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LooseChange
LooseChange
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12 Mar 2014 7:10pm
cisco said..

Many brokers are demanding higher commission rates on lower priced yachts, like 10%.


They all have an overdeveloped sense of self entitledment and think we should fund their immininent retirement at the age of 35.


cisco said..
Everybody needs to make a living but today a brokerage business can be run as a part time/hobby business from a smart phone.


And most of them do ...... if their tag line line is that you need to make an appointment....then more than likely their office is a phone booth somwhere.
Dezman
Dezman
NSW
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12 Mar 2014 8:08pm
Tell me did I coin the line 'fender kicker' in my add or has it been around for awhile?
Just dropped my price on Valkyrie and soon I could be getting a 10% return...
southace
southace
SA
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12 Mar 2014 7:53pm
Dezman said..

Tell me did I coin the line 'fender kicker' in my add or has it been around for awhile?
Just dropped my price on Valkyrie and soon I could be getting a 10% return...


I have had about 15 emails and not one viewing in past few months after taking my time to return the emails I don't hear back again from them.....maybe not fender kickers but dreamers perhaps I should change it to No dreamers please ! Haha
SandS
SandS
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12 Mar 2014 8:57pm
southace said..

FreeRadical said..

How about this baby?

http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/radford/136905


Wow yes and a draft of 3.2 m will be great for cruising around the GBR and getting into nice sandy atolls.

And a 3.6 beam which what I have close to now on my 37 footer really is not much of a upgrade!

This is the boat I'm looking for below. Thanks anyway for your suggestion!

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/jeanneau-42ds-deck-saloon-jansz/82806.



Very nice yacht ! That engine room is so clean , you will never need a washing machine again !!!!! Good brokers down there too !!
Donk107
Donk107
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12 Mar 2014 9:21pm
Hi Southace

The DS Jenneau's look fairly flash

If you bought either one of the two you have posted the adverts for, what if anything would you need to do them to make them into a live aboard

If you dont mind me asking in what way does your present boat fall short of your current needs/wants

I crew on a 3 (i think) year old 33 foot Jenneau in the local race season and the owner who is 73, has owned many boats over the years and has sailed both for leisure and racing all his life and has a a fair bit of offshore experience including 13 Sydney/Hobarts seems to be fairly happy with how it is holding together and he is not afraid to drive it hard to do well in a race.

If you come to Tassie to look at the DS in Hobart hopefully we might be able to meet in person and if you need crew for the test sail i wouldn't say no

Good luck with the sale of you current boat

By Tassie standards it seems like a lot of boat for the money if the general condition is as good as the photo's indicate

Regards Don

southace
southace
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12 Mar 2014 9:28pm
Don

The Tassie boat has all I ever want for live aboard, 2 cabin , strong tender davits with solar and D400 wind genset.
The electronics on both boats have basic standed shop fit-outs. But this is not a concern as I have 3 mobile chart plotters that come with me when I jumb ships.

HF radio and Australian registration would need to be added.

Aircon and dive compressor would be the only other additions I would be looking at adding.

There are about 6 Jeanneuas 42/43s I have my eye on in Australia....

The Tassie boat is priced well and I have a feeling it maybe hard to bump it down to what I'm looking at spending.

The boat in Vic is one year older and has nothing but the basic base model arrangement it would need 20k spent for davits/solar and wind generator.

I will be keeping a sharp eye on the Tassie boat!

Now I have dropped the price to a ridiculous amount on my current yacht they seem to be all coming out of he wood work tonight! Makes me wonder should I bump it back up! Haha
cisco
cisco
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12 Mar 2014 11:21pm
southace said..

I'm about to sell a yacht I spent $120 k for a bargain price of 50 k ........is that close to your 10% rule CISCO? Haha


No it is not. I have recently got rid of a yacht that I paid $35,000 for and spent another $20,000 storing it for 8 years, for a return of $300.

That hurt, you can be assured. The $35,000 was spent a long time ago but the ongoing storage fee was every month for what had become an almost irrepairable and worthless yacht. It was worth less than the sum of it's parts.


What you buy or sell a yacht for is not what the 10% rule is about. I will repeat the rule so that hopefully you will understand it.

