Jode5,
If you were here right now I'd give you the biggest hug and a big girly kiss on those whiskers.
Two reasons:
1) History. I love the stories behind our sport, and could sit for hours listening to narratives like this. In this modern world of electronic everything, it worries me the era prior to the interweb thingy is being lost. I keep thinking it would be fantastic to visit the older members of all the yacht clubs and transcribe the bazillion stories that would abound, it would be a rewarding, albeit financially crippling career! There's some Sea Breezers alone I know that could fill the first few tones!
Question if I may, when was the first Kingfisher series held? Who was the most noteworthy entry (there must be one! ) to campaign the first series?

2) Sailors creating races for sailors. The Combined Clubs monthly race between a bunch of Moreton Bay clubs has been another stalwart for so many years I can't remember. No overarching club politics, catermarans and monos equally welcome, no governing body bull$&@;, PHS racing only, it's racing the sailors way.
The Kingfisher is the same feeling, and for those who don't know it's spread over 4 months , each race is held on the full moon which makes for some spectacular memories. It's a must do if you're in Moreton Bay, and just the best time to be on the water let alone racing!
Cheers,
SB

Edit: restock that brownie jar soon, would be great to see the Hanse out there!

Donk, I've always wanted to do an electronic blog version of a coffee table book of these snippets/short stories, just a hodge podge jumble of snapshots of life from gentlemen such as Jeff with a byline stating who and when for the reader to attain some perspective.
Love these to bits, thanks for sharing them!

Jode5 said..
After doing 19 Brisbane to Gladstone's I have had to spend the last few years refilling the brownie jar and do some traveling with the misses. I would live to clock up number 20 so I may do it next year as it looks like I may be home for Easter and for some of the preliminary races. I would like to also do the Kingfisher series next year as well as it also holds a soft spot as it was Neil Plank and myself that founded the series.
The series was created as a fellowship series between the 4 major clubs of the time MBBC, QCYC, WMYC and RQYS. To keep club politics out of it the throphy presentation was held at the Norman Hotel which was owned by Peter Cavill at the time and each club would host 1 race each of About 50nm which is longer than now. Both Neil and I were club handicappers at the time and we were having trouble handicapping boats from different clubs as each clubs handicaps did not relate to each other. By having boats from the various clubs regularly sailing against each other we could now have boats that we could use as reference boats which made it a lot easer to set performance handicaps for races like the Brisbane to Gladstone, Surf to City and St Halina Cup. Kingfisher Bay came on as our inaugural sponsor thanks to the QCYC representative having a friend who was involved with Kingfisher Bay, I would like to thank Kingfisher Bay for their support over the many years. Just a little bit of history that a lot of people would not know.

if your going to step back in time and come out for the kingfisher again does this mean your getting another adams 10
by the way rick morgan was out saturday night sailing dreamlover single handed great to see

boty said..

Jode5 said..
After doing 19 Brisbane to Gladstone's I have had to spend the last few years refilling the brownie jar and do some traveling with the misses. I would live to clock up number 20 so I may do it next year as it looks like I may be home for Easter and for some of the preliminary races. I would like to also do the Kingfisher series next year as well as it also holds a soft spot as it was Neil Plank and myself that founded the series.
The series was created as a fellowship series between the 4 major clubs of the time MBBC, QCYC, WMYC and RQYS. To keep club politics out of it the throphy presentation was held at the Norman Hotel which was owned by Peter Cavill at the time and each club would host 1 race each of About 50nm which is longer than now. Both Neil and I were club handicappers at the time and we were having trouble handicapping boats from different clubs as each clubs handicaps did not relate to each other. By having boats from the various clubs regularly sailing against each other we could now have boats that we could use as reference boats which made it a lot easer to set performance handicaps for races like the Brisbane to Gladstone, Surf to City and St Halina Cup. Kingfisher Bay came on as our inaugural sponsor thanks to the QCYC representative having a friend who was involved with Kingfisher Bay, I would like to thank Kingfisher Bay for their support over the many years. Just a little bit of history that a lot of people would not know.

if your going to step back in time and come out for the kingfisher again does this mean your getting another adams 10
by the way rick morgan was out saturday night sailing dreamlover single handed great to see

No Adams 10.
61st birthday today and like my creature comforts now.

Jode5 said..

boty said..

