the slip of the plane, opps oh well ..its a assa

hilly said...

. Even windsurfers who do usually only go left in WA gave up on them.

Only after they stopped being the new best thing from Hawaii, and can anyone remember what followed? yep you guessed it the golf ball dimples.

I reckon the design could be beneficial to SUP what with the awkwardness of surfing backhand and the relatively large area tails we have to work with.

I have an assym carving snowboard which is brilliant, makes toe side turns a lot easier - would do the same for a SUP I would imagine.

DavidJohn said...

I think it's not so much about going left or right like in the windsurfing days but more about regular or goofy stance.

I think Angulo were the only ones doing the golf ball dimple bottoms and they did seem to work but so hard to make.. Especially for the glassers and sanders.

DJ

The assy design is about the longer straighter rail being on the bottom turn side and the curvier rail on the cutback side. Either forehand or backhand. This gives you projection down the line and shorter snaps off the top.

It is easier to bottom turn backside than forehand as you can load up your heels by moving your bum back. Your knees bend to move your centre of balance off the board.

http://www2.swaylocks.com/node/1027175

Good thread with Blane on it (CarveNalu) 2008

Nice looking board AA still reckon it would go better right than left

What is hard to see on that board with the black TC spray down the left rail is whether the outline is different on either rail or just the tail. What I mean is how far up the board does the assymetry start?

As a natural footer growing up on the Gold Coast my backhand is far weaker. This outline looks like it would work in that situation as well. Longer rail line (like a swallow tail) on forehand bottom turns (longer reach) and more curved (round tail) on your backhand or turning off the top or in cut backs.

AA do you know if the tail is the only assymetric part of this board.

This raises all sorts of interesting issues and possibilities.

Building boards for specific waves and directions has some appeal.

Building boards to compensate for the riders strengths and weaknesses also appeals.

I am way stronger on my forehand than back hand. My toeside carves are much better than heel side on both kiteboards and surfboards and SUP.

It is way easier for me to control weight shift bending forward and to recover from an error by bending my knees and waist.

I am not sure I like the idea of building a board specifically to cater for the flaws in my heelside technique. It might be a good idea. Instinctively it sounds dodgey.

hilly said...

Love the debate CMC and goatie are on different tacks

I think I would prefer longer rail bottom turn only; would feel weird in top turns IMO

Ha ha, yeah I didn't think anyone noticed.

Am I on my own here thinking it's easier to weight your heels than your toes?

That is why you have the 'shorter' rail line on your toe side so that top turns on backhand are easier.

Check Tom's board in the pic, the shorter rail is on his Toe side (he is a goofy footer).

goatman said...

hilly said...

Love the debate CMC and goatie are on different tacks

I think I would prefer longer rail bottom turn only; would feel weird in top turns IMO

Ha ha, yeah I didn't think anyone noticed.

Am I on my own here thinking it's easier to weight your heels than your toes?

That is why you have the 'shorter' rail line on your toe side so that top turns on backhand are easier.

Check Tom's board in the pic, the shorter rail is on his Toe side (he is a goofy footer).

No debate, just thinking selfishly of how a design like this may work. As I said before I definitely find it easier to weight my toes than heels. Goaty and I are both Naturals so we would probably find the opposite things worked for either of us.

The last left I rode was quite possibly in Bali, around here even our beachies are rights most of the time.

As far as the snowboarding analogy, Goaty is right about weighting your heels being easier. This is why beginner snowboarders will slide slip on their heel edge, fall on their bum, and why you stop a snowboard on your heel edge.

When learning to snowboard, learning to turn toe side is much harder as you need to unweight your heels and throw your weight onto your toe edge and down the fall line at the same time, with nothing to support you. This is pretty hard for a beginner and why you see them trying to do this, then pulling back onto their back foot, doing a quarter of a toe side turn and a little wheelie, then going back onto their heels and eventually falling onto their bum ( if they're lucky!).

Probably a major difference for snow vs surf though is that snowboarding is weighted more to the front foot than surfing, and also when you surf on your forehand you have the face of the wave facing directly at you providing almost a wall to lean on ( even it's only psychological, it's there).

Not sure if that adds much to the asym debate, just CMC and Goaty got me thinking...

you think if they worked when they were tryed and tested many years ago on shortboards all shortboard design would have them and the top pros would be using them in there boards? well i guess that says enough.... i find it funny that people arnt looking at the past and present designs of surfcraft to see what already works and use those ideas? why go backwards

Yes Lobes.. If you want to fall off in a hurry.. .. Most assym (race) snowboards don't have much.. if any tail kick.. I've owned a few and loved them.. The only hassle with them was the short nose on the toe side.. The Burton Assym-Air was a good one that worked both ways.

DJ

I'm with Goatman on this one - DTM - the reason the idea may have merit is, as Goatman says, that we're dealing with alot more surface area and volume in the tail area than normal surfboards.

I'm having to shift my feet to the rails to get maximum control in turns - this is not necessary on 6'0 surfboards due to their size. Having said that the azzy idea never caught on in any other discipline of surfing and probably won't here either.

goatman said...

dtm said...

you think if they worked when they were tryed and tested many years ago on shortboards all shortboard design would have them and the top pros would be using them in there boards? well i guess that says enough....

Not neccessarily, like racing snowboards (who don't use assym any more), modern shortboards are so narrow and responsive that there would be no advantage. Sup is a different story.

Backhand on SUP would benefit from an Asym design I reckon - shorter toe side rail that is

Yeah I have a shed full of old Asym snowboards as well , I'm with Goatie on this one as well , the smaller the Sup tail the better I surf on my backhand (which is normally pretty sh!thouse) I definetly find it easier with a more pulled in narrow tail. Would love to try an Asmy Sup tail.

As far as old board designs being out of date , just count the amount of fish's in the water with ply fins.....everything old is new again.

Piros said...
the smaller the Sup tail the better I surf on my backhand (which is normally pretty sh!thouse) I definetly find it easier with a more pulled in narrow tail. Would love to try an Asmy Sup tail.

This relates back to what Blane was talking about in another thread in regards to surfing from the very tail of the board, where it is narrower. Think about it like an indo board. The further out your feet are the more stability you have and the more it takes to get you off balance. The exact same movment performed with your feet at the very end of the board covers less degrees than if your feet were closer to the fulcrum.


Therefore making a SUP like the larger beam requiring more movement of the feet to get it going from rail to rail and a shortboard like the smaller beam and not needing as much movement (if any to get the board on rail).