Standard Horizon gx2200 VHF/AIS/GPS

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BlueMoon
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4 Apr 2014 6:39am
Gday,
Sounds like a good unit www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=83&encProdID=27C38D916BB23B1B8A53F18ED6C711B7&DivisionID=3&isArchived=0 Not available in Aus', so you have to get it on the internet. Im after a VHF anyway, & this is about $400US plus postage,
Anyone got one, or ordered electronics from the US & got any comments?, Thanks.
Seamonkey_H2024
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4 Apr 2014 10:24am
Looks pretty good mate. You'll also save a few dollars by not having to buy a vhf/ais splitter. The only issue I see is the screen appears to be a little small, but that's definitely not a deal breaker for that price.
Donk107
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4 Apr 2014 12:22pm
Hi Bluemoon

Looks ok for the money


Regards Don
cisco
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4 Apr 2014 11:51am
That looks like a great piece of kit. A VHF transceiver with built in AIS and GPS receivers has got to be the go.

Price is right so the only question is compatibility and serviceability in AUS.
BlueMoon
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4 Apr 2014 10:03am
From what ive researched, just select INT for International (which it has) & will work just like any VHF in Aus', seems the yanks are clinging to their own frequencies, as they are to feet, inches, gallons, their reversed Navigation markers etc (A or B I cant remember which), Canada has their own also, which is the same as the US frequencies but with just a few extra commercial channels that they use.
Serviceability is a problem, but they do have an outstanding warranty policy in the USA, maybe you just have to take a punt....like you do with a lot of internet purchases, cheers
Dunedinite
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4 Apr 2014 1:58pm
I brought a Furuno Chart plotter from the US. Saved over a $1000 compared to what I was offered in Oz. That was 3 years ago. Unit is still working perfectly.
If you get a bad unit then warranty is an issue. But if it's a reputable brand/company you should be good.
cisco
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4 Apr 2014 11:20pm
I think if this company is smart enough to put such a unit on the market, they are market leaders and the quality will be good.

What is the bet that all the other marine electronics companies will have similar products within the next 12 months??

The technology has been around for a while now. My Aldi (Bauhn) tablet is a computer, a mobile phone and a GPS which acquires it's position in about 5 minutes. One can now buy a waterproof Samsung tablet with phone and GPS. Add the Navionics App and you have a marine plotter for well under $1,000.

It is high time the likes of Garmin, Raymarine, Navico (B&G, Simrad, Lowrance, Northstar & Eagle), GME and others stopped ripping the marine community off.
Dunedinite
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4 Apr 2014 10:38pm
It's all very well having lots of things in one unit.... But I don't like the idea of all the eggs in one basket. One fault and your fair screwed.
Separate units at least spread the chance of al lot of broken eggs/ boats.
But I guess it gives your more chances? Is that a catch 22?

I'd be happier losing use of everything apart from the depth sounder. Nothing worse than edging into an anchorage and not knowing any depths. Murky water of coarse. And how much chain to put out?

Also consider the power consumption. Having to have all three things on when you really only want to listen out on the VHF? Or can you switch them off individually?
RiffRaff
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24 Jul 2014 7:01pm
BlueMoon said..
Gday,
Sounds like a good unit www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=83&encProdID=27C38D916BB23B1B8A53F18ED6C711B7&DivisionID=3&isArchived=0 Not available in Aus', so you have to get it on the internet. Im after a VHF anyway, & this is about $400US plus postage,
Anyone got one, or ordered electronics from the US & got any comments?, Thanks.


hi BlueMoon,
Did you ever go any further with the gx2200
HG02
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24 Jul 2014 11:19pm
Bubbles777 knows a bit about those units
Donk107
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24 Jul 2014 11:26pm
Is AIS widley used in Australia ?

Regards Don
nswsailor
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24 Jul 2014 11:35pm
Don,

Every commercial vessel, by law, broadcasts a AIS signal 24/7.

You get the ships name course speed etc. and they like it when you call them by name instead of BIG SHIP!
Donk107
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24 Jul 2014 11:51pm
Thanks for that information

I was just looking on this website www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:147.3341/centery:-42.88568/zoom:8/mmsi:503043000 at what is around the Hobart area

It would be good tool if you had a charter boat and wanted to keep track of where it was

Regards Don

Sunseeker39
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24 Jul 2014 9:51pm
I've got the model below without AIS , works brilliantly as a radio.
So much so that when I recently sold my first yacht I removed it prior to selling.
will be installing it in my current one.
It nmea connects to a chart plotter and receives VHF data from other boats and sends it to the chart plotter.
DSC data contains gps info which when it comes though on the VHF gives you a waypoint.
With one emergency push of a button a vessels position is sent and stored on any nearby boats plotter
AIS would be a great addition.
think I paid about $200 aus

FreeRadical
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24 Jul 2014 11:39pm
Just got one of these, not installed yet:

www2.vespermarine.com/transponders/xb8000-ais-transponder

Be good to see how it all works. AIS transponder, not just receiver. GPS receiver, NMEA gateway, WiFI router.

