hilly said..

supthecreek said...
Kirk... how does does the "X" relate to the S5? The S5 has always seemed to fit my eye, is this a morph of the S5?

Xtra large at a guess

supthecreek said..
Kirk... how does does the "X" relate to the S5? The S5 has always seemed to fit my eye, is this a morph of the S5?

Creek,

This is very similar in principal to our S5. The addition of the stepped rails, channels and unique tail shape make it more like an S5 on 'roids.

Kirk

Kirk,

What's the purpose of the reduced nose size on these boards? I (think) that I understand the tail fat tails found on all Simsups/Tomos - it helps with planing. And the deep concaves - they help planing too. But why the reduced nose? Surely any nose channel setup could be integrated into a natural nose just as easily? Is it just for aesthetic symmetry?

Piros said...

TalkToMe said..

So those three brands seem to have their marketing team on top of things. I can't seem to find anything on that Starboard Vanguard, as in a professional website.

I'm still on the fence with these Vanguard models. Might try and demo one during the holidays.

Yeah I have not seen anything on Starboard , which is really strange as most new stuff I will find out pretty early. I had no idea they had one?

What's the purpose of the reduced nose size on these boards? I (think) that I understand the tail fat tails found on all Simsups/Tomos - it helps with planing. And the deep concaves - they help planing too. But why the reduced nose? Surely any nose channel setup could be integrated into a natural nose just as easily? Is it just for aesthetic symmetry?

Everyone has their own theory. The design blow up from the shortboard Vanguard doesn't work perfectly on a Sup.That's why all brands are pretty different. Bring on the evolution I love it

The Starby one is a proto. The Starboard guys were at Merimbula last month and said they were surprised at how well the "Hypernut" had been kept under wraps.
They advised that there will be five sizes if I remember correctly. And that they will be released at different times through 2015. The one in the pic is 7'2" but there will be a smaller one specifically designed for Zane. The largest was I think 8'0" and 31.5" wide. The tail is pulled in slightly to allow rail to rail turns.

The Gulliver boards look pretty good. Anyone know the prices?

Piros said..
Have to Say from my personal experience 8-0 x 31.5 does not work.

those dimensions seem almost perfect to me, as I find anything below 32" is just too narrow for my normal stance. why didn't it work for you? too much length, too much width, or just plain too much?

Zane's Hypernut is a 6'10 x 23" and he completely rips on that thing.

I was with him in France the day he tried it for the first time in France, and he threw one of the sickest air reverses I've ever seen on a SUP board in one of the first waves he rode on that thing.

The concept itself is a bit different from the Vanguard boards, since it is a blend between the Vanguard and the Nut.

Zane was saying it was the best SUP board he ever surfed, and it was only the first prototype they've tried.
One of the things I really like about it is that the tail is way narrower than the other vanguard like shapes i've seen! Really curious to see where the new iterations of that shape will take it.

JohnnyMaya said...
Zane's Hypernut is a 6'10 x 23" and he completely rips on that thing.

I was with him in France the day he tried it for the first time in France, and he threw one of the sickest air reverses I've ever seen on a SUP board in one of the first waves he rode on that thing.

The concept itself is a bit different from the Vanguard boards, since it is a blend between the Vanguard and the Nut.

Zane was saying it was the best SUP board he ever surfed, and it was only the first prototype they've tried.
One of the things I really like about it is that the tail is way narrower than the other vanguard like shapes i've seen! Really curious to see where the new iterations of that shape will take it.

Sounds good let's see if he rides it in the next comp.

Can be that kind sets with 8" cutaway fin and M7 side fin size's or as thruster combo with large back fin

Any way this 7'2" 26.2" 90 liters shows on volume diagram a well balance paddling abilities and i reckon it would be rideable as well because of medium widest point with flyers as a loose and responsive board and still some parallel outline to hold some back hand abilities on walling wave

Piros said..
Nice call Hilly but I don't call it a Fad yet still room for improvements. I think you'll see the noses round up more and the tails square off like the Thomo design. These boards have their days where they just rip but in some fatter sloppy conditions they do struggle. If you can afford more than one board it's a must in your quiver but if you are a one board Supper this isn't your board.

