boards over the next few years but faze them out over the next few years.

An inflatable One design class has huge potential as the entry point for flat water racing and BOP.
It will be by far the biggest class and allow people to get into racing that is fun and affordable.
It knocks out the arms race and focusses on the most important performance trait - rider skill.

When you travel to races, you only need one board - 14' and if you want - an inflatable - easy.


skebstebamal
skebstebamal
QLD
579 posts
QLD, 579 posts
7 Jun 2013 2:10pm
I think a 4m class for elite racing, and unlimited.

I think the weight and width restrictions is a great idea. you can still mess around with rockers etc to suit riders and conditions. bit like clubby ski racing. . .

unlimited will be the open ocean class with kick tillers etc
Please Register, or first...
Topics Subscribe Reply

Return To Classic site 😭
Or... let us know if a problem, so we can tweak! 😅