Jode5 said..
After doing 19 Brisbane to Gladstone's I have had to spend the last few years refilling the brownie jar and do some traveling with the misses. I would live to clock up number 20 so I may do it next year as it looks like I may be home for Easter and for some of the preliminary races. I would like to also do the Kingfisher series next year as well as it also holds a soft spot as it was Neil Plank and myself that founded the series.
The series was created as a fellowship series between the 4 major clubs of the time MBBC, QCYC, WMYC and RQYS. To keep club politics out of it the throphy presentation was held at the Norman Hotel which was owned by Peter Cavill at the time and each club would host 1 race each of About 50nm which is longer than now. Both Neil and I were club handicappers at the time and we were having trouble handicapping boats from different clubs as each clubs handicaps did not relate to each other. By having boats from the various clubs regularly sailing against each other we could now have boats that we could use as reference boats which made it a lot easer to set performance handicaps for races like the Brisbane to Gladstone, Surf to City and St Halina Cup. Kingfisher Bay came on as our inaugural sponsor thanks to the QCYC representative having a friend who was involved with Kingfisher Bay, I would like to thank Kingfisher Bay for their support over the many years. Just a little bit of history that a lot of people would not know.

if your going to step back in time and come out for the kingfisher again does this mean your getting another adams 10
by the way rick morgan was out saturday night sailing dreamlover single handed great to see

No Adams 10.
61st birthday today and like my creature comforts now.

i think i would if i could afford them happy birthday jhon

shaggybaxter said..
Jode5,
If you were here right now I'd give you the biggest hug and a big girly kiss on those whiskers.
Two reasons:
1) History. I love the stories behind our sport, and could sit for hours listening to narratives like this. In this modern world of electronic everything, it worries me the era prior to the interweb thingy is being lost. I keep thinking it would be fantastic to visit the older members of all the yacht clubs and transcribe the bazillion stories that would abound, it would be a rewarding, albeit financially crippling career! There's some Sea Breezers alone I know that could fill the first few tones!
Question if I may, when was the first Kingfisher series held? Who was the most noteworthy entry (there must be one! ) to campaign the first series?

2) Sailors creating races for sailors. The Combined Clubs monthly race between a bunch of Moreton Bay clubs has been another stalwart for so many years I can't remember. No overarching club politics, catermarans and monos equally welcome, no governing body bull$&@;, PHS racing only, it's racing the sailors way.
The Kingfisher is the same feeling, and for those who don't know it's spread over 4 months , each race is held on the full moon which makes for some spectacular memories. It's a must do if you're in Moreton Bay, and just the best time to be on the water let alone racing!
Cheers,
SB

Edit: restock that brownie jar soon, would be great to see the Hanse out there!

It sounded like fun racing till you said "PHS racing only". :-) Sure, it's good to have PHS as an encouragement award, but ONLY having PHS is very discouraging. If you try hard and beat your sistership home by an hour a race, you will still get beaten the day your sistership finishes just 59 minutes behind. That's discouraging and it means you can not have the sort of boat-on-boat sailing that most of us enjoy. Personally I tend to think that is discourages the small boats more. Racing under systems like IOR when there were overall placings, there was a lot of kudos in being a giant-killing little boat that beat the big boats by being a better design, better sailed. Under PHS a well sailed little boat just ends up getting punished by the handicapper to the point where it can beat a much faster boat over the line and lose to it on handicap, which is very discouraging.

We recently moved from place that had AMS rating to a place where it's PHS only. That's the end of anything like serious yacht racing locally for us. If there's only PHS it's not worth starting, so we've gone back to Lasers where you get a reward for sailing well. 'Scuse the rant, but IMHO concentrating on PHS is really hurting yacht racing in Australia.

Anyway, thanks to the QCYC for doing such a great job of revitalising a great race. The way the Gladstone is going, it's starting to look like a really worthwhile race to do. In a season or two we'll probably be in there with an ORC or IRC rating. Sure, as a low budget operation we won't be a leading contender, but getting beaten on IRC or ORC is better than winning on a dartboard golf handicap system like PHS.

Chris 249 said..

shaggybaxter said..
Jode5,
If you were here right now I'd give you the biggest hug and a big girly kiss on those whiskers.
Two reasons:
1) History. I love the stories behind our sport, and could sit for hours listening to narratives like this. In this modern world of electronic everything, it worries me the era prior to the interweb thingy is being lost. I keep thinking it would be fantastic to visit the older members of all the yacht clubs and transcribe the bazillion stories that would abound, it would be a rewarding, albeit financially crippling career! There's some Sea Breezers alone I know that could fill the first few tones!
Question if I may, when was the first Kingfisher series held? Who was the most noteworthy entry (there must be one! ) to campaign the first series?