We now have 4 major brands put out production models: Sunova 1st , then Gulliver , JP and even Naish. Sunova designs are pretty radical , JP & Gulliver is more the proven design so far and Naish have gone super short and fat. Deep has lead the way with customs and by far sold the most plus we have a bunch of other custom shapers and home made jobs. Everyone has their own theories on how to blow up this original Vanguard shortboard shape.

Personally I love it always keen on new stuff. One really interesting fact none of the top team riders are competing on them that has to say something.

Piros in terms of the fact that as you say none of the top team riders are competing on them there are a number of reasonable factors to consider.
At the end of the day this is a commercial business and the major players offer a wide variety of boards which go from the extremely short to the overly long with a whole
range of board sizes in between. Just taking the Minion as an example, we see here that you have a product which can cater for guys who are ultra light, say under 70kg as well
as the big boys who are 115kg and yet keep the board well under 8 feet. It just comes down to how artfully you distribute the volume on these parallel boards. I would suggest then
that it would be commercially disadvantageous to the bigger players by narrowing the size down. How do they sell the boards which are 8'6, 9'0, 9'6, 10 etc which guys are using for
surfing purposes? Okay yes there will always be a market for the flatwater range regardless of how small the boards become but that is a speciality area. What do they do with all these
templates? They are basically shooting themselves in the foot by doing this. Now compare that again to the minion. It really took one thread from Casso and the exposure that it received
was such that we saw an explosion in interest for these boards which also translated in huge sales as well as an overwhelming positive response. Now if I had a choice of taking
Kai Lennys advice on board recommendation I need to balance that with his personal interests given that he is sponsored by Naish - he has a financial commitment there. On the other
hand I would be more inclined to look at the plethora of positive responses from guys that have bought a minion who have NO financial interest whatsoever. I would view their remarks
with a greater level of objectivity than Kai Lenny's.

These boards work, there is no doubt about that. If they didnt we would have an entire thread from disgruntled SUPers and no amount of affirmations from Kai Lenny could dispel negative feedback from the public.

Probably the most raved about Vanguard style of SUP
Just check the thread www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/DEEP-Oceanboards-72-Minion-Review/



I have a 7.10 and love it. Different kind of surfing but WOW fast...hell fast..:)

jonbro said..

colas said..

Zeusman said..
The Gulliver boards look pretty good. Anyone know the prices?

Yup, seems like a nice coherent design... except for the sizing!

Why increasing so much the length with volume? this means that for my weight I would be forced to ride a 8'1"... much too long for this design to work, you lose all the benefits of the parallel rails, and if as they say, this design allows you to have your rear foot on the kickpad at all times, this means that you have a huge swing weight far away up front slowing you down...

$2500RRP... Comes with cover, carbon fins and grip.

Holy **** batman.... Seen the question asked a few times now with no reply and now I can see why. Are these fully customized or of the shelf sizes/dimensions?

Even happier with the money I'm just about to drop on a minion

jonbro said..

colas said..

Zeusman said..
The Gulliver boards look pretty good. Anyone know the prices?

Yup, seems like a nice coherent design... except for the sizing!

Why increasing so much the length with volume? this means that for my weight I would be forced to ride a 8'1"... much too long for this design to work, you lose all the benefits of the parallel rails, and if as they say, this design allows you to have your rear foot on the kickpad at all times, this means that you have a huge swing weight far away up front slowing you down...

$2500RRP... Comes with cover, carbon fins and grip.

Not sure who you were talking to .. $1900 without a bag. That price from ringing retailer Australianwaterman.com yesterday (07) 55203824

colas said...

Zeusman said..
The Gulliver boards look pretty good. Anyone know the prices?

Yup, seems like a nice coherent design... except for the sizing!

Why increasing so much the length with volume? this means that for my weight I would be forced to ride a 8'1"... much too long for this design to work, you lose all the benefits of the parallel rails, and if as they say, this design allows you to have your rear foot on the kickpad at all times, this means that you have a huge swing weight far away up front slowing you down...

Colas/Piros what would u say is limit on length for these boards to be used optimally?

Thanks Colas much appreciated. Anyone you think getting it right re: fin position?

You sir, have in my house what I call the divorce quiver! Just jealous! thanks again v useful.