Ha ha Piros .. That would be great Lockie.. I am busy trying to get the back yard ready at present for some "Better Grass" and have limited leave passes at present. Yeah..the patent process is underway of course just like my other good ideas.. Will be keen in the future to catch up and try one out. It looks like fun.

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Thanks porchey. Question, can these be demoed in NSW?

porchey73 said..




My new box has arrived and will be be ridden as soon as I get deck grip.

Just wondering what the dimensions etc are on these boards in the photos,
Jarryd

It would be interesting to see how this board performs in more aggressive conditions. Lets be honest and this is not to detract against what may have already been said in terms of positives but these really are tame and very friendly to the rider. Throw a bit of chop into the mix and I think it would be a better assessment. I did notice that there appeared to be water going over the deck so I wonder how much drag there is. In saying that it does not appear to be hamstrung by this and just takes off. This and the Minion seem to be getting a lot of interest and its easy to see why.

Ozzie

My board is the blue and green 100 Litres 7'3"!

Not a SUP but from the looks of these photo's the design is valid in heavy waves

I'm looking this zoom from picture's TUX and i 'm thinking this kind of square nose provide a rail extension very useful in barrel ride, and more on backside attack
And finally that kind of nose got more advantage than only paddling.

laceys lane said..

goatman said..
Loving the Tomo inspired SUPS, I have a couple of his Firewire shortys and am absolutely stoked on them. They work well in bigger waves as well!

Here is a good article which explains the design concept and to me, explains also why they would work well when translated to a SUP.

www.surfersjournal.com/feature/daniel-thomson-and-the-speed-of-phi/

Only comment I would make is to give the 'V' bottoms the flick as it defeats the purpose of the design.

goatie, i a new nano shortboard- so impressed with it- fastest, livily board i've ever been on. have you tried one of these?

Hey Lacey, yeah I have a Vanguard and loved it so much I got a Nano as well! Insane board if there is the slightest bit of push in the wave. I use it at the Point all the time, great for gnarly takeoffs as is the Vanguard.

goatman said..
Loving the Tomo inspired SUPS, I have a couple of his Firewire shortys and am absolutely stoked on them. They work well in bigger waves as well!

Here is a good article which explains the design concept and to me, explains also why they would work well when translated to a SUP.

www.surfersjournal.com/feature/daniel-thomson-and-the-speed-of-phi/

Only comment I would make is to give the 'V' bottoms the flick as it defeats the purpose of the design.

Why do you say the vee defeats the purpose of the design, goatman?

Sorry wasn't really clear on the vee bit on the bottom... There is a concave in the middle just like the original vanguard tomo boards however Aaron has introduced a vee in the middle as well.. This was to stop dish panning which seemed to be happening in previous versions of this design.. As discussed previously this is the third version The fourth is out now and works better than the orange board seen in this video.

colas said..

ghost4man said..
It would be interesting to see how this board performs in more aggressive conditions.

What I found is that in chop, two factors can help:

- a shape that do not change behavior a lot while rocked 'n rolled. "Wide everywhere" for me have this effect, whereas "pumpkin seeds" shapes tend to throw you around more. These Simmons / wombat shapes (and I guess Tomo / Minion) are noticeably stabler in a minefield

- low volume relative to the width. On small boards, I found out I fall often when the board is "too quick" to correct balance. I mean, when it dips right, you correct it and are thrown overboard left as it rigthens too quickly. It seems to happen to me more on "corky" boards, reducing the volume to make it sit more in the water seems to dampen the reactions and make it more controllable, although more tiring as you must react quicker overall.
Basically, it seems to me that reducing volume makes narrower boards more unstable and tiring in chop, but you actually fall less while focused.

Coles, you make some interesting points here. I relate this back to an experience I had the summer that went by. A friend of mine was in the water on his brand new Fanatic Allwave 9'6" which I am guessing was about 140 litres. There was quite a bit of chop and he really wanted to have a go of my 101 litre JP Pro 8'2x28. At 98kg the board just sank under his feet but in the meantime I jumped on his board. Now I had zero issues in standing up but the board quite literally kept throwing me off with the water movement. It was just way too corky for me and with my 73kg I had little capacity to weigh the board down in the water which confirms what you said in your commentary. We swapped boards and once I got back on mine I the board sat more in the water with a lot less corkiness.
I am noticing more and more Colas that people are focusing on volume by itself. I am thinking more and more that this is missing the bigger picture and what we should be looking at is volume distribution and design. Volume as a figure by itself in the absence of anything else is not meaningful. What we are seeing with these smaller boards is the distribution of volume contained by a specific shape which is resulting in someppretty amazing outcomes. Obviously these Minion and Vanguard boards are creating some real buzz and just seeing guys over 90kg riding boards 7 foot and under with little more than 100 litres is truly remarkable. As I said I think the real test will be how these board perform in more aggressive conditions.
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Just came back from the Mentawais......I'm 87kg's & I rode a 5'8" Firewire Vanguard consistently in solid 6-10' conditions when most guys in the line up were riding 6'10"-7'6"...it never missed a beat.
Definitely felt the advantages of the nose holding a rail when dragging backside into barrels.
Would love to try the design on a SUP, I reckon you could go at least a foot (maybe 2ft) shorter than your shortest surfing SUP ?

AmundAqua said..
Just came back from the Mentawais......I'm 87kg's & I rode a 5'8" Firewire Vanguard consistently in solid 6-10' conditions when most guys in the line up were riding 6'10"-7'6"...it never missed a beat.
Definitely felt the advantages of the nose holding a rail when dragging backside into barrels.
Would love to try the design on a SUP, I reckon you could go at least a foot (maybe 2ft) shorter than your shortest surfing SUP ?

You convince me , it's going to be my ShortSUP all-around good wave. Thank you for reported it