Looks like a nice bit of kit. Plan to link it to plotter via NMEA and also iNavx on the ipad with the WiFi.

Seamonkey_H2024
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25 Jul 2014 8:50am
As I understand. To run a AIS unit in Australia the user must have a minumum of MROVCP and have the unit registered with a MMSI number from AMSA. They will do this for free if the unit falls into the accepted class licences (eg. A & B). However if the unit does not have a class licence then the unit will need to be checked/tested (not for free).
Therefore if unsure, check with AMSA that the unit you're buying will fall into an accepted Australian class licence.

In regards to American VHF tranceiver units there is normally a US/international toggle switch. As USA use different frequencies as the rest of the world, just so they can be a pain in the backside.

*Also to note, looking at that standard horizon model that was posted I can't see a VHF class licence in the description...hmm beware.
Ramona
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25 Jul 2014 9:06am
nswsailor said..
Don,

Every commercial vessel, by law, broadcasts a AIS signal 24/7.

You get the ships name course speed etc. and they like it when you call them by name instead of BIG SHIP!


Vessels over a certain size have to carry AIS. Most commercial boats like fishing vessels do not. The AIS has to be active in certain areas like the English channel but generally they do not have to be using AIS unless they want to.
Seamonkey_H2024
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25 Jul 2014 9:11am
As you can see by this link www.boatsafe.com/us-vhf-marine-radio-channels-frequencies/

The US run simplex communications on duplex international frequencies.
Ramona
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25 Jul 2014 9:14am
Hard to believe there are only 5 ships between Sydney and the Victorian border at the moment, and that includes 3 anchored off Wollongong.
BlueMoon
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25 Jul 2014 7:18am
RiffRaff said..

BlueMoon said..
Gday,
Sounds like a good unit www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=83&encProdID=27C38D916BB23B1B8A53F18ED6C711B7&DivisionID=3&isArchived=0 Not available in Aus', so you have to get it on the internet. Im after a VHF anyway, & this is about $400US plus postage,
Anyone got one, or ordered electronics from the US & got any comments?, Thanks.



hi BlueMoon,
Did you ever go any further with the gx2200


I was about to buy one of these units from the cheapest discount online supplier KoalaGPS, but was made aware of the poor reputation they have had, & I haven't got around to finding another supplier of it yet.
Thanks for that info SirJman, do you know if the MMSI number is still required if you are receiving the signal only?
Sunseeker39, do you mean the model without the "GPS"?, & did you need to get an MMSI?
cheers
Seamonkey_H2024
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25 Jul 2014 9:43am
BlueMoon said..



RiffRaff said..




BlueMoon said..
Gday,
Sounds like a good unit www.standardhorizon.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=83&encProdID=27C38D916BB23B1B8A53F18ED6C711B7&DivisionID=3&isArchived=0 Not available in Aus', so you have to get it on the internet. Im after a VHF anyway, & this is about $400US plus postage,
Anyone got one, or ordered electronics from the US & got any comments?, Thanks.






hi BlueMoon,
Did you ever go any further with the gx2200




I was about to buy one of these units from the cheapest discount online supplier KoalaGPS, but was made aware of the poor reputation they have had, & I haven't got around to finding another supplier of it yet.
Thanks for that info SirJman, do you know if the MMSI number is still required if you are receiving the signal only?
Sunseeker39, do you mean the model without the "GPS"?, & did you need to get an MMSI?
cheers





Edited post - FreeRadical hit the nail on the head as below
You require an MMSI number to use DSC. I'd splash the extra cash and get a AIS transceiver, then you give people the chance to see you as well, including emergency services within vhf range.

More info on mmsi...
(www.amsa.gov.au/safety-navigation/distress-beacons/about-maritime-mobile-service-identity-information)
Datawiz
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25 Jul 2014 12:08pm
FreeRadical said..
Just got one of these, not installed yet:

www2.vespermarine.com/transponders/xb8000-ais-transponder
Damn - wish I'd come across this one when I was researching AIS/WiFi for my boat. This xb8000 looks great.

Be good to see how it all works. AIS transponder, not just receiver. GPS receiver, NMEA gateway, WiFI router.
This is what I set up but used separate AIS transponder, Antenna Splitter and WiFi router - works great, but the xb8000 would've made for an easier, neater job.

Looks like a nice bit of kit. Plan to link it to plotter via NMEA and also iNavx on the ipad with the WiFi.
I linked my setup to the Raymarine C80 MFD and iNavx on my iPad & iPhone - well worth all the effort.