2) Sailors creating races for sailors. The Combined Clubs monthly race between a bunch of Moreton Bay clubs has been another stalwart for so many years I can't remember. No overarching club politics, catermarans and monos equally welcome, no governing body bull$&@;, PHS racing only, it's racing the sailors way.
The Kingfisher is the same feeling, and for those who don't know it's spread over 4 months , each race is held on the full moon which makes for some spectacular memories. It's a must do if you're in Moreton Bay, and just the best time to be on the water let alone racing!
Cheers,
SB

Edit: restock that brownie jar soon, would be great to see the Hanse out there!

It sounded like fun racing till you said "PHS racing only". :-) Sure, it's good to have PHS as an encouragement award, but ONLY having PHS is very discouraging. If you try hard and beat your sistership home by an hour a race, you will still get beaten the day your sistership finishes just 59 minutes behind. That's discouraging and it means you can not have the sort of boat-on-boat sailing that most of us enjoy. Personally I tend to think that is discourages the small boats more. Racing under systems like IOR when there were overall placings, there was a lot of kudos in being a giant-killing little boat that beat the big boats by being a better design, better sailed. Under PHS a well sailed little boat just ends up getting punished by the handicapper to the point where it can beat a much faster boat over the line and lose to it on handicap, which is very discouraging.

We recently moved from place that had AMS rating to a place where it's PHS only. That's the end of anything like serious yacht racing locally for us. If there's only PHS it's not worth starting, so we've gone back to Lasers where you get a reward for sailing well. 'Scuse the rant, but IMHO concentrating on PHS is really hurting yacht racing in Australia.

Anyway, thanks to the QCYC for doing such a great job of revitalising a great race. The way the Gladstone is going, it's starting to look like a really worthwhile race to do. In a season or two we'll probably be in there with an ORC or IRC rating. Sure, as a low budget operation we won't be a leading contender, but getting beaten on IRC or ORC is better than winning on a dartboard golf handicap system like PHS.

cant agree more i have just renewed my irc for gladstone i had let it lapse as we went up to do a hammo race week and they wouldn't let me race irc as my handicap was to low (i suppose they didnt want the `100 foot motor boats being beaten by a sixty year old 37 foot timber pig .So we have been just entering the raffle and going for a sail with mates
i always feel a win on phs fairly meaningless where as you know if you get a result on measurement whether good or bad you deserved it

Chris 249 said..

shaggybaxter said..
Jode5,
If you were here right now I'd give you the biggest hug and a big girly kiss on those whiskers.
Two reasons:
1) History. I love the stories behind our sport, and could sit for hours listening to narratives like this. In this modern world of electronic everything, it worries me the era prior to the interweb thingy is being lost. I keep thinking it would be fantastic to visit the older members of all the yacht clubs and transcribe the bazillion stories that would abound, it would be a rewarding, albeit financially crippling career! There's some Sea Breezers alone I know that could fill the first few tones!
Question if I may, when was the first Kingfisher series held? Who was the most noteworthy entry (there must be one! ) to campaign the first series?

2) Sailors creating races for sailors. The Combined Clubs monthly race between a bunch of Moreton Bay clubs has been another stalwart for so many years I can't remember. No overarching club politics, catermarans and monos equally welcome, no governing body bull$&@;, PHS racing only, it's racing the sailors way.
The Kingfisher is the same feeling, and for those who don't know it's spread over 4 months , each race is held on the full moon which makes for some spectacular memories. It's a must do if you're in Moreton Bay, and just the best time to be on the water let alone racing!
Cheers,
SB

Edit: restock that brownie jar soon, would be great to see the Hanse out there!

It sounded like fun racing till you said "PHS racing only". :-) Sure, it's good to have PHS as an encouragement award, but ONLY having PHS is very discouraging. If you try hard and beat your sistership home by an hour a race, you will still get beaten the day your sistership finishes just 59 minutes behind. That's discouraging and it means you can not have the sort of boat-on-boat sailing that most of us enjoy. Personally I tend to think that is discourages the small boats more. Racing under systems like IOR when there were overall placings, there was a lot of kudos in being a giant-killing little boat that beat the big boats by being a better design, better sailed. Under PHS a well sailed little boat just ends up getting punished by the handicapper to the point where it can beat a much faster boat over the line and lose to it on handicap, which is very discouraging.

