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dtm
dtm
NSW
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dtm dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
29 Mar 2011 10:23pm
goatman said...

Backhand on SUP would benefit from an Assym design I reckon - shorter toe side rail that is


haha just cause you only surf rights and never go lefts i personaly love my back hand but then thats likely as im always surfing rights with you and casso the advantage of the goofy footer

hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
29 Mar 2011 10:42pm
dtm said...

goatman said...

Backhand on SUP would benefit from an Assym design I reckon - shorter toe side rail that is


haha just cause you only surf rights and never go lefts i personaly love my back hand but then thats likely as im always surfing rights with you and casso the advantage of the goofy footer



Same in WA you can only go left so as a natural foot my backhand is real strong :-)

AA
AA
NSW
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AA AA
NSW, 2167 posts
30 Mar 2011 2:33am
For me backhand is harder than forehand, especially on an SUP with the wider tail.
Sure it is easier to apply pressure on my back hand, but it is harder to find the sweet spot and control the pressure.

On my forehand I have the advantage of the feel of my toes (to find the rail roll over), I am facing the wave which helps with body positioning. I also get the use of an extra joint- my ankle, which I feel gives me more control of the power.

My understanding of Assym snowboards was that they were all about centering your toes and heels on the carving arc. As your feet are generally off set (angled) on a snowboard for carving they offset the carving arcs to match the offset of your feet.

Same again though - it is easier to apply pressure on your heels ( and thus stop quickly) but harder to control that pressure. This is why you are more likely to lose it at speed on your heelside than your toeside on a snowboard.
I believe most people need a hand on their backhand or heels side for turning. Beginner snowboarders prefer heel-side because they are facing down the hill and pressure is easily applied to the rail with less cramping. Anyone who has traversed toe side for long distanced knows all about this - you use more muscles, but they also give you more control.

I also think advanced riders who get out there a few times a week have different needs to weekend warriors who get a surf in once a week, if they are lucky.
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B Chambers
B Chambers
114 posts
114 posts
30 Mar 2011 1:39am
Howzit guys,
Love the opinions on both sides... Don't have time this AM to post pics and detail stuff but I will comment.

surf4fun shows a nice example of what we are dealing with here... We are not riding narrow shortboards which you do not need help from any asymmetrical type tail and to be honest, I tried some on shortboards a few years ago and I felt it worked some but nothing spectacular at all. It also came around the time I switched all the way over to sup surfing...

Something a lot of people don't know is this. I surf A LOT. I love to surf. I dream of surf. I'm frothing to surf! I got surf fever bad... If I wasn't allowed to surf I'd probably lose interest in this whole sup thing. Haha! Even though I'm getting older now and I definitely am feeling it, I want to surf way better on a sup board. I can shape and test ANYTHING I want. We test boards all the time. I can ride whatever I want. Think about this... If your whole goal was to surf better and you could shape whatever you wanted... Why would you go backwards? Asym tails are really hard to sell if that was the goal... It's a confusing thing for most and I do not see it being a part of our line in a big way ever... For money? Haha! Nope...

Waves are to precious to me to waste trying to force something to work. If it don't work, I'm not riding it. Simple as that. All my personal sup boards have asymmetrical tails now because the benefit is significant. Others are getting on them and they are stoked too. I'll share more on this later... I'm not going to get into a debate if asym can or cannot work on sup boards because they already are working insane for us everyday. You are seeing it now but we been testing and riding them for months... Backside and frontside. BTW, you can't just cut a Asym tail on any board and expect it to go off... Blending with different rockers etc very important! It's not just the tail...

Tom's board in the pic is a one of a kind. His asymmetrical tail is only one thing of what's going on... The bottom is pretty wild and we both want to see what it's going to do... Chances are we're gonna adjust little things but who knows, it could be a mental one as is... The thing with Tom that I really like is he understands that design on sup boards needs to change from what once was to really take us all to the next level... His mind is all about surfing better too. He already knows and felt the future of where we're going...

Anyway, I'm jammin down to the beach then back up to my room. Got a stack of race board blanks to finish right away.... Have fun in the mean time guys... Surf your brains out!!!
jedijunglsno
jedijunglsno
NSW
231 posts
NSW, 231 posts
30 Mar 2011 9:55am
surf4fun said...

jedijunglsno said...

As far as the snowboarding analogy, Goaty is right about weighting your heels being easier. This is why beginner snowboarders will slide slip on their heel edge, fall on their bum, and why you stop a snowboard on your heel edge.


It is not necesarily easier but the fact that you can apply more pressure, meaning you can stop in a shorter period makes it safer.

Ahh...so you agree then.

jedijunglsno said...
When learning to snowboard, learning to turn toe side is much harder as you need to unweight your heels and throw your weight onto your toe edge and down the fall line at the same time, with nothing to support you. This is pretty hard for a beginner and why you see them trying to do this, then pulling back onto their back foot, doing a quarter of a toe side turn and a little wheelie, then going back onto their heels and eventually falling onto their bum ( if they're lucky!).


More often than not when they pull a wheelie it is when they are trying to initiate the turn back onto their heels. Or they will over compensate and end up turning up the hill on their toe side and riding back down switch, again on their toe side.


Actually more often than not this happens when they don't commit to weighting the front foot through the toe and down the fall line. Lack of confidence sees them weight the back foot. Initiating a toe side turn back to a heel side one is one the easiest things to do on a snowboard.

But as I said this wasn't adding too much to the debate on asyms anyways, just that CMC and Goaty got me thinking about it ( sorry to hijack Blane's reply too!)
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