FreeRadical
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25 Jul 2014 10:41am
MMSI is only required for DSC radio transceiver and AIS transceiver. an MMSI is not required for an AIS receiver only.

to get an MMSI you will need to supply your MROVCP As a minimum.

the Standard Horizon unit is AIS receiver only, but to use the DSC features of the VHF, it will need an MMSI And hence MROVCP.

why would you not have an MROVCP? It's not exactly hard.
Datawiz
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25 Jul 2014 1:21pm
Hi all,

Highly recommend getting an AIS transponder (ie transmitter/receiver) rather than just a receiver. Get your MROCP certificate (it's not hard really and strictly speaking, you should have this qualification if you use a VHF radio), then you can get an MMSI from AMSA, stick that number in your AIS, enable transmit mode, and walla! - all those big ships can see you.
You can use your AIS transponder in receive mode (so you can see all those big ships and anyone else who is transmitting AIS) until you get your MMSI.

Easy way to get your MROCP and your MMSI:
1) get the "MARINE VHF RADIO OPERATORS HANDBOOK" - from say boatbooks.com.au and read through it.
2) go to https://www.amc.edu.au/revision-questions-mrocp - this is the website of the Australian Maritime College (AMC) in Tasmania.
The above link takes you to a free online MROCP revision question utility where you can practice answering MROCP exam questions until you feel confident.
3) Using the Invigilator Search on the AMC website, find an 'invigilator' (an authorised MROCP examiner) near you, and organise to sit for your MROCP for a nominal fee. He will give you a multiple choice exam paper which you do ( takes maybe an hour), he sends this to AMC who advise by letter whether you pass or fail.
4) Assuming you pass, you get a MROCP certificate (a plastic card same size as a credit card). Now get an MMSI application form from the AMSA site, fill it out quoting your certificate number and you will be issued an MMSI number.
5) Program your AIS with your MMSI number, enable AIS transmissions, and now anyone with AIS can see you

regards,
Allan
Seamonkey_H2024
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25 Jul 2014 1:36pm
I wonder if somali pirates use AIS?
Charriot
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25 Jul 2014 1:40pm
Ramona
Hard to believe there are only 5 ships between Sydney and the Victorian border at the moment, and that includes 3 anchored off Wollongong.

AIS transmitter has very low wattage, coverage along the Coast is very poor.
A couple years ago I follow friend progress from Port Phillip to Townsville , 70% invisible by the web tracking.
Considering commercial big boat don't care about you. Not sure if the transmitter is need it.
Receiver is positively nice to have. Believe the radar can give me more valuable data.
Seamonkey_H2024
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25 Jul 2014 2:28pm
AIS transmit VHF and the most you could ever get would be line of sight (~74km(ignoring ionosphere reflection), but with the 2W Class B AIS transponders you'd probably get ~8-16km.
Your location will not get online unless you upload that data yourself or come in range of an AIS base station.

On another note a coast radio operator was telling me that it's becoming common for larger vessels not to monitor VHF 16 and the best way to reach them is via DSC on 70, then switch to 16 to annonce required transmission.
FreeRadical
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25 Jul 2014 12:44pm
Satellite AIS reception looks like the next big thing. This will allow truly global AIS tracking.

I wondered how I was able to watch ships searching for MH370 on the marine traffic website.

Here's some info.

www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-28372461
Ramona
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25 Jul 2014 6:25pm
Charriot said..
Ramona
Hard to believe there are only 5 ships between Sydney and the Victorian border at the moment, and that includes 3 anchored off Wollongong.

AIS transmitter has very low wattage, coverage along the Coast is very poor.
A couple years ago I follow friend progress from Port Phillip to Townsville , 70% invisible by the web tracking.
Considering commercial big boat don't care about you. Not sure if the transmitter is need it.
Receiver is positively nice to have. Believe the radar can give me more valuable data.


I was using the online chart, not using AIS myself. There were a few yachts in harbour with their AIS transmitting but I was only looking to see how many ships were transmitting along the coast. I know there are plenty of ships passing but they don't always transmit. I don't know where the compulsory zones are in Australia, probably off the major harbours and around the Bass strait oil rigs.
Ramona
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25 Jul 2014 6:45pm
Interesting reading on the amsa site about the minimum qualifications required to use Vhf transmitters. In NSW at least there was much rejoicing when the requirement to have a license was dropped. About the same time the compulsory carrying of radios for vessels proceding to sea was introduced. The idea was that its cheaper to rescue people with radios than the cost of collecting fees. I used to have a base station years ago [and a license] the government used to patrol the area searching out houses with radio towers. I think the master class 5 also covered the radio license issue. Seems the amsa crowd have sneaked the license requirement back in!
FreeRadical
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25 Jul 2014 6:39pm
A 2010 study by AMSA estimated that only about 29% of marine VHF users have a MROCP. When taking account of marine VHF owners, not just users, the compliance rate is even less.

Not hard to see why, the process is too complex for recreational use. The study also showed increasing poor radio terminology and frequency use. So why doesn't AMSA make it easier. The study book for MROCP is some 150 pages long and goes into radio wave propagation, electronics, batteries etc

the study guide could be condensed to about 20 pages of really useful study in terminology, frequency selection etc. then it should be jump online for a twenty question test, pay a nominal fee and get a licence. Having to go and sit a test somewhere for the certificate is stupid.
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