The rule is:-

"Never let your yachts/boats/TOYs represent more than 10% of your nett worth."

As I understand it, for YOU, your yacht is not a TOY. It is your home and what you base your life around?? So for YOU a TOY would be another yacht that you go racing on or a sports car or an aircraft or a land yacht or a competition go kart.

I base my life around my family and that requires REAL ESTATE. The more real estate one owns means the more expensive yacht he can afford to own as a TOY.

Hard to make it any plainer than that. Do you now understand the 10% rule???
cisco
cisco
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13 Mar 2014 12:10am
southace said..

How's about this one CISCO ?


http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/halvorsen-classic/145418

I recon you could get this for 8k would that fit your 10% rule? Haha


Yeah it is a nice yacht and yes it would fit the 10% rule. It belongs to one of the contributors to this forum. However I am not interested in traditional or timber yachts or spending a lot of my valuable and limited time on repair and maintenance of a yacht.

I, like yourself, want to spend quality time sailing a performance yacht with good creature comforts and minimal maintenance.

Ocean passages are a necessary evil attached to coastal cruising and the Queensland coast suits me quite well, so international sailing capabilities are not a big issue for me except for maybe a trip or two to Noumea.

Therefore I have determined that a well found, off shore capable 30 footer should keep me happy. Based on my market research I believe a budget of no more than $30,000 is required.

This particular yacht exampled below I believe fits the bill admirably well. Though it was designed in the late 70s and built in the early 80s, it has a very similar hull form to the Jenneau that you are so passionate about. I think Alan Wright the designer was a man well ahead of his time. The interior accommodation layout is as about as good as it can get on a 30 footer. Equipment levels are adequate, electronics are just there but I do not trust second hand marine electronics anyway. I could probably even fit a washing machine in there somewhere.

You have been around southace and you know boats. Can you find a better value for money 9 to 10 metre yacht than this one?????

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/30-lotus-9-2/124871
spongeblob
spongeblob
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13 Mar 2014 1:56am
Yes Cisco it does belong to a contributor, its Southace's
cisco
cisco
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13 Mar 2014 1:54am
And he is welcome to it. Not my bag.
Dezman
Dezman
NSW
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13 Mar 2014 5:41am
cisco said..

southace said..

How's about this one CISCO ?


http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/halvorsen-classic/145418

I recon you could get this for 8k would that fit your 10% rule? Haha


Yeah it is a nice yacht and yes it would fit the 10% rule. It belongs to one of the contributors to this forum. However I am not interested in traditional or timber yachts or spending a lot of my valuable and limited time on repair and maintenance of a yacht.

I, like yourself, want to spend quality time sailing a performance yacht with good creature comforts and minimal maintenance.

Ocean passages are a necessary evil attached to coastal cruising and the Queensland coast suits me quite well, so international sailing capabilities are not a big issue for me except for maybe a trip or two to Noumea.

Therefore I have determined that a well found, off shore capable 30 footer should keep me happy. Based on my market research I believe a budget of no more than $30,000 is required.

This particular yacht exampled below I believe fits the bill admirably well. Though it was designed in the late 70s and built in the early 80s, it has a very similar hull form to the Jenneau that you are so passionate about. I think Alan Wright the designer was a man well ahead of his time. The interior accommodation layout is as about as good as it can get on a 30 footer. Equipment levels are adequate, electronics are just there but I do not trust second hand marine electronics anyway. I could probably even fit a washing machine in there somewhere.

You have been around southace and you know boats. Can you find a better value for money 9 to 10 metre yacht than this one?????

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/30-lotus-9-2/124871


Well Cisco, I had to look and see what you thought was a good buy!
I'm not sure if you value my opinion but take my advice I'm not using it...
You can see someone has slashed some silver paint on the old engine that's waiting to die. I like the layout inside though, but don't like the deep keel when you could have a lift one on a Nolex 30 for example.the angle is very steep on the shaft too, and as a sea boat well... You may want to fibreglass the front hatch shut if want a dry bed out there!
As for price well it as always depends on condition, I think its to expensive for what you'll getting in today's market.
Dezman
Dezman
NSW
818 posts
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13 Mar 2014 5:46am
southace said..

Dezman said..

