NNNBrewery is right on the money. It would be interesting to see Mark's sync speed, SNR, Attenuation, etc specs if he logs onto his modem.

As NNNBrewery also said should have been FTTP everywhere, for the indefinite future, but for the short term FTTN still performs well if everything is in order. (Stupid Government!)

My friend is between 400-500m from the Node in way out part of town and still get a max sync rate of 118Mbps, but chooses the 50Mbps plan.


Guess that why it's called the "Node Lottery", but I believe most people are getting great speeds, so they never need to whinge about it online. Pity FTTN will never be able to reach 1Gbps like FTTP.

I think eventually a future government will just run fibre to everyone on a case to case basis (with a subsidised cost to the property owner.)

Even with 100Mbps, the internet doesn't really change vs the 12Mbps I was on before.

Uploads are fantastic now though. If you need to download 50GB (Steam) it's lightning. Torrenting would be awesome, but that is deemed ILLEGAL and you will GO TO JAIL!!!!! Netflix is the same(but can watch in 4k at 10GB an hour now) , Youtube is the same, everything loads a bit quicker. Distance to the server and Ping is really more important for noticeable speed.

Relevant. I'm happy with FTTN for now, but f**k having the node on your nice front lawn.

thewest.com.au/news/wa/perth-family-angry-over-ugly-nbn-node-outside-their-home-ng-b88628809z

Windpasser said..
Relevant. I'm happy with FTTN for now, but f**k having the node on your nice front lawn.

thewest.com.au/news/wa/perth-family-angry-over-ugly-nbn-node-outside-their-home-ng-b88628809z

Likewise for power/light pole, bus stop/shelter, speed hump etc, all have a negative affect on your property's overall valuation.

She should try negotiate a deal accommodating the node inside her fenceline and charge an annual rental fee. Good luck with that, though does happen for some mobile and wind gen site's if they really need to acquire space on a private property.

You graph is wrong. August 2017

www.whistleout.com.au/Broadband/Guides/nbn-fttn-everything-you-need-to-know

NBN says customers connected to the National Broadband Network via FTTN will be able to achieve download speeds of 100Mbps provided they are within 400m of the node, and speeds of up 60Mbps if they're more than 700m from the cabinet.In an address given at the National Press Club this time last year, NBN CEO Bill Morrow said that he expects nine out of ten homes connected to the FTTN network to receive "lightning fast" speeds of between 50Mbps and 100Mbps.


From the gurus at Whirlpool years ago in 2015

"I am by no means an FTTN Fanboi , but I would disagree with this statement . Looking at the VDSL 2 Modem Stats thread , it appears most people are achieving or just below the 50/20 tier . a few examples -:700 Metres from Node - 56/12
650 Metres from Node - 52/13
596 Metres from Node - 50/14
400 Metres from Node - 96/35"

You are right in that the fault lies in the quality of the copper from the node to the property. 400M is fine for full 100Mbps

Awesome Spotty. FTTC is great. Almost as good a FTTP for much less.

For people that don't already have FTTN, be hopeful it goes to FTTC.

But FTTN isn't "THAT" bad now and can easily be upgraded in the future to FTTC or FTTP (with Govt Subsidies hopefully as everyone is becoming forced to be Internet reliant) by a future Government.

The fibre already goes to the node, in the future create a new fibre distribution point for each property/curb pit in the zone. Then knock them ugle nodes down. Everybody will be happy.

It's only your tax $$$ doing it 5 times over. Don't stress.

^^ yes pity FTTC did not evolve sooner.

The problem with a lot of old areas where the copper leed in has a very old narrow diameter conduit and is kinked, full of mud etc. This was found to become far more costly to replace to allow pulling thru a new fibre cable into the home. ...And thus would greatly effect the roll out time frame and overall cost.

Not to mention a lot of people don't wont their front yard, garden bed, driveway etc dug up interfered with etc.... even though there is some great underground boring/conduit pull-thru tech about, the cost and time to carry out would of been huge I imagine.

So with FTTC looks like G.Fast 1Gbps firstly possible and XG.Fast 8Gbps several years away...

www.nbnco.com.au/blog/the-nbn-project/nbn-delivers-8Gbps-over-copper-lines-onxg-fast-trial

The reason that we at nbn and so many of our fellow network operators are so excited about XG.FAST is that it enables us to think about delivering multi-gigabit speeds to end-users on the hundreds of millions of copper lines that are already deployed around the world.We all know that Fibre-to-the-Premises (FTTP) can deliver great speeds, but getting a fibre-optic line into each and every premises is extremely complicated and very expensive - but if we can run XG.FAST over the existing copper lines via an FTTC set-up then we can potentially save on both time and cost, not to mention convenience for the end-user.Running XG.FAST on an FTTC network would have us run new fibre to the telecom pit in the street outside the house and connect it to a Distribution Point Unit where it links with the existing copper line that runs the remaining short distance - typically under 30 metres - to the end-user premises.

