bene313 said...
Consider the popular surf spots of the world...

If you consistently (or even just a couple of times) snake or drop in at places like J Bay, Kuta, Kirra, Sunset, etc, expect the locals to get punchy.

Not advocating violence but maybe kiting in WA just needs a healthy dose of localism.

For sure!!! I know violence should always be the last resort but where do you draw the line, I don't even kite there anymore and I have lived 4mins away from there for the last 10 yrs!!! When ever you pull someone up on something they pull the old "sorry don't speak English card" and then 3mins later you hear them talking fluent English to some chick on the beach that they are trying to pull??? It's getting to the point where my English speaking fists are going to start speaking the international language of violence. Sorry if this is un-Australian but you have the option to red thumb me, go for it!

puppetonastring said...

sir ROWDY said...
People that think short tacking, or cutting in doesn't matter are total kooks.
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Not only do they constantly short tack everyone, but they follow stupidly close behind others, effectively blocking them from doing a trick when they aren't even in-front... the point is, this behaviour is stupid, inconsiderate and dangerous to other riders. I have no tolerance for this.

Totally agree with sir ROWDY here.
WA has 2 x metro beaches for flat water antics. Its difficult enough to convince those who dont NEED flat water for advanced freestyle stuff to stay away - but - when the freestylers themselves break the rules its way beyond anything near acceptable.
How can you expect regular kiters to be reasonable and head to anyone of 100's of spots that are just as good for their all-rounder sessions if those that shpould be there cant do the right thing.

Kiters need constant reminding that the only reason we have "the Pond" available to us at all is because WAKSA (with huge cooperation of Windsurfing WA) convinced the council & all other interested parties that this site was 'hallowed ground' and would only be used by advanced kiters who would accept & follow the 'tribal laws'.
This includes - no teaching - no beginners - no freeriders and no freestylers who werent prepared to walk to the beach before rigging up & keep the peace once they had.

Without locals & genuine users 1) doing the right thing & 2) self regulating all other visitors YOU WILL LOSE 'the Pond'.

This didn't stop some tool from teaching in the pond today. When approached by a regular who very politely suggested not to teach here and go out onto the sandbar, pointed out the obvious dangers, the guy teaching some chick said "why don't you let me worry about that, she's getting in some runs on the flat before the crowds get here"....

Teaching in amongst probably 10-15 windsurfers and 15+ kiters in the pond. I think the crowds were already there, buddy!

If you're reading this, we all saw you, you are a ****ing idiot. You mentioned you were here ten years ago when some dude died.... well in that case you of all people should be the one setting the example.

Working in Safety Bay every single day has made me realise how stupid the majority of people are. At what point does localism kick in like in surfing and people start to take matters into their own hands with the d!ckheads who think they're above the "law".
The pond is there for everyone to enjoy. The way things are going, if we are still allowed to enjoy it in a couple of years I will be highly surprised.

^^^^^^^ so true! It happens every day. Remember the guy that cut that guys lines about 3 yrs ago, where has he gone??? We need him back! Oh, that's right, he left, like 97% of the other locals because they were over all the bullship! And didn't want to turn a "fun" kite session into an agro fight fest!!! But when I think about it, maybe the locals are to blame for not actually physically putting to an end. In the past I have felt like buying an old pig of a kite and just plowing straight through the "short trackers" unhooking, and walking away[}:)], but the idea of an innocent kiter/by stander getting caught up in that mess has prevented me.

It's Straya day ****s! Get Kiteboy down dere knocking all the short tackers out!

i really hope its not going to happen like the enclosed video
from caught inside, bull takes action

sci said...
Well it seems like our Short Tacking friend is now famous at the Pond. Everyone knows who he is and there have been new tactics discussed. For example every time he short tacks, crashes and loses his board. A helping hand escorts his board to the other side of the pond!

Nice Sci.........
Another easy tactic for short tackers is to come up to his board, stop, and undo all the velcro on his straps. If you want to be a total smartass then you drop it off next to him. Make sure you . Repeat...bigger .
If you have a crew, everyone who comes in behind him carve next to him and give him a shower. Big .

Tailgaters... Slow down, as he changes to a broad reach to get by you go down wind as well, slow down, at least the rider behind him gets a go. The only way some guys work it out is to be inconvenienced themselves, over and over again.

Mind f#<%ing is a great tool for ignorance and arrogance.

the infamous short tack, practiced by a few that have zero manners or respect for anyone. anyone who does not get it has obviously never been on the receiving end of a short tack, cut off or tail gater.
this tactic usually effects a whole bunch of riders not just the next rider in line ending in a stack up in the circuit and traffic jam for a short period :(

maybe bringing back the biff is the only answer after a quiet word does not get the rider back to respecting the spot and other riders.

i was trying to spot out who this guy is on Monday but the whole bloody pond was a riot and everyone was just tacking around doing what ever they wanted. short tacks, turning around without looking, turning before you and sneaking in then riding super slow so you can't do anything etc. That spot is not fun anymore at all.

Cheers Number.
In which case then suggestions are needed for a way forward as there is no point in letting a few ruin it for all.
Thoughts?

perthfun7 said...
Cheers Number.
In which case then suggestions are needed for a way forward as there is no point in letting a few ruin it for all.
Thoughts?

Taking a photo of offender and displaying it on some Notice board near the beach?

Like "You've been tagged" :)

sci said...
G O L D and why not. If you are going to behave in an anti social manner that is dangerous to others then you deserve to be outed!

Exactly!


In KL and Singapore (?) you can see a pocket pickers photos on the stations publicly displayed.

This is the public forum but not really accessible to everyone.

Charl dv said...
i was trying to spot out who this guy is on Monday but the whole bloody pond was a riot and everyone was just tacking around doing what ever they wanted. short tacks, turning around without looking, turning before you and sneaking in then riding super slow so you can't do anything etc. That spot is not fun anymore at all.

Monday (public holiday) was super busy so no wonder..

Anyways, if I have the correct couple... theres one short one, one tall one.. bit like dumb and dumber

Imagine if 2 french surfers spent all summer dropping in on locals at trigg point????? that's right, it wouldn't happen all summer, they'd be punched out after the second drop in.
You blokes need to grow some balls and sort it out. Not sure if you realise, but these french blokes aren't on Seabreeze, and wouldn't care if they were.
They are getting away with it because you blokes are letting them, you blokes need to manage your local spot, there need to be some rules that are enforced in a way these fellas will understand.
For F sake, taking their photo and pin it up??? what kind of solution is that, are you serious!

what you blokes also don't realise yet, is that these french blokes will go home at the end of the season and tell their mates how they raped your local spot and you guys did F all about it and they pretty much did what they liked.

Next season, 8 more french short-tackers, the following season 30 more will show up. why wouldn't they all come? wind every day, butter smooth water and a bunch of pussies tip toeing around them. watch it happen.

marno said...
what you blokes also don't realise yet, is that these french blokes will go home at the end of the season and tell their mates how they raped your local spot and you guys did F all about it and they pretty much did what they liked.

Next season, 8 more french short-tackers, the following season 30 more will show up. why wouldn't they all come? wind every day, butter smooth water and a bunch of pussies tip toeing around them. watch it happen.

Mate, this sounds like bogans on Bali.

Thumb me if you like, but just think what you said here.