We recently moved from place that had AMS rating to a place where it's PHS only. That's the end of anything like serious yacht racing locally for us. If there's only PHS it's not worth starting, so we've gone back to Lasers where you get a reward for sailing well. 'Scuse the rant, but IMHO concentrating on PHS is really hurting yacht racing in Australia.

Anyway, thanks to the QCYC for doing such a great job of revitalising a great race. The way the Gladstone is going, it's starting to look like a really worthwhile race to do. In a season or two we'll probably be in there with an ORC or IRC rating. Sure, as a low budget operation we won't be a leading contender, but getting beaten on IRC or ORC is better than winning on a dartboard golf handicap system like PHS.

Well it would not be such a problem if we had an affordable national measurement system and not the bull**** Sailing Australia serve up.

Don't get me started.
At least a few of have saved the Gladstone Race for the moment.

boty said..
yippie just finished last of paperwork and hf radio test for Gladstone now the easy bit remains polish the bottom put some food and a keg of rum on and go sailing

Boty,
you won't need the keg mate, just take all your prizes from the Kingfisher series presso night. Pagan had a blinder series and cleaned up!

Pulled the boat today for a cosmetic repair to the keel. We'll leave her in the slings tonight and drop back in 8 am tomorrow. Antifoul looks to be holding up nicely, so a scrub and we're ready to go.

Jode5 said..

shaggybaxter said..

boty said..
yippie just finished last of paperwork and hf radio test for Gladstone now the easy bit remains polish the bottom put some food and a keg of rum on and go sailing

Boty,
you won't need the keg mate, just take all your prizes from the Kingfisher series presso night. Pagan had a blinder series and cleaned up!

Pulled the boat today for a cosmetic repair to the keel. We'll leave her in the slings tonight and drop back in 8 am tomorrow. Antifoul looks to be holding up nicely, so a scrub and we're ready to go.

Shaggy, the weather forecast looks spot on for Fusion
i won't even be at the start as I am currently in South Australia collecting brownie points.
Any way have a good one to you and Boty.

Thanks Jode,
I'm sorry you have to sit out this one, if the forecast holds on, the sleigh ride on the Hanse would be one to remember!
Having said that, brownie points are just as important !
I'm glued to watching the forecast at the moment, as long as the low off New Caledonia doesn't head West and break apart on the coast it looks pretty good. I think Boty will do well, that thing holds full white sails in 25+ knots, so she should like these conditions.
Thanks for the good wishes mate, we'll be pushing hard for a good result.

boty said..
thanks guys have Camille on the slip having bottom cleaned today tequila and laurabada up tomorrow for a clean pagan up Thursday for a 600 wet rub great having all the classics up i feel like a kid in a candy shop .forecast looks great hoping for 40 in the paddock with the 1.5 onz kite on in before dawn Sunday but i have a feeling it may soften a bit at the back of the fleet .
looks like shagy will get some more hot reaching up Fraser Friday night with a repeat of conditions from the last night race and at sea he should do very well good luck

Sounds great - I wish I was there. Please keep the same forecast for me in case I turn up with the "classic" lightweight 28'er in a few years' time.

Good luck to the little classics!

I'm passage planning (or chook scratchings) on wind direction options to get out of the bay at the moment, trying to avoid any square running. I wish I had you gents' instinctive ability , I sadly have to draw it out to get it to stick in my head!


Jode, you mention a flatter kite for the run up the beach, I'm looking at that if the wind stays in around 120 deg TWD. If it swings 150 deg TWD, I'm tossing up to swap for a fuller kite.
I'm interested in what you think, you having done a truckload more of these than me, do you reckon it will be more ESE up the beach?

Donk107 said..
Hi Shaggy

Can you use a symmetrical spinnaker on her if need be

Regards Don

Gday Donk,
No. I did have the option at the build time to get the mast built to take a pole, but for some bizarre reason I said no at the time. Not sure why, it might have been handy a few times! Now the mast has been made , I can't add/plate/drill it, so Sprit sails it is.

Hi Shaggy

Are there any Pogo's that you know of that have the mast ring and do they perform as well speed wise as when an Assy is used

Regards Don