NNNBrewery, Wow, I have actually never heard of the 2nd world either. Mind Blown. You are correct.

FTTC should be and WILL be the future in OZ. It will be up to you if you want to replace that 5 to even 200M copper from your pit-to-socket, for what could be minimal speed gain.

The NTD will be a waterproof soap sized object in your pit. Who know maybe that's where the Wifi will come from?

Actually I think the whole thing will be useless. It's almost exponential in it's futility.

The Wright brothers flew the first "successful" plane in 1903 and now we have 787 Dreamliners and A380s, F-35s, we "visited" the moon.

Massive Cruise "casino" ships, Bulk Carriers, Man made canals. Nuclear powered carrier "cities" all within a lifetime.
Sky high buildings reaching towards "God"?\

Records, magnetic tape, Analog, digital, Capacity. B&W, Flat CRT, Plasma, LCD, OLED, INTERNET!!!!

We think we know everything at the time. Let's Build a Network for the next 30 years. No, use it now, give it time and it will be all but useless in probably 10 years.

Wireless will kill it. New tech will kill it. Just need to do enough to keep up.

Right again nnnBrewery.

For now Fibre is the king. It will not be obsolete anytime soon. It is the backbone of the networks, and will probably always be. Wireless is complementary. For the user/customer it is the convenience of wireless that will be enough for most people. It's the plans and tower congestion that can suck right now. But still many people choose mobiles or mobile broadband. What about in 10 years? 20?

Article from 2015. 1 Terabit achieved.
qz.com/350887/this-is-the-fastest-wireless-network-in-the-world-but-you-cant-use-it-yet/
"This is the same capacity as fibre optics but we are doing it wirelessly,"
Even with 5G towers they will need fibre to connect between them.

My sister and her 2 children family use Optus 4G Mobile BB between the 2 places they reside due to work. 1 plan 100GB $70 a month with unmetered Netflix (The kids use 150GB unmetered a month just on Netflix). At one location they can't get fixed or or even Fixed wireless NBN (they tried very hard) but always have a 4G signal.

One little pebble 4G modem, High speed broadband everywhere from their car, to the yard, travelling, at a friends house, in a car park.

They have unplugged and will not go back to a fixed line. 4G has many limitations but it's real, now. NBN would not help them even after several property visits.

When the Wright Brothers flew their first successful plane the horse and cart was king, roads were no longer limiting but still necessary for slower, bulkier things.

Who knows where tech like Quantum Entanglement routers and Qubit Networks (as a rabid example) will take us in the upcoming years.

Anyway now I'm drunk and off topic.

NBN good, Alcohol Bad.

Well that's the difference between goods and services under the Trade Practices Act isn't it? For goods, quantity must be a threshold level, whereas services can be advertised on more qualitative measures because a threshold cannot always be guaranteed.

Imagine going to your barrister asking to win a court case blisteringly well and only winning adequately.

My experience with nbn is really bad.
The house I'm in now can't get any type of internet because telstra hasn't upgraded the exchange because the nbn is coming at the start of 2017. No wait March 2017. No wait Sept 2017. No wait Jan 2018. No wait ?????.
Years of waiting for a service that is not going to be any better than adsl.
The rental property I own when the tenants move out the the new tenants will most likely be forced to use nbn satalite which is worse than the adsl that's originally there.
Could be worse a guy I work with can't get any internet and is not slated to get nbn until late 2018.

wow happy for you
our nbn is completely ****ing useless
telstra crap i can't even be fuct writing about
we love telstra
so helpful
i can nearly understand them

Relax, life is worth living again

www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/fears-for-nbn-as-mobile-internet-provides-faster-speeds-and-more-reliable-service/news-story/dbe8cb9d842d280cf0cf77a12a851ba0

What NBN connection??

There is a green box around the corner which has the NBN stamp on it. From there to my place it is old, old copper wire.

That is like reducing a 30 inch water pipe down to a 1 inch pipe and expecting the higher delivery rate.

No wonder so many people are dissatisfied.