Tell me did I coin the line 'fender kicker' in my add or has it been around for awhile?
Just dropped my price on Valkyrie and soon I could be getting a 10% return...


I have had about 15 emails and not one viewing in past few months after taking my time to return the emails I don't hear back again from them.....maybe not fender kickers but dreamers perhaps I should change it to No dreamers please ! Haha


Yeah I just shot off a few emails thinking hey if they are serious then let's talk on the phone.
Well funny how they turn up after a price drop! Soon my boat will be so cheap I won't even bother taking them out, just give me the money please and sort it out for yourself, I will say to them.
southace
southace
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13 Mar 2014 10:42am
If the port holes don't pop out of this one it might be a good one for you CISCO ..... Could get it in 2C survey and take the punters for a sail through the week to earn a few extra bucks!

http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-29-2/146601
Dezman
Dezman
NSW
818 posts
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13 Mar 2014 4:17pm
cisco said..

I think this would be a better yacht overall and is certainly better buying. A number of these were built to survey and still operate commercially.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=15961277&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=235&eapi=2


sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5589


It's still a 'dealer' selling the boat mate, plus it's 31 yes old! What's it going to be worth when its 40?
Find the boat you like on a mooring and leave a big coloured sign for the owner to give ya a call.
Of course one that needs a wash and bottom paint will save ya, and be ruthless...
SandS
SandS
VIC
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13 Mar 2014 7:13pm
cisco said..

I think this would be a better yacht overall and is certainly better buying. A number of these were built to survey and still operate commercially.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=15961277&Silo=Stock&Vertical=Boat&Ridx=235&eapi=2


sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5589




Nice boat , the 26 and 32 foot versions are good sailing vessels , so that should be the same !!

No furler though , you may prefer that ?
SandS
SandS
VIC
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13 Mar 2014 9:39pm
Looks good as well , fractional rig or 7/8 or something ?

I have never seen a 30 ft cav !
cisco
cisco
QLD
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13 Mar 2014 11:59pm
SandS said..

No furler though , you may prefer that ?



No, I prefer hanked on sails for short handed sailing. This one looks like it has a foil

cisco
cisco
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14 Mar 2014 12:11am
southace said..

Have you seen this one Cisco?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/redcliffe/sail-boats/cavalier-30/1039887494


Yes, I have seen the ad. That yacht is actually a Cavalier or Davidson 28 that has been extended in the stern and has an underslung rudder.

There is reference to that in the history of the Davidson 28 on this page just above "Construction and Layout"

www.cavalier28.com/history
cisco
cisco
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14 Mar 2014 12:46am
SandS said..

Looks good as well , fractional rig or 7/8 or something ?

I have never seen a 30 ft cav !


The extended stern does give the yacht a more classic appearance and it is quite clever with the walk through transom/sugar scoop type stern. No doubt it would get a foot or two more waterline length when heeled which is usually a good thing for speed.

From the photos it looks to definitely have a fractional rig with a substantially larger area main sail but I do not see any running backstays. The mast looks like it may be 100 to 200 mm further forward too.

Should we call this one a "hotted up" Cavalier/Davidson 28??

Many of the Northshore/Santana/Peterson 30s got the same "hotting up" with fractional taller rigs placed further forward.

Damn I love this internet with multiple yacht listing sites and heaps of photos. A heap better than the old "Trade-A-Boat" magazine. How long has it been since you wasted money buying one of those stacks of toilet paper??
southace
southace
SA
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22 Mar 2014 4:44pm
4300 hits on gumtree 3 viewings (fender kickers) so far one asks does it have a water marker? I respond no mate not on a 50k boat sorry! 2 more viewing tomorrow!
southace
southace
SA
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23 Mar 2014 4:56pm
Update I'm down to one boat now!! 7 years ago I had a total of 7 boats!
Dezman
Dezman
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23 Mar 2014 8:41pm
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southace said..

Update I'm down to one boat now!! 7 years ago I had a total of 7 boats!


Well done :D...
spongeblob
spongeblob
NSW
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24 Mar 2014 4:53pm
That new washing machine is getting so close Southpaw you must be able to smell it, well done.
southace
southace
SA
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25 Mar 2014 1:10am
Still got the timber boat for sale always up fore a discount between rockstar friendships!
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